People have posted some thoughts. You can watch those Lepore vids for a great example of how EE works.
In short, EE is faster and more consistent but also much more vulnerable to interaction and worse at putting a secondary gameplan to work. The card disadvantage is a serious issue.
My general opinion is that 1-3 EE's as sideboard slots to facilitate more consistent T3 hatebears or T3 kills vs. combo and big mana is a reasonable approach, but I don't think the card is mainboard quality in this deck.
I run 4 Chord 4 Coco 1 Evo. Evo is great, but you generally don't want to draw more than 1 and they are also bad against counters/attrition. So for that reason 1 is fine - I view it as the 5th Chord. I often side it out against Jund or control for example.
If you are running 4 Finks (which you should be) then they make great Evo fodder.
I've been playing the deck the past few FNMs and so far I'm 10-2. I run both druid/vizier, and finks with 1 Anafenza and 2 Seer. Walking Ballista, infinite bolster, or infinite life is the kill.
Still tweaking my Naya Company list, but it does seem win-more in the sense that the success of the deck hinges on comboing out via Devoted Druid.
On another note though, I'm liking multiple Flickerwisp as a more versatile, storm-like win-con once Druid+Vizier is active and you have Company or Chord available (I noticed this when, during goldfishing, I cast the same Collected Company five times on turn 3 with the sixth time possible at the end of the turn off of singleton Flickerwisp). In fact, I'd say my build could use 2 or 3 along with Mirror Entity to make the army both tall and wide; thoughts?
Hi guys, what cards do you least want to see across the table?
Now that the combo is less reliant on the gy - cards like RIP aren't as effective - perhaps Cage is still quite good but again not as effective as it once was..
Be faster. That's my philosophy playing naya. If you just have it turn 3 more often it will raise your mwp and force sb hate to be in openers.
Also playing more sideboard hate hate like flickerwisp and pridemage is as always a reasonable approach.
The nice thing about newer builds is the inevitable and fast nature of the combo which enables you to play more like a combo deck in response to hate cards.
In short my opinion thus far is that the response of trying to improve the fair game in response to hate may be bad now. Better to hate the hate than sidestep it by changing gsmeplans.
I'm finding weird results with my typical coco deck strategy of boarding down on chords to be worse than I expected. Games where I drew a nahiri or a removal spell instead of a chord would as often have been won by the chord as have it be too slow.
I'm thinking now that I just want to draw a pridemage in most post board matchups and not try to play fair magic.
The biggest fall I've always had with this deck has been the mirror match I just can't get it down any tips people can give would be appreciated and how to approach side boarding now that the deck has changed. Should we take a minimalistic sideboard approach in matchups now.
So I have certainly seen the MTGO players adjust to this deck. I'm wondering if after it's performance this weekend if it's going to have a huge target on it's back for next weekend in Baltimore.
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
The biggest fall I've always had with this deck has been the mirror match I just can't get it down any tips people can give would be appreciated and how to approach side boarding now that the deck has changed. Should we take a minimalistic sideboard approach in matchups now.
Linvala. I had a Phyrexian Revoker SB, but not sure it's going to earn it's stay, would be pretty darned good here against a mirror with very little removal. And Anafenza, the Foremost, Living End a real thing now.
So I have certainly seen the MTGO players adjust to this deck. I'm wondering if after it's performance this weekend if it's going to have a huge target on it's back for next weekend in Baltimore.
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
I was planning to take this deck to GP the coming weekend. But after all the hate online I will instead be playing a deck that beats it easily (Titan Shift).
I'm definitely considering an audible over to another deck. But this is what I've got the most reps on lately; but the hate will be real.
This past weekend:
SCG Team event: 2nd place
SCG Classic: 1st place
Harerua Event: 1st place
People will be targeting this deck.
(fwiw; I've found Titanshift a coinflip in matches online; it's just who goes off fastest)
Having Chords in matchups where people will bring in hate is a huge liability. I think boarding down is almost always correct except against decks that lack hate/interaction.
This is the philosophy I've followed but at this point I find myself wondering if it's worth just playing more pridemages and racing to chord for one if I can and hoping I draw one.
Right now the only hate cards I am particularly worried about are cage and permanent graveyard wipes and linvala. And they don't always draw it.
What I find is boarding down on chords makes it so hard to combo game 2-3 I wonder if I'd be better off just bringing in a few pridemages and risking it. So I'm gonna try that I think.
So I have certainly seen the MTGO players adjust to this deck. I'm wondering if after it's performance this weekend if it's going to have a huge target on it's back for next weekend in Baltimore.
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
I was planning to take this deck to GP the coming weekend. But after all the hate online I will instead be playing a deck that beats it easily (Titan Shift).
I'm definitely considering an audible over to another deck. But this is what I've got the most reps on lately; but the hate will be real.
This past weekend:
SCG Team event: 2nd place
SCG Classic: 1st place
Harerua Event: 1st place
People will be targeting this deck.
(fwiw; I've found Titanshift a coinflip in matches online; it's just who goes off fastest)
Yup, I'm really sad about this; It's great to be on a deck that you've discovered is awesome, but when everyone else discovers it too it faces a ton of hate or gets banned if it can consistently beat the hate. I've been playing the GWbr version for a bit, played about 10 matches, and it seems really, really good. The only 2 loses I've had are to the (Abzan) mirror. One thing I've noticed is that Wolf Run gets less reliable when you're down to 1, even if you have KotR, because I especially want it vs. really slow decks that try to control the board, which are also the decks that generally can kill KotR. Will need to adjust the sb to account for more mirrors and for additional hate. :-(
I'm not worried about hate at all there is only so much side board space. If Living End is making a push as a tiered deck people wont pack grafdiggers they will pack relic or RIP and that's not to terrible to play around/expect. a turn 1 grafdiggers seems the worst thing that can happen to this deck so even packing a couple natures claims in the SB if it gets really bad is viable. My personal opinion is you set aside a few sideboard slots for hate and bring them in if its expected but in all reality you ignore it and keep doing your thing.
So I have certainly seen the MTGO players adjust to this deck. I'm wondering if after it's performance this weekend if it's going to have a huge target on it's back for next weekend in Baltimore.
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
I was planning to take this deck to GP the coming weekend. But after all the hate online I will instead be playing a deck that beats it easily (Titan Shift).
I'm definitely considering an audible over to another deck. But this is what I've got the most reps on lately; but the hate will be real.
This past weekend:
SCG Team event: 2nd place
SCG Classic: 1st place
Harerua Event: 1st place
People will be targeting this deck.
(fwiw; I've found Titanshift a coinflip in matches online; it's just who goes off fastest)
Yup, I'm really sad about this; It's great to be on a deck that you've discovered is awesome, but when everyone else discovers it too it faces a ton of hate or gets banned if it can consistently beat the hate. I've been playing the GWbr version for a bit, played about 10 matches, and it seems really, really good. The only 2 loses I've had are to the (Abzan) mirror. One thing I've noticed is that Wolf Run gets less reliable when you're down to 1, even if you have KotR, because I especially want it vs. really slow decks that try to control the board, which are also the decks that generally can kill KotR. Will need to adjust the sb to account for more mirrors and for additional hate. :-(
I'm definitely keeping Linvala and Harsh Mentor in the sideboard; thats for sure.
I've moved off the Knight/Kessig gameplan. As good as they are it's proven to be too slow in situations where it's nice. Every once in a while it would win the game; but not enough to give up the slots. I've added a second Renegade Rallier in the Knight spot and been pretty pleased.
Ultimately the deck is versatile enough to play through just about any hate. In addition, this deck was good before vizier-druid so even if they ban the combo we'll still be fine.
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Does anyone know any content produced that discusses abstract sideboarding strategy? Like, when do you try to board into a midrange deck, and when do you try to keep streamlined post-board? Just picked up the deck and it's been a blast, but I've been having trouble making sideboard decisions and usually end up shaving combo pieces for sideboard cards.
So I have certainly seen the MTGO players adjust to this deck. I'm wondering if after it's performance this weekend if it's going to have a huge target on it's back for next weekend in Baltimore.
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
I was planning to take this deck to GP the coming weekend. But after all the hate online I will instead be playing a deck that beats it easily (Titan Shift).
What hate are you seeing online - what is the most backbreaking for you?
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In short, EE is faster and more consistent but also much more vulnerable to interaction and worse at putting a secondary gameplan to work. The card disadvantage is a serious issue.
My general opinion is that 1-3 EE's as sideboard slots to facilitate more consistent T3 hatebears or T3 kills vs. combo and big mana is a reasonable approach, but I don't think the card is mainboard quality in this deck.
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
If you are running 4 Finks (which you should be) then they make great Evo fodder.
I've been playing the deck the past few FNMs and so far I'm 10-2. I run both druid/vizier, and finks with 1 Anafenza and 2 Seer. Walking Ballista, infinite bolster, or infinite life is the kill.
On another note though, I'm liking multiple Flickerwisp as a more versatile, storm-like win-con once Druid+Vizier is active and you have Company or Chord available (I noticed this when, during goldfishing, I cast the same Collected Company five times on turn 3 with the sixth time possible at the end of the turn off of singleton Flickerwisp). In fact, I'd say my build could use 2 or 3 along with Mirror Entity to make the army both tall and wide; thoughts?
3x Birds of Paradise
4x Chord of Calling
4x Collected Company
4x Devoted Druid
2x Eldritch Evolution
4x Eternal Witness
3x Flickerwisp
2x Forest
2x Kessig Wolf Run
1x Mountain
4x Noble Hierarch
2x Plains
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Rhonas the Indomitable
1x Sacred Foundry
2x Selfless Spirit
1x Spellskite
1x Stomping Ground
3x Temple Garden
4x Vizier of Remedies
4x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
1x Woodland Bellower
Note: Bellower is more or less just a manasink at this point that can double as an insurance policy should the game drag on.
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Now that the combo is less reliant on the gy - cards like RIP aren't as effective - perhaps Cage is still quite good but again not as effective as it once was..
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Pithing Needle hurts if dropped early.
Harsh mentor can be bad, but we can always chord for Fiend Hunter in a pinch.
Also playing more sideboard hate hate like flickerwisp and pridemage is as always a reasonable approach.
The nice thing about newer builds is the inevitable and fast nature of the combo which enables you to play more like a combo deck in response to hate cards.
In short my opinion thus far is that the response of trying to improve the fair game in response to hate may be bad now. Better to hate the hate than sidestep it by changing gsmeplans.
I'm finding weird results with my typical coco deck strategy of boarding down on chords to be worse than I expected. Games where I drew a nahiri or a removal spell instead of a chord would as often have been won by the chord as have it be too slow.
I'm thinking now that I just want to draw a pridemage in most post board matchups and not try to play fair magic.
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
1 Godless Shrine
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Forest
2 Temple Garden
3 Gavony Township
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Razorverge Thicket
4 Chord of Calling
4 Collected Company
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Devoted Druid
2 Duskwatch Recruiter / Krallenhorde Howler
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Viscera Seer
3 Vizier of Remedies
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Eternal Witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Anafenza the Foremost
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Reclamation Sage
1 qasali pridemage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 Path to Exile
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Stony Silence
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Pharika, God of Affliction
1 Surgical Extraction
I expect a wide range of tier 1 and tier 2 decks.
What are the must-haves for the sideboard? Any other advise?
Thoughts? I feel like I've got this deck forever inside and out, but I'm not sure if I'm expecting inordinate amount of hate now
Linvala. I had a Phyrexian Revoker SB, but not sure it's going to earn it's stay, would be pretty darned good here against a mirror with very little removal. And Anafenza, the Foremost, Living End a real thing now.
I'm definitely considering an audible over to another deck. But this is what I've got the most reps on lately; but the hate will be real.
This past weekend:
SCG Team event: 2nd place
SCG Classic: 1st place
Harerua Event: 1st place
People will be targeting this deck.
(fwiw; I've found Titanshift a coinflip in matches online; it's just who goes off fastest)
This is the philosophy I've followed but at this point I find myself wondering if it's worth just playing more pridemages and racing to chord for one if I can and hoping I draw one.
Right now the only hate cards I am particularly worried about are cage and permanent graveyard wipes and linvala. And they don't always draw it.
What I find is boarding down on chords makes it so hard to combo game 2-3 I wonder if I'd be better off just bringing in a few pridemages and risking it. So I'm gonna try that I think.
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
Yup, I'm really sad about this; It's great to be on a deck that you've discovered is awesome, but when everyone else discovers it too it faces a ton of hate or gets banned if it can consistently beat the hate. I've been playing the GWbr version for a bit, played about 10 matches, and it seems really, really good. The only 2 loses I've had are to the (Abzan) mirror. One thing I've noticed is that Wolf Run gets less reliable when you're down to 1, even if you have KotR, because I especially want it vs. really slow decks that try to control the board, which are also the decks that generally can kill KotR. Will need to adjust the sb to account for more mirrors and for additional hate. :-(
I'm definitely keeping Linvala and Harsh Mentor in the sideboard; thats for sure.
I've moved off the Knight/Kessig gameplan. As good as they are it's proven to be too slow in situations where it's nice. Every once in a while it would win the game; but not enough to give up the slots. I've added a second Renegade Rallier in the Knight spot and been pretty pleased.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 19 years later.
Happy is the man who has broken the chains that hurt the mind and given up worrying once and for all. Be patient and tough. One day this pain will be useful to you.
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What hate are you seeing online - what is the most backbreaking for you?
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UW Control
U Merfolk
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