So which variant is Better Bant or UW?
I like UW as color pair and I figure this deck is the best deck with a UW core around right now RIP Jeskai and UW Control.
btw, after Ravnica Allegiance spoilers (in which there hopefully be some useful spirits) i will make a call for whoever is willing to help updating the primer
Would be a pleasure helping you out again.
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
New to the thread here. I am incubating the idea of building a Esper Spirit, even if I don't have a list outside of the core for now.
I was wondering about the new Tithe Taker instead of Thalia. It has the downside that works only on your turn, but the upsides are pretty much welcomed: 1) is Not legendary, so it does stack in multiples, 2) it affects only the opponent, meaning that it doesn't hinder your own spells 2b)it affects also activated abilities, which Thalia doesn't and can be relevant in some matchups (also because it stacks with itself) and 3) it actually leaves a flying spirit behind, which sinergyses with the tribe. All this for the same comfortable price of 1W
What do you think about him?
If it has been discussed before, I apologize.
btw, i think we can work with deputy of detention. it's more fragile than reflector mage, but it's more versatile and has a more powerful effect
Ah nice trick you can pull of with Deputy is to Path/Reflector it in response to it's own ETB trigger, which means that the exiled cards would be gone forever^^
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"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
btw, i think we can work with deputy of detention. it's more fragile than reflector mage, but it's more versatile and has a more powerful effect
Ah nice trick you can pull of with Deputy is to Path/Reflector it in response to it's own ETB trigger, which means that the exiled cards would be gone forever^^
Doesn't work that way: DeDe doesn't have the Spell Queller/Fiend Hunter/Tidehollow Sculler text. If DeDe leaves the battlefield while its trigger is on the stack, the targeted card is not exiled at all.
btw, i think we can work with deputy of detention. it's more fragile than reflector mage, but it's more versatile and has a more powerful effect
Ah nice trick you can pull of with Deputy is to Path/Reflector it in response to it's own ETB trigger, which means that the exiled cards would be gone forever^^
Doesn't work that way: DeDe doesn't have the Spell Queller/Fiend Hunter/Tidehollow Sculler text. If DeDe leaves the battlefield while its trigger is on the stack, the targeted card is not exiled at all.
MMmh youre right my bad i must have missread the card when i saw it.
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A Grixis control build with that and forked bolt could be good. What do people think about strangleroot Geist in Bant? Is it better than selfless/rattlechains?
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A Grixis control build with that and forked bolt could be good. What do people think about strangleroot Geist in Bant? Is it better than selfless/rattlechains?
it's hard to cast, color requirements would indicate having 18 G sources and thus the manabase would get warped. other than that, it's a solid card, if you can fit it in. It probably belongs more in the 5c build, along with bloodghast and eidolon of the great revel
I wasn't talking exclusively about budget versions. I was thinking by cutting a number of path and a two drop and swapping nobles for birds that the upside of having birds be a viable CoCo hit and more (pseudo)lords would be greater than the downside of less CoCo targets.
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I'd rather run Curious Obsession than Favorable Winds, to be honest. In fact, I have been jamming that exact list in the MTGO friendly leagues to quite a bit of success (3 5-0s so far). Here's what I'm rocking.
Alright, spoilers are completed and the 1cmc drop we ve got is that weird cat/spirit that fits a defensive strategy at the very best. People willing to mess with Esper now have a couple of extra one drop.
I actually believe Pestilent spirit is a very powerful card with stats that make it an aggressive creature able to generate advantage when blocked in average scenarios (not considering the presence of tokens), it also works as a good trader when it comes to blocking some big threat. The static ability is impressive but forces this tribe down the weirdest and most unexplored road, which is Black-Red-X.
Getting rid of Spell Queller, Selfless and Drogskol Captain sounds crazy at the moment, yet the blue core would be untouched (wanderer-Rattlechains-phantom) and these are the creatures I care the most about. In my opinion Grixis is missing one disruptive 1cmc drop and a 3cmc drop to be somehow competitive (at least on paper), yet I like the idea of a completely new version of the deck seeing light.
I've got the feeling this version is going to be a weird graft, some tempo and some midrange elements, it's abandoning the draw-attack-pass style in favour of a more proactive type of play. Testing will tell how bad this actually is.
My Grixis version 1.0 is this by the way:
Speaking of competitive versions of the deck, I believe it's time to give Jeskai spirits a shot now. Izzet Phoenix is wrecking bant spirits down to 2% of the metagame according to MtgGoldfish. I believe thing in the ice is the biggest reason, along with the ability of the deck of drawing a crazy amount of cards and casting an insane amount of spells. I see in Eidolon of the Great Revel an answer to such a strategy: protecting Eidolon will make a phoenix cost 6 life to reanimate and 8 life for a Thing to flip. Eidolons (both the white and red ones) are the only creatures able to destroy that strategy, all of the other fancy stuff like reflector mages, echoing truth, declaration in stone, are temporary answers to a deck which is inevitably going to present another threat and another again few turns later.
Eidolon is such a dangerous creature though and it's also so hard to cast, I'd start this new version with one worship in my sideboard at the very list since I intend Jeskai Spirit as a not enough aggro deck, not as fast as revolt zoo. My fear is that it will be outraced a number of times, plus the switch from PtE to Bolt is a concession to midrange and value decks.
Lots of compromises have to be done to balance the deck against the field, this is going to be my first attempt at it:
Spirits
I like UW as color pair and I figure this deck is the best deck with a UW core around right now RIP Jeskai and UW Control.
Would be a pleasure helping you out again.
Modern // Legacy // Pauper
WUBRG
"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
btw, i think we can work with deputy of detention. it's more fragile than reflector mage, but it's more versatile and has a more powerful effect
Elves || GSpirits G || Spirits || Fish
Pauper
GElvesG || CAffinityC
Commander
G Roon (and the Hidden Realms) G
I was wondering about the new Tithe Taker instead of Thalia. It has the downside that works only on your turn, but the upsides are pretty much welcomed: 1) is Not legendary, so it does stack in multiples, 2) it affects only the opponent, meaning that it doesn't hinder your own spells 2b)it affects also activated abilities, which Thalia doesn't and can be relevant in some matchups (also because it stacks with itself) and 3) it actually leaves a flying spirit behind, which sinergyses with the tribe. All this for the same comfortable price of 1W
What do you think about him?
If it has been discussed before, I apologize.
Interesting.
Ah nice trick you can pull of with Deputy is to Path/Reflector it in response to it's own ETB trigger, which means that the exiled cards would be gone forever^^
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WUBRG
"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
Doesn't work that way: DeDe doesn't have the Spell Queller/Fiend Hunter/Tidehollow Sculler text. If DeDe leaves the battlefield while its trigger is on the stack, the targeted card is not exiled at all.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
MMmh youre right my bad i must have missread the card when i saw it.
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WUBRG
"Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
This tribe is two red/black 1cmc/2cmc creature cards away from Grixis Spirits.
-can't wait to K command my opponent with this thing on the table
it's hard to cast, color requirements would indicate having 18 G sources and thus the manabase would get warped. other than that, it's a solid card, if you can fit it in. It probably belongs more in the 5c build, along with bloodghast and eidolon of the great revel
Elves || GSpirits G || Spirits || Fish
Pauper
GElvesG || CAffinityC
Commander
G Roon (and the Hidden Realms) G
"Essence Capture"
UU
Instant
Counter target creature spell. Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature you control.
Anyway, i invite you to read the primer's budget sections (in the first page) as they focus on the topic you raised.
Elves || GSpirits G || Spirits || Fish
Pauper
GElvesG || CAffinityC
Commander
G Roon (and the Hidden Realms) G
Legacy: Merfolk U; Shadow UB; Eldrazi Stompy C
Pauper: Delver U
Vintage: Merfolk U
Primers:
I actually believe Pestilent spirit is a very powerful card with stats that make it an aggressive creature able to generate advantage when blocked in average scenarios (not considering the presence of tokens), it also works as a good trader when it comes to blocking some big threat. The static ability is impressive but forces this tribe down the weirdest and most unexplored road, which is Black-Red-X.
Getting rid of Spell Queller, Selfless and Drogskol Captain sounds crazy at the moment, yet the blue core would be untouched (wanderer-Rattlechains-phantom) and these are the creatures I care the most about. In my opinion Grixis is missing one disruptive 1cmc drop and a 3cmc drop to be somehow competitive (at least on paper), yet I like the idea of a completely new version of the deck seeing light.
I've got the feeling this version is going to be a weird graft, some tempo and some midrange elements, it's abandoning the draw-attack-pass style in favour of a more proactive type of play. Testing will tell how bad this actually is.
My Grixis version 1.0 is this by the way:
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Rattlechains
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Supreme Phantom
2 Nebelgast Herald
4 Pestilent Spirit
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Spells: 14
4 Aether Vial
4 Inquisitions of Kozilek
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Watery Grave
1 Steam Vents
2 Blackcleave Cliff
1 Spirebluff Canal
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Desolate Lighthouse
4 Cavern of Souls
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Graftdigger's Cage
1 Echoing Truth
2 Electrikery
2 Countersquall
2 Collective Brutality
1 Damping Sphere
2 Unmoored Ego
1 Dimir Cutpurse
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Speaking of competitive versions of the deck, I believe it's time to give Jeskai spirits a shot now. Izzet Phoenix is wrecking bant spirits down to 2% of the metagame according to MtgGoldfish. I believe thing in the ice is the biggest reason, along with the ability of the deck of drawing a crazy amount of cards and casting an insane amount of spells. I see in Eidolon of the Great Revel an answer to such a strategy: protecting Eidolon will make a phoenix cost 6 life to reanimate and 8 life for a Thing to flip. Eidolons (both the white and red ones) are the only creatures able to destroy that strategy, all of the other fancy stuff like reflector mages, echoing truth, declaration in stone, are temporary answers to a deck which is inevitably going to present another threat and another again few turns later.
Eidolon is such a dangerous creature though and it's also so hard to cast, I'd start this new version with one worship in my sideboard at the very list since I intend Jeskai Spirit as a not enough aggro deck, not as fast as revolt zoo. My fear is that it will be outraced a number of times, plus the switch from PtE to Bolt is a concession to midrange and value decks.
Lots of compromises have to be done to balance the deck against the field, this is going to be my first attempt at it:
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Rattlechains
3 Eidolon of the Great Revel
1 Phantasmal Image
4 Supreme Phantom
4 Spell Queller
4 Drogskol Captain
1 Nebelgast Herald
Spells: 10
4 Aether Vial
2 Curious Obsession
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Steam Vents
1 Sacred Foundry
3 Spirebluff Canal
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Moorland Haunt
1 Slayer's Stronghold
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest In Peace
1 Echoing Truth
2 Negate
1 Ionize
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Eidolon of the Great Revel
1 Kira, Great Glass.Spinner
2 Path To Exile
1 Worship
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance