Quote from thnkr »I can see your arguments for things like Teeg, Padeem, and Magus in that they can't be grabbed via Stirrings and that there are artifacts that can do the same things.
The way I see it, though, is that they diversify our answers. One of the problems here as of late for us is that our cards are kind of linear - They're pretty much all non-creature artifacts. Thus, Kolaghan's Command, Ceremonious Rejection, Stubborn Denial, etc., are great against us. What these creatures do is supplement our artifact suite, but are harder to answer because it forces the opponent to also diversify their answers to our answers.
Again, I'm not going to say with absolute certainty that it's correct, but it seems to be at least worth discussing, if not testing. I just got done testing vs. Grixis Shadow tonight at the LGS (except they ran Kolaghan's Commands) and it was miserable That was before Magus, though. If I'd drawn a Magus instead of either of the Bridges I drew, I would have won, hands down.
Quote from guntius »I think he made a smart move by using non-artifact cards, the hate out there is really bad and having some answers that aren't shut down by stony or bounced with hurkyl is smart. All of those cards he chose were effective in one form or another, I think having a few non-artifacts that cost more than one cmc is something to look into.
Just my opinion,I'm still using baubles though so I might be behind the times.lol
Quote from kanister »I only listed things that were most relevant and obvious for me after giving it a moment of consideration. When I look at this list of cards, Gaddock seems slightly innefficient/suboptimal against decks/cards you listed. It stops Company&Cord, but so does cage for 1 instead of GW. It stops Storm's cards, but again, Cage does most of those things, doesn't die to Grapeshot. Against Tron, it's much worse than a Needle - it doesn't stop O-Stone, Ulamog, World Breaker, and things already in play, and Ugin gets boarded out around half the time. Against Scapeshift/Ttb decks it doesn't actually do anything because Valakut kills it. Against UW/UWR Control decks, it will die to some removal spell they left in their deck because they just don't have enough sideboard cards. Against Chalice, it has to come preemptively, and it usually won't because again, GW. Against EE, worse than Needle. Against artifact sweepers, it stops them, but it's not much different agaisnt those than Thoughtseize. It's pretty good against Ad Nauseam, but it's a very good matchup.
Just can't see any particular reason to run this guy. @The_Shady_Prophet, do you already run 4 Needles? If so, I would suggest running Phyrexian Revoker instead, as your mono-anti-tron card.
I don't really think you have to test that much to see if a card is good if you just imagine how will it play out in reality. Gaddock is not that hard to grasp because it will play like a preemptive needle being able to hit diferent, narrow set of cards.
Quote from Skitzafreak »With all this talk of running cards that can't be hit off of Ancient Stirrings it makes me wish Sensei's Divining Top were legal. Man could you imagine how much better our deck would be with Top?
Quote from Barachai »Quote from Skitzafreak »With all this talk of running cards that can't be hit off of Ancient Stirrings it makes me wish Sensei's Divining Top were legal. Man could you imagine how much better our deck would be with Top?
You mean every deck running a one-mana card that turns off our lock? Sweet, crack out those pithing needles.
Quote from Spkilla »Can any1 list what is a must have in the side in general, or a what a standard sideboard should have + or - some spiciness. literally just bought most of the cards minus the sideboard, almost foiled out and i havent even played the deck b4 in paper. aside from a few games against a bot.