I see it that way: Since all of our creatures are at least one green mana, Might of the Masses will almost always be worse than Aspect of Hydra. Or the other way around, this deck plays no tokens, so only activating Treetop Village could potentially produce a scenario where Might is better than Aspect.
And because most iterations of the deck want a maximum of 4 Aspect, playing Might as a 5th copy is also no consideration. So in my opinion, no, I think Might of the Masses is not worth a try.
I think it might be taking the deck in another direction, but I'm going to try 4 PC and 4 E1 alongside Narnam Renegade and greenbelt with 9 fetches. Maybe add 3 hardened scales too? Maybe even try greenwheel liberator or whatever the revolt 2 drop is called. Just need a payoff for counters.
I’ve tried to make Hardened Scales work in a stompy shell for about 2 years and the decks are never as powerful as stompy itself. The reason it is good in affinity is because it’s never a bad top deck, actually it might be just what they want to top deck, however, for stompy it’s the worst top deck. They move the counters, we only get them on etb triggers, apart from Scavenging Ooze of course.
I do NOT agree with all the Card Evaluations by the author, especially the Sideboard choices. But the gameplay introductions regarding the sequencing are quite helpful, if you didn't think of that so far. Definitely helped me improving my gameplay with the deck.
Also note that the article is from June 2016, so Narnam Renegade and Steel Leaf Champion did not exist back then.
I do NOT agree with all the Card Evaluations by the author, especially the Sideboard choices. But the gameplay introductions regarding the sequencing are quite helpful, if you didn't think of that so far. Definitely helped me improving my gameplay with the deck.
Also note that the article is from June 2016, so Narnam Renegade and Steel Leaf Champion did not exist back then.
Thanks for sharing that. Those tips on sequencing are indeed helpful.
A Chalice that could stop Terminus would cost 12 mana (Terminus has CMC of 6 even when it's Miracled for W). I don't think that's where we want to be.
For the same reason, Gaddock Teeg does stop it, and is in the sideboard of many Stompy builds that splash white.
I don't know of a safeguard against that in monogreen. If your meta is really overrun with Miracles, you might sideboard Codex Shredder to mill away anytime they opt/jace/azcanta and keep a card on top?
A Chalice that could stop Terminus would cost 12 mana (Terminus has CMC of 6 even when it's Miracled for W). I don't think that's where we want to be.
For the same reason, Gaddock Teeg does stop it, and is in the sideboard of many Stompy builds that splash white.
I don't know of a safeguard against that in monogreen. If your meta is really overrun with Miracles, you might sideboard Codex Shredder to mill away anytime they opt/jace/azcanta and keep a card on top?
Well, CotV would only cost two to stop all one costing spells since it is cast for one no? Teeg is too slow. And Shredder is a very bad SB card. :/ I was just now doing my own research and Warping Wail would be a good solution, but typically countering blue is not a good idea if you are not blue to begin with. lol I guess until you face a T1 Terminus you can't really feel the pain.
A Chalice that could stop Terminus would cost 12 mana (Terminus has CMC of 6 even when it's Miracled for W). I don't think that's where we want to be.
Well, CotV would only cost two to stop all one costing spells since it is cast for one no?
As I said, Terminus always has a CMC of 6. Whether it is cast from Miracle or not. It would take an X=6 Chalice (which costs 12 mana) to counter Terminus.
Too slow? It costs 2 mana. A wrath before your second turn is not that big of a concern. This isn't Hollow One Roulette here - we don't dump our hand on T1.
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The interaction between Pelt Collector and Groundbreaker seems interesting. For me Groundbreaker was always kind of unimpressive, because it provides no lasting board Advantage. It basically has to win the game, or it is not more than a Burn Spell.
With 8 Evolvers and the "Die"-clause on Pelt Collector that might make him worth the effort. Looking forward to your experinces.
By the way: Does anyone know wht's up with the Price of Gaddock Teeg?! I was just thinking of him cause of the discussion on Terminus - which I think our deck has no real answer to (besides Gaddock). I generally try to play around any kind of massremoval by not playing too many creatures while still applying enough pressure.
Thinking of it, that's actually a spot where Groundbreaker is useful.
It can theoretically be. But the biggest issue is that they usually don't stay 1/1 long enough to actually benefit long term. Sure if your E1 came down later and you don't have much gas its useful Otherwise its not really filling any purpose.
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And because most iterations of the deck want a maximum of 4 Aspect, playing Might as a 5th copy is also no consideration. So in my opinion, no, I think Might of the Masses is not worth a try.
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I do NOT agree with all the Card Evaluations by the author, especially the Sideboard choices. But the gameplay introductions regarding the sequencing are quite helpful, if you didn't think of that so far. Definitely helped me improving my gameplay with the deck.
Also note that the article is from June 2016, so Narnam Renegade and Steel Leaf Champion did not exist back then.
Might of the Masses was originally printed in ROE.
So quite some time ago.
It's not played for a reason.
Thanks for sharing that. Those tips on sequencing are indeed helpful.
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UW is beating down Aggro with Terminus.
How do you deal with it?
Is there any card in your arsenal that can do something about it?
I can only think of Chalice of the Void and off color counter cards. Both options are neither great. :/
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For the same reason, Gaddock Teeg does stop it, and is in the sideboard of many Stompy builds that splash white.
I don't know of a safeguard against that in monogreen. If your meta is really overrun with Miracles, you might sideboard Codex Shredder to mill away anytime they opt/jace/azcanta and keep a card on top?
Well, CotV would only cost two to stop all one costing spells since it is cast for one no? Teeg is too slow. And Shredder is a very bad SB card. :/ I was just now doing my own research and Warping Wail would be a good solution, but typically countering blue is not a good idea if you are not blue to begin with. lol I guess until you face a T1 Terminus you can't really feel the pain.
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As I said, Terminus always has a CMC of 6. Whether it is cast from Miracle or not. It would take an X=6 Chalice (which costs 12 mana) to counter Terminus.
Too slow? It costs 2 mana. A wrath before your second turn is not that big of a concern. This isn't Hollow One Roulette here - we don't dump our hand on T1.
4x Pelt Collector
4x Dryad Militant
4x Strangleroot Geist
4x Avatar of the Resolute
4x Steel Leaf Champion
2x Scavenging Ooze
1x Briarhorn
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Dismember
4x Vines of Vastwood
2x Rancor
4x Wooded Foothills
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Stomping Ground
5x Forest
2x Relic of Progenitus
3x Damping Sphere
2x Blood Moon
2x Xenagos, the Reveler
2x Destructive Revelry
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Combust
2x Grim Lavamancer
Terminus is really good. Usually legacy creature decks go to things like 4cmc cards like Gideon, Ally of Zendikar and company to beat it. Xenagos, the Reveler fits the bill here.
I play zoo and Teeg. They, for whatever reason, always have the Path for the Teeg.
Treetop Village helps. I've been using 2 in the main for awhile now.
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I did not know Chalice of the Void could not stop Terminus when it was cast for one mana.
And, I always though Teege was a three costing creature.
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1x Hashep Oasis
2x Treetop Village
Creatures
4x Pelt Collector
4x Experiment One
3x Dryad Militant
2x Scavenging Ooze
4x Avatar of the Resolute
4x Strangleroot Geist
1x Rhonas the Indomitable
3x Groundbreaker
4x Steel Leaf Champion
4x Aspect of Hydra
4x Vines of Vastwood
2x Dismember
3x Natural State
3x Shapers' Sanctuary
2x Relic of Progenitus
1x Feed the Clan
3x Damping Sphere
1x Beast Within
1x Chamelon Colossus
1x Obstinate Baloth
The interaction between Pelt Collector and Groundbreaker seems interesting. For me Groundbreaker was always kind of unimpressive, because it provides no lasting board Advantage. It basically has to win the game, or it is not more than a Burn Spell.
With 8 Evolvers and the "Die"-clause on Pelt Collector that might make him worth the effort. Looking forward to your experinces.
By the way: Does anyone know wht's up with the Price of Gaddock Teeg?! I was just thinking of him cause of the discussion on Terminus - which I think our deck has no real answer to (besides Gaddock). I generally try to play around any kind of massremoval by not playing too many creatures while still applying enough pressure.
Thinking of it, that's actually a spot where Groundbreaker is useful.
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It can theoretically be. But the biggest issue is that they usually don't stay 1/1 long enough to actually benefit long term. Sure if your E1 came down later and you don't have much gas its useful Otherwise its not really filling any purpose.