Now we need to pack much early artifact hate in at the very least our sideboard.....
What do we have at our disposal?
There are some really good artifact hate cards...off the top of my head, the most used tend to be:
Ancient Grudge
Abrade
Natural Claim
Seal of Primordium
Reclamation Sage
there are a lot of other options too...they also have a new one in Dominaria for 1G that destroys an artifact or enchantment and then you put a land card from your hand into play.
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The GGG 5/4 Elf may make Stompy Devotion a truly powerful option now...Bloodbraid into this could be fun.
Steel Leaf Champion is the card I was talking about:
GGG
5/4
Elf Knight
SLC can’t be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
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I have been comfortable running 7 fetches on average (it can change a little depending on how many colors are splashed, if the deck plays any other “utility” lands, if I’m playing Tireless Tracker or Nissa VF etc....but if you are only splashing one additional color and don’t take advantage of land fall I honestly think you would be fine with only 5-6 (especially if running Utopia Sprawl and Birds).
Yet again a strong 3 Drop ?! Really tough choices
With Ghalta & Surrak in Mind: Power Matters Devotion Deck incoming. .
Did the new redirect planeswalker rule our Walker-Devotions decks even better or worse?
Kamahl's Druidic Vow XGG
Legendary Sorcery
(You may cast a legendary sorcery only if you control a legendary creature or planeswalker.)
Look at the top X cards of your library. You may put any number of land and/or legendary
permanent cards with converted mana cost X or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put
the rest into your graveyard.
Uhh...a new Genesis Wave Card - One less G, but needed a legend creature/planeswalker
Sylvan Awakening 2G
Sorcery
Until your next turn, all lands you control become 2/2 Elemental creatures with reach,
indestructible, and haste. They're still lands.
....With Garruk -4 Final , Or Nissa,voZ -2 Abilities , maybe still a new Finisher. Or a Combo with an another card, that destory all Lands
Damping Sphere
2
Artifact
If a land is tapped for two or more mana, it produces C instead of any other type and amount.
Each spell a player casts costs 1 more to cast for each other spell that player has cast this turn.
A good hate card against Tron AND Storm.....and us (Nytkhos) . Utopia Sprawl is still working.
After seeing the spoilers, aim pretty disappointed with the green options so far. The best card is the 5/4 elf, and even then it's not super amazing.
Damping Sphere is so good versus us though No nykthos and no chaining together multiple spells a turn. Hopefully it doesn't catch on haha.
Excited to see if we get a Kamahl card this set!
Agreed. Not a ton for us to use. Fortunately, the entire set isn't here. I saw a few things I found interesting; but nothing jumped out as instantly great for us. I do like the overall design of the set though....and I especially like that Llanowar Elves is back
Also can't wait to see the new Kamahl in this block
Khamal's Druidic Vow seems like it could be pretty good in a Planeswalker deck. Will at last hit lands but can also hit Walkers and Oath.
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LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
The problem with Vow is that for one (G) mana more, you can get ALL permanents from the top of your library. You also don't have the legendary requirement clause to cast Genesis Wave. Vow is very restrictive.
Well, Damping Sphere is bloody terrible for us. Anti-Storm and Anti-Tron tech means it's not something that might be a metagame call--it's going to be a go-to mainstay. It definitely shuts down Nykthos, I'm not sure if it affects Utopia Sprawl, and ruins any of the builds that want exploit effects like BTE.
I think this is actually the worst thing to happen to us since ... well, since Eldrazi Winter, at least.
From what I understand it doesn't affect Utopia Sprawled lands since that's a trigger adding another mana to the mana pool, it's not the land itself that produces several mana. But yeah it still sucks that we're collateral damage with this artifact. It hoses Tron, Storm, Cheerios KCI, us,...
I don't really like the fact they're making Uw, Jeskai and Jund even stronger than before because I find these decks boring as hell, but everything is not lost yet.
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You are correct; the current template doesn't cause the land to add extra mana but instead creates a trigger adding extra mana from that card. Older cards used a different template where the land produced additional mana, and have since been errata-ed. That's why I was confused.
I concur that this format is going to be dominated by UW and UWR control, with maybe the occasional splash of hyper-fast aggro/combo. With Damping Sphere killing our more explosive builds and a permission-heavy meta countering our more controlling ones, this is a bad time to be a green mage.
All may not be lost, as you said. But it still looks quite bad.
Well, there's Genesis hydra... His ability is at casting.
I however, since I just like the idea, will be cutting my opponents life total in half by using a top end combination of blightsteel Colossus, phyrexian hydra, putrefax and a haste enabler.
What have you all found to be good for enabling hasty big sick poisonous fatties? putrefax excluded, because well, haste.
It would be a great time for WotC to bring back Wild Growth to compensate ^^
I have begged them for a few years now :).
But my bro did write for a little over a year to them asking for Opt (he plays Jeskai Tempo) and they eventually write back saying basically “be in the lookout” and the. It was printed! So there is hope!
Well, there's Genesis hydra... His ability is at casting.
I however, since I just like the idea, will be cutting my opponents life total in half by using a top end combination of blightsteel Colossus, phyrexian hydra, putrefax and a haste enabler.
What have you all found to be good for enabling hasty big sick poisonous fatties? putrefax excluded, because well, haste.
Some good haste enablers include:
Xenagos, God of Revels
Surrak Huntcaller
Sarkhan Vol
There are other 1-3 drop cards that can give a creature haste (and Fervor to give all creatures haste) but the ones above have use outside of being haste enablers.
To be honest, the new Elf makes Stompy look good too. I know they have kind of melded (Stompy stopped playing mono-green for a while...but will likely be back on it with Aspect of Hydra again). So really it is a Devotion deck (since it plays two cards concerned with Devotion)...but we can share
Or a Collected Company Variation:
I do wonder whether a Garruk deck or a “power matters” deck can be built with the new three drop. Something like:
Wild growth would be soo goooood. I am really surprised by Beast Within, So far it has been working great. It provides quite some disruption along primal command, nobody expects removal from green devotion. Maybe its time to give it a try mainboard, specially with the upcoming enchantmemt?
Beast Within is a great universal answer. I generally play 2 I’m my board (unless the deck already is prett interactive). It’s nice that it can hit anything...the only issue is that it is a little slow. I haven’t played it in the main; but it honestly probably isn’t bad at all. I may have to try one main.
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The only crappy part about Wild Growth is that everyone and their brother would play Arbor Elf, Utopia Sprawl, Wild Growth, X decks....I’ve already recently seen a million Utopia Sprawl/Arbor Elf decks running around....it certainly would not be just a Devotion thing anymore. Of course, it may help us more than others; so of course I will keep writing and begging
What do we have at our disposal?
There are some really good artifact hate cards...off the top of my head, the most used tend to be:
Ancient Grudge
Abrade
Natural Claim
Seal of Primordium
Reclamation Sage
there are a lot of other options too...they also have a new one in Dominaria for 1G that destroys an artifact or enchantment and then you put a land card from your hand into play.
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The GGG 5/4 Elf may make Stompy Devotion a truly powerful option now...Bloodbraid into this could be fun.
GGG
5/4
Elf Knight
SLC can’t be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
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I have been comfortable running 7 fetches on average (it can change a little depending on how many colors are splashed, if the deck plays any other “utility” lands, if I’m playing Tireless Tracker or Nissa VF etc....but if you are only splashing one additional color and don’t take advantage of land fall I honestly think you would be fine with only 5-6 (especially if running Utopia Sprawl and Birds).
With Ghalta & Surrak in Mind: Power Matters Devotion Deck incoming. .
Did the new redirect planeswalker rule our Walker-Devotions decks even better or worse?
Uhh...a new Genesis Wave Card - One less G, but needed a legend creature/planeswalker
....With Garruk -4 Final , Or Nissa,voZ -2 Abilities , maybe still a new Finisher. Or a Combo with an another card, that destory all Lands
A good hate card against Tron AND Storm.....and us (Nytkhos) . Utopia Sprawl is still working.
Damping Sphere is so good versus us though No nykthos and no chaining together multiple spells a turn. Hopefully it doesn't catch on haha.
Excited to see if we get a Kamahl card this set!
Agreed. Not a ton for us to use. Fortunately, the entire set isn't here. I saw a few things I found interesting; but nothing jumped out as instantly great for us. I do like the overall design of the set though....and I especially like that Llanowar Elves is back
Also can't wait to see the new Kamahl in this block
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I think this is actually the worst thing to happen to us since ... well, since Eldrazi Winter, at least.
Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
I don't really like the fact they're making Uw, Jeskai and Jund even stronger than before because I find these decks boring as hell, but everything is not lost yet.
Modern : Solemnity Prison Martyr Proc Devotion to Green 8 Whacks Eldrazi Processor Bogles Landfall Aggro
Legacy : Goblins
I concur that this format is going to be dominated by UW and UWR control, with maybe the occasional splash of hyper-fast aggro/combo. With Damping Sphere killing our more explosive builds and a permission-heavy meta countering our more controlling ones, this is a bad time to be a green mage.
All may not be lost, as you said. But it still looks quite bad.
Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
Modern : Solemnity Prison Martyr Proc Devotion to Green 8 Whacks Eldrazi Processor Bogles Landfall Aggro
Legacy : Goblins
I however, since I just like the idea, will be cutting my opponents life total in half by using a top end combination of blightsteel Colossus, phyrexian hydra, putrefax and a haste enabler.
What have you all found to be good for enabling hasty big sick poisonous fatties? putrefax excluded, because well, haste.
I WISH!
Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
I have begged them for a few years now :).
But my bro did write for a little over a year to them asking for Opt (he plays Jeskai Tempo) and they eventually write back saying basically “be in the lookout” and the. It was printed! So there is hope!
Some good haste enablers include:
Xenagos, God of Revels
Surrak Huntcaller
Sarkhan Vol
There are other 1-3 drop cards that can give a creature haste (and Fervor to give all creatures haste) but the ones above have use outside of being haste enablers.
4x Arbor Elf
3x Birds of Paradise
3x Steel Leaf Champion
2x Tireless Tracker
2x Reverent Hunter
1x Eternal Witness
1x Rhonas, the Indomitable
4x Bloodbraid Elf
1x Polukranos, World Eater
1x Acidic Slime
1x Woodland Bellower
1x Walking Ballista
1x Ghalta, Primal Hunger
4x Utopia Sprawl
2x Oath of Nissa
Planeswalker (9)
4x Garruk Wildspeaker
3x Garruk, Primal Hunter
2x Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Land (20)
7x Green Fetch
6x Forest
3x Stomping Ground
1x Kessig Wolf Run
3x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
To be honest, the new Elf makes Stompy look good too. I know they have kind of melded (Stompy stopped playing mono-green for a while...but will likely be back on it with Aspect of Hydra again). So really it is a Devotion deck (since it plays two cards concerned with Devotion)...but we can share
Or a Collected Company Variation:
I do wonder whether a Garruk deck or a “power matters” deck can be built with the new three drop. Something like:
4x Arbor Elf
3x Birds of Paradise
2x Duskwatch Recruiter
4x Steel Leaf Champion
2x Tireless Tracker
2x Reverent Hunter
3x Eternal Witness
2x Rhonas, the Indomitable
4x Bloodbraid Elf
1x Polukranos, World Eater
1x Acidic Slime
4x Utopia Sprawl
4x Collected Company
Planeswalker (4)
4x Garruk Wildspeaker
Land (20)
7x Green Fetch
6x Forest
3x Stomping Ground
1x Kessig Wolf Run
3x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Beast Within is a great universal answer. I generally play 2 I’m my board (unless the deck already is prett interactive). It’s nice that it can hit anything...the only issue is that it is a little slow. I haven’t played it in the main; but it honestly probably isn’t bad at all. I may have to try one main.
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The only crappy part about Wild Growth is that everyone and their brother would play Arbor Elf, Utopia Sprawl, Wild Growth, X decks....I’ve already recently seen a million Utopia Sprawl/Arbor Elf decks running around....it certainly would not be just a Devotion thing anymore. Of course, it may help us more than others; so of course I will keep writing and begging
Any recommendations?