It's not super budget but all it really lacks is the 4 Noble Hierarch. It's the mana ramp and the exalted trigger that really makes it important. Since most of your pump end up bringing you to 9 poison with 2 cards in a turn unless you have the exalted. And the mana ramp is important since your playing a low resources game and one mana can be the difference between winning and losing with the deck. I also like 2-3 Vapor Snag in the 75 in some meta's since you can really mess some decks up by bouncing their big payoff creatures or early blockers if they are playing slower hands.
Budget is not a problem in the sense that I'm willing to pick up any lands that I may need (and I have most of them anyways). Lands are always useful. Unfortunately, I don't have the $200 for just the Hierarchs, especially as I don't have another deck to slot them in (though I may be putting together Jacob Wilson's list from the PT, so that would be a another spot). That's why I'm waiting for MMA2 to see if it sees a reprint. If not, I'll just have to bite the bullet and start picking them up.
But otherwise, that list would be pretty easy to put together. Thanks for it!
It's not super budget but all it really lacks is the 4 Noble Hierarch. It's the mana ramp and the exalted trigger that really makes it important. Since most of your pump end up bringing you to 9 poison with 2 cards in a turn unless you have the exalted. And the mana ramp is important since your playing a low resources game and one mana can be the difference between winning and losing with the deck. I also like 2-3 Vapor Snag in the 75 in some meta's since you can really mess some decks up by bouncing their big payoff creatures or early blockers if they are playing slower hands.
Budget is not a problem in the sense that I'm willing to pick up any lands that I may need (and I have most of them anyways). Lands are always useful. Unfortunately, I don't have the $200 for just the Hierarchs, especially as I don't have another deck to slot them in (though I may be putting together Jacob Wilson's list from the PT, so that would be a another spot). That's why I'm waiting for MMA2 to see if it sees a reprint. If not, I'll just have to bite the bullet and start picking them up.
But otherwise, that list would be pretty easy to put together. Thanks for it!
Reprint in MM2 does not mean lower prices. If she is reprinted as mythic, her price will shoot up, not down.
Generally speaking we always lose game 1 to burn any way due to lack of SB hate. So it may not be the worst thing in the world atm.
Hmm. In my experience, game 1 has always been 50-50. Maindeck Dispel and Spellskite help that, though, which you don't have access to. I'm considering finding room for a second Wild Defiance as well.
Yea, for me its more 60-40. Again, its a meta call. When I play it at the GP this summer, I may swap them around.
It's not super budget but all it really lacks is the 4 Noble Hierarch. It's the mana ramp and the exalted trigger that really makes it important. Since most of your pump end up bringing you to 9 poison with 2 cards in a turn unless you have the exalted. And the mana ramp is important since your playing a low resources game and one mana can be the difference between winning and losing with the deck. I also like 2-3 Vapor Snag in the 75 in some meta's since you can really mess some decks up by bouncing their big payoff creatures or early blockers if they are playing slower hands.
Budget is not a problem in the sense that I'm willing to pick up any lands that I may need (and I have most of them anyways). Lands are always useful. Unfortunately, I don't have the $200 for just the Hierarchs, especially as I don't have another deck to slot them in (though I may be putting together Jacob Wilson's list from the PT, so that would be a another spot). That's why I'm waiting for MMA2 to see if it sees a reprint. If not, I'll just have to bite the bullet and start picking them up.
But otherwise, that list would be pretty easy to put together. Thanks for it!
Reprint in MM2 does not mean lower prices. If she is reprinted as mythic, her price will shoot up, not down.
Sure, but that's not exactly a card that would be printed at Mythic. I can sort of understand Goyf at mythic, as it was the face of Modern and a powerful Legacy card, Clique was kind of the same. Hierarch is just a mana dork with an extra ability. It's not all that complex and isn't crazy powerful. I would honestly be very surprised if it was at mythic.
And that's why I'm watching the spoiler list. If it shows up at Mythic or not at all, I'll pick some up. If it shows up at rare, I'll wait and grab it after the set is out for a bit.
i have an infect list that paid for itself with that said, not the greatest in the paper metagame
you see all these modern daily 4-0's
so when you go to a store you can 4-0 just like on MODO, however you can play 5-6-7 dailys a week and rarely see the same people.
however wen you go to the store the week after you 4-0 an event....the people there basically point at you and say...that guy runs infect....and if you continue to win at pace that earns you some serious store credit, people end up just altering their entire sideboards just to take you out.
i've played scapeshift decks that ran 4 meliras post board.
keep that in mind before you drop some money on the deck. it's a tier 2 deck that thrives on the online environment.
it's the same thing with burn, fine choice for MODO or the PT but week-to-week epect people to muligan to a leyline
Thats fine. I expect to warp the local meta a bit after weeks and weeks of infect play. I already have a bit, but their best responses are spellskite, and I have enough SB hate towards it that Im not too worried. That being said, I will evolve to new SB strategies against me as they show-up. Thus far Im 17-3-0 at my LGS with my list.
What do you guys think of Tom Ross and Pantheon running 4x Become Immense? It seems to have worked out well for them as they put up good numbers at the Pro Tour. They run 9 fetches and 4 Gitaxian Probes to feed Become Immense. They also ran a Spellskite main and zero Groundswells. Honestly, I'm gonna try out Tom Ross' list and see where I can get with it. I've already played it on Cockatrice with a lot of success. You can find his list here http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptfrf/top-modern-decklists-m-r
What do you guys think of Tom Ross and Pantheon running 4x Become Immense? It seems to have worked out well for them as they put up good numbers at the Pro Tour. They run 9 fetches and 4 Gitaxian Probes to feed Become Immense. They also ran a Spellskite main and zero Groundswells. Honestly, I'm gonna try out Tom Ross' list and see where I can get with it. I've already played it on Cockatrice with a lot of success. You can find his list here http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptfrf/top-modern-decklists-m-r
Its interesting, though I dont see myself changing my current list any time soon. Unless the meta changes drastically at my LGS. It seems like the deck was tweaked quite a bit for the pro tour. They knew exactly what they would be facing.
I also wanted to mention that I was playing earlier today against a guy with four Lingering Souls tokens out and he had killed my infect dudes. I had triple Noble Hierarch and cast Distortion Strike, then I attacked him and pumped my little mana dork up to 10/10. He tried to kill it so I hit him with a kicked Vines of Vastwood. He was at 14 life before this so an exactsies kill with a 14/14 unblockable Hierarch felt pretty stinkin' awesome.
is that 17 nights in a row that you placed first? thats pretty impressive, my run at consistently running 4-0 was only like 12 weeks strong little under 4 months the pod decks started becoming prevalent and a single remand on the draw put he behind the splinter twin decks where they would see if i had vines or not then just go for the win on 4
i played it the day before the modern banlist update and went 2-1 drop
then 4-0'd the night after the list update heh
is that 17 nights in a row that you placed first? thats pretty impressive, my run at consistently running 4-0 was only like 12 weeks strong little under 4 months the pod decks started becoming prevalent and a single remand on the draw put he behind the splinter twin decks where they would see if i had vines or not then just go for the win on 4
i played it the day before the modern banlist update and went 2-1 drop
then 4-0'd the night after the list update heh
been playing storm
I should clarify. 17 wins, 3 losses, 0 ties. 5 monday nights in a row. Top 8 4/5. 1st place 3/5.
What do you guys think of Tom Ross and Pantheon running 4x Become Immense? It seems to have worked out well for them as they put up good numbers at the Pro Tour. They run 9 fetches and 4 Gitaxian Probes to feed Become Immense. They also ran a Spellskite main and zero Groundswells. Honestly, I'm gonna try out Tom Ross' list and see where I can get with it. I've already played it on Cockatrice with a lot of success. You can find his list here http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptfrf/top-modern-decklists-m-r
Their deck is a lot different from the one I'm used to (BUG). It has only 12 Infect creatures (Elf, Agent, Inkmoth) whereas BUG or mono-G would have 4 more (Stinger/Ichorclaw/Necropede). On the other hand they have more cantrips, so maybe drawing into an Infect guy isn't a big deal. Out of their 5 cantrips, only 1 of them provides card selection though.
They're playing Distortion Strike instead of Rancor. Makes sense since Strike feeds Become Immense after the rebound while Rancor stays attached to your creature. But Spellskite instead of more Apostle's Blessing goes against that, especially when Blessing triggers Wild Defiance but not Spellskite. Maybe they wanted to save SB slots.
On Become Immense, if you count a +4/+4 pump as being worth one card then Become Immense is worth 1.5 cards. That seems important considering that the deck has no form of actual card advantage. You can look at Wild Defiance in the same way; it's a one-time 3-mana investment that pays off 0.75 of a card every time you cast a pump/protection spell. Plus, it turns all the Bolts into your opponent's hand into Lava Spikes - so Wild Defiance could have virtually removed 1 or 2 cards from your opponent's hand after you played it.
I too noticed a few qiirks in the lists from the Pro Tour
1. Each deck had either an extra Ichorclaw Myr or Dryad Arbor. I prefer the latter.
2. What's up with that 1-of Sleight of Hand?
3. Are the 4 Spellskites total really that necessary? (Sigh more expenses)
4. Dammit I have to buy a 9th green fetchland! >.< More expenses
5. Am I missing something as to why they played Might of Old Krosa over Groundswell? Especially now they have +1 more fetchland than usual? :))
I too noticed a few qiirks in the lists from the Pro Tour
1. Each deck had either an extra Ichorclaw Myr or Dryad Arbor. I prefer the latter.
2. What's up with that 1-of Sleight of Hand?
3. Are the 4 Spellskites total really that necessary? (Sigh more expenses)
4. Dammit I have to buy a 9th green fetchland! >.< More expenses
5. Am I missing something as to why they played Might of Old Krosa over Groundswell? Especially now they have +1 more fetchland than usual? :))
Might is still more consistent than groundswell which demands a landfall trigger to be worth the mana.
We had a super small modern turnout last friday, but we still played. 3 rounds, 6 people. Playing Kovo's list -1 Hierarch + 1 Birds and went 2-1, sadly losing the last match to scapeshift, a matchup which I'm altogether unfamiliar with.
Beat RDW (played 8 games versus this dude, by the time we finished the 8th, they were nearly done with the round, and lost none) and Tezzerator with relative ease, but Shift is a pretty darn consistent list and BUG is, imo, still at least a turn slower than UG, though it does feel more consistent due to more evasive threats.
Still felt good to finally play some Modern again, and doing okay, even though it was a small event. If I hadn't lost game 3 to shift, we wouldn't have had a weird split we did, 3 players on 2-1 and 3 on 1-2
2-1 in 3 rounds isnt bad. I usually 4-0 or 3-1. Its a very small tourney so hard to judge based on that
I should also add that Im not too sure if BUG is a turn slower than UG. I can still do turn 2 kills on perfect hands, and turn 3 kills consistently. What I find is that BUG can recover more quickly if the game gets out of our control.
It is certainly a mystery to me why the Pantheon didn't run Groundswell. I have to say it, 4 Become Immense is ridiculous! What happens if you get multiples in your hand, or have a chance at a big swing early in a particular game before Become Immense can be cast. There is only one answer to that, the list the Pantheon decided to run was not the optimal build.
It was really exciting that the Pantheon decided to back Tom Ross and play Infect. What was not exciting is the list they brought to the tournament.
It is certainly a mystery to me why the Pantheon didn't run Groundswell. I have to say it, 4 Become Immense is ridiculous! What happens if you get multiples in your hand, or have a chance at a big swing early in a particular game before Become Immense can be cast. There is only one answer to that, the list the Pantheon decided to run was not the optimal build.
It was really exciting that the Pantheon decided to back Tom Ross and play Infect. What was not exciting is the list they brought to the tournament.
I agree. 4 BI is too much. I wonder if they would have seen top 8 success if it was tweaked differently.
Comparing groundswell to MooK (an unfortunate acronym) is simple. MooK is more consistently a +4 whereas GS requires landfall. I play both, and would not rate them lower than BI, though.
Budget is not a problem in the sense that I'm willing to pick up any lands that I may need (and I have most of them anyways). Lands are always useful. Unfortunately, I don't have the $200 for just the Hierarchs, especially as I don't have another deck to slot them in (though I may be putting together Jacob Wilson's list from the PT, so that would be a another spot). That's why I'm waiting for MMA2 to see if it sees a reprint. If not, I'll just have to bite the bullet and start picking them up.
But otherwise, that list would be pretty easy to put together. Thanks for it!
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
Reprint in MM2 does not mean lower prices. If she is reprinted as mythic, her price will shoot up, not down.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
Yea, for me its more 60-40. Again, its a meta call. When I play it at the GP this summer, I may swap them around.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
Sure, but that's not exactly a card that would be printed at Mythic. I can sort of understand Goyf at mythic, as it was the face of Modern and a powerful Legacy card, Clique was kind of the same. Hierarch is just a mana dork with an extra ability. It's not all that complex and isn't crazy powerful. I would honestly be very surprised if it was at mythic.
And that's why I'm watching the spoiler list. If it shows up at Mythic or not at all, I'll pick some up. If it shows up at rare, I'll wait and grab it after the set is out for a bit.
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
you see all these modern daily 4-0's
so when you go to a store you can 4-0 just like on MODO, however you can play 5-6-7 dailys a week and rarely see the same people.
however wen you go to the store the week after you 4-0 an event....the people there basically point at you and say...that guy runs infect....and if you continue to win at pace that earns you some serious store credit, people end up just altering their entire sideboards just to take you out.
i've played scapeshift decks that ran 4 meliras post board.
keep that in mind before you drop some money on the deck. it's a tier 2 deck that thrives on the online environment.
it's the same thing with burn, fine choice for MODO or the PT but week-to-week epect people to muligan to a leyline
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
I lost to Scapeshift in round 3.
BWBAthreos, God of PassageBWB (Shadowborn Clerics)
UG Infect
Modern
UG Infect
GW Infect
EDH
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion
B Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
Its interesting, though I dont see myself changing my current list any time soon. Unless the meta changes drastically at my LGS. It seems like the deck was tweaked quite a bit for the pro tour. They knew exactly what they would be facing.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
UG Infect
Modern
UG Infect
GW Infect
EDH
WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion
B Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
i played it the day before the modern banlist update and went 2-1 drop
then 4-0'd the night after the list update heh
been playing storm
I should clarify. 17 wins, 3 losses, 0 ties. 5 monday nights in a row. Top 8 4/5. 1st place 3/5.
All events were 30+ players.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
They're playing Distortion Strike instead of Rancor. Makes sense since Strike feeds Become Immense after the rebound while Rancor stays attached to your creature. But Spellskite instead of more Apostle's Blessing goes against that, especially when Blessing triggers Wild Defiance but not Spellskite. Maybe they wanted to save SB slots.
On Become Immense, if you count a +4/+4 pump as being worth one card then Become Immense is worth 1.5 cards. That seems important considering that the deck has no form of actual card advantage. You can look at Wild Defiance in the same way; it's a one-time 3-mana investment that pays off 0.75 of a card every time you cast a pump/protection spell. Plus, it turns all the Bolts into your opponent's hand into Lava Spikes - so Wild Defiance could have virtually removed 1 or 2 cards from your opponent's hand after you played it.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
1. Each deck had either an extra Ichorclaw Myr or Dryad Arbor. I prefer the latter.
2. What's up with that 1-of Sleight of Hand?
3. Are the 4 Spellskites total really that necessary? (Sigh more expenses)
4. Dammit I have to buy a 9th green fetchland! >.< More expenses
5. Am I missing something as to why they played Might of Old Krosa over Groundswell? Especially now they have +1 more fetchland than usual? :))
Might is still more consistent than groundswell which demands a landfall trigger to be worth the mana.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
2-1 in 3 rounds isnt bad. I usually 4-0 or 3-1. Its a very small tourney so hard to judge based on that
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
It was really exciting that the Pantheon decided to back Tom Ross and play Infect. What was not exciting is the list they brought to the tournament.
I agree. 4 BI is too much. I wonder if they would have seen top 8 success if it was tweaked differently.
Comparing groundswell to MooK (an unfortunate acronym) is simple. MooK is more consistently a +4 whereas GS requires landfall. I play both, and would not rate them lower than BI, though.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver