I haven't posted in this thread for quite a while, even though I have stayed active at locals and such carrying the cruel banner. With the release of Modern Horizons I have started brainstorming like crazy and I'd like to share my final prototype decklist for feedback.
I got a lot of 1 CMC spell to be replayable with Kess/Snap, and Kess/Snap replayable with kolaganC/Cruel Ult
I love to test Lightning Skelemental, he synergize with the discard cards/plan, he hit quite strong, and can be unearth with kolaganC/Cruel Ult(many times with snap/kess) but can he realy find a slot here ?
Narset to fight controls match up and synergize with discard and u get instant value if she hit the board
Maybe i lack of PW removal? Should i add an extra field of ruin ?
I wouldn't bother with Skelemental. You don't need the body, and unless you're doing actual Unearth shenanigans, I don't think it's worth it. I'd actually cut the third Narset as well. I haven't had a ton of success with her, but two is a good number. I'm thinking maybe add an Inquisition of Kozilek and the 4th Opt over those two, to lean a little more into Kess.
Hi thanks for the reply, i think u are right, but now how i handle Planeswalkers ? should i ignore em main deck and sideboard against ?
Maybe cut a bolt for a dreadbore, angrath's rampage or The elderspell ?
Or discards/bolt is enough ?(maybe add a bolt instead of cut one but what should i cut to in this case?)
I play Dreadbore for planes walkers, and have played Hero’s Downfall in the past. I think they are the better choices than Rampage (I tested it, not impressed) or Elderspell, as they hit creatures if the opponent doesn’t have planeswalkers. I’ve found bolt plus snapcasters works in a pinch, but sometimes it’s not reliable, so a removal spell that hits ‘walkers is always good, but I found you don’t need to load too much on them, especially with snapcasters and kess
Honestly it's good, actually I have a hard time changing things now, only the sideboard moves, the rest just feel mandatory...
I recently increased Kalitas to 3 for the burn matchup which works great... I want to add some more card draw because sometime I feel a bit tight on cards before I cast ultimatum... But I've looked and I don't see anything really good that doesn't require a lot of setup...
Maybe Archmage's Charm but UUU feels a bit hard to get on turn 3 tbh... And removing those singleton blood crypt/mountain/swamp isn't an option as they really increase the manabase's consistency and resilience to land hate.
And speacking about Cruel Ultimatum, it is great of course, but not if you draw it before turn 7, then it's just a dead card who could be a counter/removal, problem is I didn't find anything really good to replace it >_>
That's fine ! Personnaly I don't require the deck to have Cruel Ultimatum itself, I'm even thinking about switching it if I find something better to take that role (which hasn't happened yet, I really hope they print a UR or UB version of Sphinx's Revelation :p)
Looks much more midrange, with that amount of creatures. Makes Kommand much more relevant, I ctually switched out mine because with only 4 snapcaster they often hit nothing.
Also I don’t know if I’m the only one that’s noticed but within the last two weeks most all copies of Cruel Ultimatum FTV have disappeared from the market.
As of today I think there are only 68copies on TCGplayer and a few copies floating around on other platforms.
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I haven't posted in this thread for quite a while, even though I have stayed active at locals and such carrying the cruel banner. With the release of Modern Horizons I have started brainstorming like crazy and I'd like to share my final prototype decklist for feedback.
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Kess, Dissident Mage
1 Torrential Gearhulk
Instants - 20
1 Archmage's Charm
4 Cryptic Command
2 Opt
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Spell Snare
1 Fact or Fiction
2 Kolaghan's Command
3 Fatal Push
2 Terminate
1 Logic Knot
1 Prohibit
Artifact - 1
1 Engineered Explosives
Planeswalkers - 4
2 Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God
1 Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Dreadbore
1 Echo of Eons
1 Cruel Ultimatum
Enchantments - 1
1 Search for Azcanta
Lands - 25
2 Watery Grave
2 Steam Vents
1 Blood Crypt
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Field of Ruin
2 Drowned Catacomb
3 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Island
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Force of Negation
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Collective Brutality
2 Fulminator Mage
2 Dispel
1 To the Slaughter
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Counterflux
I am testing a bunch of stuff here, so any thoughts/suggessions/discussion in general is welcome. Thanks for reading
I'am thinking about that(sideboard later:p) :
3 Narset, Parter of Veils
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Kess, Dissident Mage
1 Lightning Skelemental
[Instant and Sorcery]
2 Terminate
2 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Cryptic Command
3 Thoughtseize
3 Lightning Bolt
2 Fatal Push
2 Fact or Fiction
2 Logic Knot
3 Opt
1 Field of Ruin
1 Swamp
2 Sulfur Falls
1 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
3 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Steam Vents
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Search for Azcanta
I got a lot of 1 CMC spell to be replayable with Kess/Snap, and Kess/Snap replayable with kolaganC/Cruel Ult
I love to test Lightning Skelemental, he synergize with the discard cards/plan, he hit quite strong, and can be unearth with kolaganC/Cruel Ult(many times with snap/kess) but can he realy find a slot here ?
Narset to fight controls match up and synergize with discard and u get instant value if she hit the board
Maybe i lack of PW removal? Should i add an extra field of ruin ?
Thx for helping me and excuse my bad english.
Maybe cut a bolt for a dreadbore, angrath's rampage or The elderspell ?
Or discards/bolt is enough ?(maybe add a bolt instead of cut one but what should i cut to in this case?)
2 Narset, Parter of Veils
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Kess, Dissident Mage
[Instant and Sorcery]
2 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Kolaghan's Command
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Opt
2 Terminate
2 Fatal Push
4 Cryptic Command
2 Logic Knot
2 Fact or Fiction
1 Field of Ruin
1 Swamp
2 Sulfur Falls
1 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
3 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Steam Vents
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Search for Azcanta
But I know someone who might still be in (the creator, actually), I'll tell him to pass by and drop a link.
EDIT: He brought it down since it was so inactive. But feel free to make a new one
UB Yuriko, Ninja Tribal
UBR Nicol Bolas, Dragon Reanimator
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Modern
UBR Grixis Draw-Go
I don't know if there's still someone looking around this thread but I recently started playing my grixis draw-go again with this list:
4 Snapcaster Mage
Instants
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Fatal Push
2 Terminate
4 Cryptic Command
3 Logic Knot
2 Kolaghan's Command
3 Spell Snare
4 Opt
3 Anticipate
Sorceries
2 Cruel Ultimatum
2 Damnation
2 Steam Vents
2 Watery Grave
1 Blood Crypt
3 Island
1 Mountain
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Drowned Catacomb
2 Sulfur Falls
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Dispel
2 Force of Negation
1 Kolaghan's Command
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Crumble to Dust
3 Thoughtseize
Honestly it's good, actually I have a hard time changing things now, only the sideboard moves, the rest just feel mandatory...
I recently increased Kalitas to 3 for the burn matchup which works great... I want to add some more card draw because sometime I feel a bit tight on cards before I cast ultimatum... But I've looked and I don't see anything really good that doesn't require a lot of setup...
Maybe Archmage's Charm but UUU feels a bit hard to get on turn 3 tbh... And removing those singleton blood crypt/mountain/swamp isn't an option as they really increase the manabase's consistency and resilience to land hate.
And speacking about Cruel Ultimatum, it is great of course, but not if you draw it before turn 7, then it's just a dead card who could be a counter/removal, problem is I didn't find anything really good to replace it >_>
Are you guys still alive ?
UB Yuriko, Ninja Tribal
UBR Nicol Bolas, Dragon Reanimator
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Modern
UBR Grixis Draw-Go
Care to share your list ?
UB Yuriko, Ninja Tribal
UBR Nicol Bolas, Dragon Reanimator
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Modern
UBR Grixis Draw-Go
Surely doesn't have enough lands to fit Ultimatum
UB Yuriko, Ninja Tribal
UBR Nicol Bolas, Dragon Reanimator
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Modern
UBR Grixis Draw-Go
Also I don’t know if I’m the only one that’s noticed but within the last two weeks most all copies of Cruel Ultimatum FTV have disappeared from the market.
As of today I think there are only 68copies on TCGplayer and a few copies floating around on other platforms.