Right, I'm not a huge fan of either. Terminus is playable but only due to the miracle and exile effects. That doesn't help with walkers. Yep, purge, o ring, if you splash then detention sphere and maybe...maybe utter end.
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Utter end is essentially vindicate, but 1cc more and no land. So that's why maybe. As a sorcery there's no getting the permanent back, so better in that regard than o ring.
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Sure, there is a chance of spending $4 on a booster and getting the Mythic Rare $30 super card. There is also a chance of surviving putting your tongue in a light socket.
@leve89: I personally strongly dislike flagstones. Its a 2 card combo that performs the role of a fetch land. It also takes up 8 land slots. There aren't enough easily accessible plains to reliably trigger emeria (11 non-plains). If lacking marsh flats is the problem I'd suggest playing with standard white fetch lands instead. They only cannot find the basic swamp which sucks on turns where a marsh flats into orzhov charm'd Martyr would put you to 30 or 31 life. Most of the time I fetch for a shockland it enters tapped, so overall its not the biggest deal in the world.
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I was playing from a full computer lab so I am sorry that you can hear my friends and me talking to them occasionally. I was playing Dungeon Defenders 2 in between rounds, but Iannotated the video with links to when everything starts. There are also times in the description that link to the start of each round. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUy1HohlrP4&list=PLz7n-2vX2D7C3f4ODwgEVTy_Sr8Ty1RyM&index=1
I'm going to stream another daily in 15 minutes. If there's room in the computer lab. (Streaming from my room now instead)
Thanks to sgt_Kidder I know know how to make highlights on twitch, I've posted links to the cut videos in the primer. I hadded the first two rounds from last night, I'll be adding in the others soon. I need to take a break right now. I'll have them up by the time I go to sleep.
Depending on how the meta-game settles there are probably going to have to be some changes to the deck to keep it viable. Right now, I think a lot of people are going to play zoo because aggressive decks are always great at the start of a format, so we should be fine for a little while.
BGx is probably going to become good again, if the format shifts to a grindy one I might bring back athreos, and maybe up the sliver count. Blood moon might make a red splash good at beating all the non red decks that I think might become good. I'd be interested in trying out soulfire grandmaster in a Wr martyrProc deck mostly for the 2nd ability, but also to gain 6 off helix. I'll try to throw together a speculative decklist sometime soon.
If combo becomes huge moving castigates main deck might also be a good idea for the orzhov version. Twin coming back isn't that big of a deal (BO, 4th path could be good), but storm and ascendancy are still a thing. I'm not sure what the fate of scapeshift is, but I'm assuming its going to drop in playability, which sucks since that was the best combo matchup we have.
I'm happy with our UWR matchup so that isn't a big deal at all.
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Depending on how the meta-game settles there are probably going to have to be some changes to the deck to keep it viable. Right now, I think a lot of people are going to play zoo because aggressive decks are always great at the start of a format, so we should be fine for a little while.
BGx is probably going to become good again, if the format shifts to a grindy one I might bring back athreos, and maybe up the sliver count. Blood moon might make a red splash good at beating all the non red decks that I think might become good. I'd be interested in trying out soulfire grandmaster in a Wr martyrProc deck mostly for the 2nd ability, but also to gain 6 off helix. I'll try to throw together a speculative decklist sometime soon.
If combo becomes huge moving castigates main deck might also be a good idea for the orzhov version. Twin coming back isn't that big of a deal (BO, 4th path could be good), but storm and ascendancy are still a thing. I'm not sure what the fate of scapeshift is, but I'm assuming its going to drop in playability, which sucks since that was the best combo matchup we have.
I'm happy with our UWR matchup so that isn't a big deal at all.
TLDR: I don't know what the format is going to look like, but I got ideas to try for whatever happens!
I'm in general agreement with you that BG decks will again become the "deck to beat" going forward. Junk midrange was already good, and with bob being playable again, delver going back to a small portion of the meta, burn winding down, pod gone entirely, and siege rhino still here, I think it's hard to argue for anything else being obviously better... it might not turn out to be the top deck eventually, but there will be a huge shift to junk.
With that said, I realize junk is a poor matchup for this deck, with the #1 reason being Liliana and #2 being maindeck scavenging ooze. Not much to be done about ooze, but Liliana I think we can handle. I feel like our best answer is probably lingering souls main. It's a good speedbump against many decks, serves as a possible route to victory, and most importantly is good vs. Liliana. Probably running necrotic sliver mainboard and a singleton utter end is also a good choice. Then you can run a couple celestial purge in the board, and suddenly the BG matchup doesn't seem horrific.
One thing that I like about this deck is how little Grafdigger's Cage stops us.
Provided they can't put up enough of a clock, we can use Mistveil Plains + Squadron Hawk to shuffle back any creatures we lose into the library and just push through with Ranger of Eos for whatever. It's sweet.
Lingering Souls to fight Liliana seems sweet, but I'm not sure what we'd cut for them.
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One thing that I like about this deck is how little Grafdigger's Cage stops us.
Provided they can't put up enough of a clock, we can use Mistveil Plains + Squadron Hawk to shuffle back any creatures we lose into the library and just push through with Ranger of Eos for whatever. It's sweet.
Lingering Souls to fight Liliana seems sweet, but I'm not sure what we'd cut for them.
That is definitely the question. As a first guess I'd say:
- weathered wayfarer (it's a removal magnet, and opposing decks don't have much else worth wasting a removal spell on until you get ascendant online)
- shave a serra ascendant (I know that's probably sacrilege, but it's a late-game card vs. most decks and you can tutor it up with ranger and recur it unless it's pathed. Also, souls provides a plan B win-con, so losing ascendant to path is less painful).
That at least gets you 2 slots. With souls in the main, perhaps you can afford to shave either a wrath of god or a ghostly prison. I'd probably try taking out a prison before wrath, but I don't really know. That gives you 3 main and a 4th in the board. Regardless, prison seems bad vs. BG since it doesn't kill bob or ooze, and they'll abrupt decay it anyway.
Aether vial is potent. I catch myself often keeping one land hands of ghost quarter if it also has aether vial. Control isn't a problem, land destruction isn't too bad.
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Yeah uwr is basically slow burn with no cracks. Super easy matchup. They took out the interaction and the ability to "oops turn 3 win". Ajani ult slows you down, but at that point I'm usually at like 78 HP and just draw out of it.
The goal is to go way up in life with Martyr and stall with enchantments. After you get Enduring Ideal out with the help of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyxyou pick and chose what enchantments you need next. And the Forecast doesn't go against Enduring Ideal.
But i need some help, please. Is Felidar a good choice as a finisher? I tried Steel Hellkite too (i love this card), even Heliod (for token production). Can anyone tell me if or why these cards are good for the deck? White Sun Zenith as a win condition is valid? I have a Austere Command, should i cut a *** for one? And finally: i saw a monowhite control deck that uses a set of Inkmoth Nexus, what do you think about guys?
You have a lot of basic plains, I would cut a few and add 1-2 more emeria and flagstones.
Felidar and white sun are not good win conditions because they have very expensive mana costs. With felidar, you pay 6 mana and they can just kill it before your next upkeep. Because this is a control deck, you don't need that many win conditions, so just the serras should be fine.
Wrath of God is better than austere command.
I would need a decklist to form an opinion on the inkmoth nexus deck. If it is a martyr proc deck you should post it here so we can look at it.
Had the following idea for a Tallowisp Martyr Hybrid, with the aim that Geist of St. Traft would give it a pro-active game against Tron. Might need to cut down more on the Serra Ascendants/Ranger of Eos for more spirits. Gift if Immortality seemed like it could be good with Martyr/Kami of False Hope as another recursion engine.
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Land bases should be tailored to the deck. I find this article to be useful for making a land base.
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I was playing from a full computer lab so I am sorry that you can hear my friends and me talking to them occasionally. I was playing Dungeon Defenders 2 in between rounds, but Iannotated the video with links to when everything starts. There are also times in the description that link to the start of each round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUy1HohlrP4&list=PLz7n-2vX2D7C3f4ODwgEVTy_Sr8Ty1RyM&index=1
I'm going to stream another daily in 15 minutes. If there's room in the computer lab. (Streaming from my room now instead)
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BGx is probably going to become good again, if the format shifts to a grindy one I might bring back athreos, and maybe up the sliver count. Blood moon might make a red splash good at beating all the non red decks that I think might become good. I'd be interested in trying out soulfire grandmaster in a Wr martyrProc deck mostly for the 2nd ability, but also to gain 6 off helix. I'll try to throw together a speculative decklist sometime soon.
If combo becomes huge moving castigates main deck might also be a good idea for the orzhov version. Twin coming back isn't that big of a deal (BO, 4th path could be good), but storm and ascendancy are still a thing. I'm not sure what the fate of scapeshift is, but I'm assuming its going to drop in playability, which sucks since that was the best combo matchup we have.
I'm happy with our UWR matchup so that isn't a big deal at all.
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I'm in general agreement with you that BG decks will again become the "deck to beat" going forward. Junk midrange was already good, and with bob being playable again, delver going back to a small portion of the meta, burn winding down, pod gone entirely, and siege rhino still here, I think it's hard to argue for anything else being obviously better... it might not turn out to be the top deck eventually, but there will be a huge shift to junk.
With that said, I realize junk is a poor matchup for this deck, with the #1 reason being Liliana and #2 being maindeck scavenging ooze. Not much to be done about ooze, but Liliana I think we can handle. I feel like our best answer is probably lingering souls main. It's a good speedbump against many decks, serves as a possible route to victory, and most importantly is good vs. Liliana. Probably running necrotic sliver mainboard and a singleton utter end is also a good choice. Then you can run a couple celestial purge in the board, and suddenly the BG matchup doesn't seem horrific.
Provided they can't put up enough of a clock, we can use Mistveil Plains + Squadron Hawk to shuffle back any creatures we lose into the library and just push through with Ranger of Eos for whatever. It's sweet.
Lingering Souls to fight Liliana seems sweet, but I'm not sure what we'd cut for them.
That is definitely the question. As a first guess I'd say:
- weathered wayfarer (it's a removal magnet, and opposing decks don't have much else worth wasting a removal spell on until you get ascendant online)
- shave a serra ascendant (I know that's probably sacrilege, but it's a late-game card vs. most decks and you can tutor it up with ranger and recur it unless it's pathed. Also, souls provides a plan B win-con, so losing ascendant to path is less painful).
That at least gets you 2 slots. With souls in the main, perhaps you can afford to shave either a wrath of god or a ghostly prison. I'd probably try taking out a prison before wrath, but I don't really know. That gives you 3 main and a 4th in the board. Regardless, prison seems bad vs. BG since it doesn't kill bob or ooze, and they'll abrupt decay it anyway.
I don't think we need to worry about UWR very much.
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1 Dovescape
4 Ghostly Prison
1 Greater Auramancy
2 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Phyrexian Unlife
3 Porphyry Nodes
4 Runed Halo
3 Suppression Field
2 Emeria, The Sky Ruin
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Mistveil Plains
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
13 Plains
Sorcery
2 Enduring Ideal
2 Idyllic Tutor
2 Proclamation of Rebirth
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1 Chromanticore
1 Heliod, God of the Sun
4 Martyr of Sands
2 Aura of Silence
2 Endless Horizons
3 Nevermore
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
4 Wrath of God
The goal is to go way up in life with Martyr and stall with enchantments. After you get Enduring Ideal out with the help of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyxyou pick and chose what enchantments you need next. And the Forecast doesn't go against Enduring Ideal.
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Emeria, The Sky Ruin
1x Felidar Sovereign
4x Ghost Quarter
4x Ghostly Prison
1x Kami of False Hope
4x Martyr of Sands
1x Mistveil Plains
3x Path to Exile
4x Ranger of Eos
4x Serra Ascendant
4x Squadron Hawk
1x Weathered Wayfarer
1x White Sun's Zenith
4x Wrath of God
But i need some help, please. Is Felidar a good choice as a finisher? I tried Steel Hellkite too (i love this card), even Heliod (for token production). Can anyone tell me if or why these cards are good for the deck? White Sun Zenith as a win condition is valid? I have a Austere Command, should i cut a *** for one? And finally: i saw a monowhite control deck that uses a set of Inkmoth Nexus, what do you think about guys?
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Felidar and white sun are not good win conditions because they have very expensive mana costs. With felidar, you pay 6 mana and they can just kill it before your next upkeep. Because this is a control deck, you don't need that many win conditions, so just the serras should be fine.
Wrath of God is better than austere command.
I would need a decklist to form an opinion on the inkmoth nexus deck. If it is a martyr proc deck you should post it here so we can look at it.
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1 Arid Mesa
2 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
4 Flooded Strand
4 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Mistveil Plains
11 Plains
4 Martyr of Sands
2 Proclamation of Rebirth
3 Ranger of Eos
3 Serra Ascendant
Tallowisp+Spirits:
4 Drogskol Captain
4 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Kami of False Hope
4 Tallowisp
2 Angelic Destiny
1 Gift of Immortality
1 Prison Term
1 Steel of the Godhead
1 Temporal Isolation
Other:
4 Path to Exile
Extra more controlling Ideas are Windborn Muse and Hokori, Dust Drinker.
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