This is a port over from a legacy deck I was tinkering with. I'm not very familiar with modern and still need to change a card to modern counterpart, sylvan library.
Goal: eliminate the opponent's ability to win. Bridge stops most creature decks, Sadistic sacrament removes any problematic removal for bridge. Chalice and discard slow combo decks until you can hit them with a liliana / sadistic.
This deck looks like a pile but it really requires a completely different style of play. The goal (as stated above) is simple, but it leads to really unintuitive lines of play.
I've been out of the magic scene since covid and am still not up to speed on all of the new cards, so I'd really like help optimizing it and to get some feedback.
Bitter ordeal is probably abusable with some sort of treasure tokens, I just don't know the best options yet.
I was really impressed with the deck in legacy however It hinges heavily on drawing bridge. I think it's probably going to be better in modern because modern is slower.
Adding blue was worth it because Snapcaster is a cheap way to recur either your removal, discard, or exile depending on the matchup. 1 of Jace is really good just because he fits the theme so well in denying them access to their outs.
I'd really like to get some input and ideas and possibly make this into a working deck.
Artifact removal density in some opposing Modern decks is getting crazy high, with the RWGU expensive brew now packing 4 Prismatic Ending, 4 Teferi, Time Raveler, 1 Boseiju, Who Endures, and possibly 1 March of Otherworldly Light maindeck to deal with Ensnaring Bridge. That deck can also raise hell with Omnath, Locus of Creation dealing considerable noncombat damage to you and Wrenn and Six opting to ping you or recur Boseiju, Who Endures. Sadistic Sacrament fails to get cards in opposing hands, so that deck has a decent chance of sneaking one of those removal or just-in-time bounce into hand by the time you cast your first Sacrament. Your Chalice of the Void basically cannot block Prismatic Ending or March of Otherworldly Light from getting cast, even for obscene prices. Your sideboard Pithing Needle can probably deal with Boseiju, Who Endures, but then you need another Needle for T3feri. This match-up doesn't look like a good one for your deck at all on paper, partially because your clock is glacially slow.
I advise replacing your sideboard Cranial Extraction with Necromentia because that better deals with both Tron and Boseiju, Who Endures and is one mana cheaper to boot.
Perhaps ironically, Modern has more aggro and faster aggro decks than Legacy right now. One of the premier aggro decks in Modern is Colossus Hammer Time, which aims to smash your face in for 10+ damage on Turn 2 and kill you on Turn 3. All your sideboard removal is too slow to deal with that deck, so your only early-game salvation is your targeted discard and your Abrupt Decay. Note that Pithing Needle cannot stop Colossus Hammer from getting forcibly attached to their creatures with Sigarda's Aid, and Chalice cannot stop all their creatures from being cast and especially cannot stop Urza's Saga (which provides both creatures and cheated-in Colossus Hammers). I advise cheaper removal in your sideboard as a result (e.g. Fatal Push, Engineered Explosives, Assassin's Trophy, Return to Nature, Boseiju, Who Endures).
Good luck, but I actually suspect that Modern is a more hostile environment for your deck than Legacy is.
Artifact removal density in some opposing Modern decks is getting crazy high, with the RWGU expensive brew now packing 4 Prismatic Ending, 4 Teferi, Time Raveler, 1 Boseiju, Who Endures, and possibly 1 March of Otherworldly Light maindeck to deal with Ensnaring Bridge. That deck can also raise hell with Omnath, Locus of Creation dealing considerable noncombat damage to you and Wrenn and Six opting to ping you or recur Boseiju, Who Endures. Sadistic Sacrament fails to get cards in opposing hands, so that deck has a decent chance of sneaking one of those removal or just-in-time bounce into hand by the time you cast your first Sacrament. Your Chalice of the Void basically cannot block Prismatic Ending or March of Otherworldly Light from getting cast, even for obscene prices. Your sideboard Pithing Needle can probably deal with Boseiju, Who Endures, but then you need another Needle for T3feri. This match-up doesn't look like a good one for your deck at all on paper, partially because your clock is glacially slow.
I advise replacing your sideboard Cranial Extraction with Necromentia because that better deals with both Tron and Boseiju, Who Endures and is one mana cheaper to boot.
Perhaps ironically, Modern has more aggro and faster aggro decks than Legacy right now. One of the premier aggro decks in Modern is Colossus Hammer Time, which aims to smash your face in for 10+ damage on Turn 2 and kill you on Turn 3. All your sideboard removal is too slow to deal with that deck, so your only early-game salvation is your targeted discard and your Abrupt Decay. Note that Pithing Needle cannot stop Colossus Hammer from getting forcibly attached to their creatures with Sigarda's Aid, and Chalice cannot stop all their creatures from being cast and especially cannot stop Urza's Saga (which provides both creatures and cheated-in Colossus Hammers). I advise cheaper removal in your sideboard as a result (e.g. Fatal Push, Engineered Explosives, Assassin's Trophy, Return to Nature, Boseiju, Who Endures).
Good luck, but I actually suspect that Modern is a more hostile environment for your deck than Legacy is.
This is really great feedback. Exactly what I was looking for. I think you may be right about that RWGU expensive brew. If I can't rely on bridge, maybe there is something else I can rely on. If not Id probably have to change the strategy. For example, against decks like 4c brew, their mana base may be the weak point. If white is the color giving me trouble, you eliminate all of the white sources of mana.
Without a detailed analysis (i just took 1 list) but it seems like only have the following lands to deal with:
Dealing with these 5 cards, actually deals with +/-18 cards, the main threats, Omnath, Locus of Creation, March of Otherworldly Light, Prismatic Ending, Teferi, Time Raveler[/cards],Solitude. I noticed that some also have abundant growth which presents a problem but can be dealt with using something like ghost quarter. I'm not saying that this will be a good or an easy match by any means but it may take a different approach.
TLDR: you've given god feedback and lots to consider, thanks. If you have recommendations on improvements, that'll help too. It may be that you're right about this being not very well positioned in the modern meta, but i'd like to explore it a little more.
EDIT* is modern slow enough to run something like form of the dragon and actually cast it without cheeating it into play? I could even switch to red over green maybe?
Artifact removal density in some opposing Modern decks is getting crazy high, with the RWGU expensive brew now packing 4 Prismatic Ending, 4 Teferi, Time Raveler, 1 Boseiju, Who Endures, and possibly 1 March of Otherworldly Light maindeck to deal with Ensnaring Bridge. That deck can also raise hell with Omnath, Locus of Creation dealing considerable noncombat damage to you and Wrenn and Six opting to ping you or recur Boseiju, Who Endures. Sadistic Sacrament fails to get cards in opposing hands, so that deck has a decent chance of sneaking one of those removal or just-in-time bounce into hand by the time you cast your first Sacrament. Your Chalice of the Void basically cannot block Prismatic Ending or March of Otherworldly Light from getting cast, even for obscene prices. Your sideboard Pithing Needle can probably deal with Boseiju, Who Endures, but then you need another Needle for T3feri. This match-up doesn't look like a good one for your deck at all on paper, partially because your clock is glacially slow.
I advise replacing your sideboard Cranial Extraction with Necromentia because that better deals with both Tron and Boseiju, Who Endures and is one mana cheaper to boot.
Perhaps ironically, Modern has more aggro and faster aggro decks than Legacy right now. One of the premier aggro decks in Modern is Colossus Hammer Time, which aims to smash your face in for 10+ damage on Turn 2 and kill you on Turn 3. All your sideboard removal is too slow to deal with that deck, so your only early-game salvation is your targeted discard and your Abrupt Decay. Note that Pithing Needle cannot stop Colossus Hammer from getting forcibly attached to their creatures with Sigarda's Aid, and Chalice cannot stop all their creatures from being cast and especially cannot stop Urza's Saga (which provides both creatures and cheated-in Colossus Hammers). I advise cheaper removal in your sideboard as a result (e.g. Fatal Push, Engineered Explosives, Assassin's Trophy, Return to Nature, Boseiju, Who Endures).
Good luck, but I actually suspect that Modern is a more hostile environment for your deck than Legacy is.
This is really great feedback. Exactly what I was looking for. I think you may be right about that RWGU expensive brew. If I can't rely on bridge, maybe there is something else I can rely on. If not Id probably have to change the strategy. For example, against decks like 4c brew, their mana base may be the weak point. If white is the color giving me trouble, you eliminate all of the white sources of mana.
Without a detailed analysis (i just took 1 list) but it seems like only have the following lands to deal with:
Dealing with these 5 cards, actually deals with +/-18 cards, the main threats, Omnath, Locus of Creation, March of Otherworldly Light, Prismatic Ending, Teferi, Time Raveler[/cards],Solitude. I noticed that some also have abundant growth which presents a problem but can be dealt with using something like ghost quarter. I'm not saying that this will be a good or an easy match by any means but it may take a different approach.
TLDR: you've given god feedback and lots to consider, thanks. If you have recommendations on improvements, that'll help too. It may be that you're right about this being not very well positioned in the modern meta, but i'd like to explore it a little more.
EDIT* is modern slow enough to run something like form of the dragon and actually cast it without cheeating it into play? I could even switch to red over green maybe?
The trouble with assaulting lands with Sadistic Sacrament is that your opponent is very likely and highly incentivized to get lands that produce white mana in play before you can Sadistic Sacrament them out of their library, with the Triomes entering the battlefield tapped and the shocklands either entering the battlefield tapped or ripping out 2 of their life when they ETB. Throw in fetchlands such as Windswept Heath and even Misty Rainforest letting them sneak any such white-producing part-Plains (part-Island?) into play and I suspect assaulting their mana fixing is futile.
If you opt to go for the land destruction plan to ensure they stay off white mana, you now need to also Pithing Needle Wrenn and Six and kill Omnath, Locus of Creation.
Conventionally, the only place I see Form of the Dragon in Modern is the now-outdated Enduring Ideal deck, so no, Modern is too fast for Form of the Dragon.
Not really helping with that one particular deck, but I will say it's okay to have a bad matchup. Nearly all decks in magic history had a bad matchup. The few that didn't went tier 0 and got banned. I'm not seeing a whole lot of 4 color decks ATM also. So that's a plus.
But to help with the deck maybe adding in a few of the SB Karns would help. That'll increase your bridge count to effectively 7 and give you outs to other troubling cards. Such as finding needle vs PWs or Saga.
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This is a port over from a legacy deck I was tinkering with. I'm not very familiar with modern and still need to change a card to modern counterpart, sylvan library.
Goal: eliminate the opponent's ability to win. Bridge stops most creature decks, Sadistic sacrament removes any problematic removal for bridge. Chalice and discard slow combo decks until you can hit them with a liliana / sadistic.
This deck looks like a pile but it really requires a completely different style of play. The goal (as stated above) is simple, but it leads to really unintuitive lines of play.
I've been out of the magic scene since covid and am still not up to speed on all of the new cards, so I'd really like help optimizing it and to get some feedback.
Exile spells - 4
Discard - 7
Removal - 13
Draw - 3
Lock Pieces - 9
Lands - 24
Sideboard
Cards for consideration
Bitter ordeal is probably abusable with some sort of treasure tokens, I just don't know the best options yet.
I was really impressed with the deck in legacy however It hinges heavily on drawing bridge. I think it's probably going to be better in modern because modern is slower.
Adding blue was worth it because Snapcaster is a cheap way to recur either your removal, discard, or exile depending on the matchup. 1 of Jace is really good just because he fits the theme so well in denying them access to their outs.
I'd really like to get some input and ideas and possibly make this into a working deck.
Updated:11/28/2015
I advise replacing your sideboard Cranial Extraction with Necromentia because that better deals with both Tron and Boseiju, Who Endures and is one mana cheaper to boot.
Perhaps ironically, Modern has more aggro and faster aggro decks than Legacy right now. One of the premier aggro decks in Modern is Colossus Hammer Time, which aims to smash your face in for 10+ damage on Turn 2 and kill you on Turn 3. All your sideboard removal is too slow to deal with that deck, so your only early-game salvation is your targeted discard and your Abrupt Decay. Note that Pithing Needle cannot stop Colossus Hammer from getting forcibly attached to their creatures with Sigarda's Aid, and Chalice cannot stop all their creatures from being cast and especially cannot stop Urza's Saga (which provides both creatures and cheated-in Colossus Hammers). I advise cheaper removal in your sideboard as a result (e.g. Fatal Push, Engineered Explosives, Assassin's Trophy, Return to Nature, Boseiju, Who Endures).
Good luck, but I actually suspect that Modern is a more hostile environment for your deck than Legacy is.
This is really great feedback. Exactly what I was looking for. I think you may be right about that RWGU expensive brew. If I can't rely on bridge, maybe there is something else I can rely on. If not Id probably have to change the strategy. For example, against decks like 4c brew, their mana base may be the weak point. If white is the color giving me trouble, you eliminate all of the white sources of mana.
Without a detailed analysis (i just took 1 list) but it seems like only have the following lands to deal with:
Dealing with these 5 cards, actually deals with +/-18 cards, the main threats, Omnath, Locus of Creation, March of Otherworldly Light, Prismatic Ending, Teferi, Time Raveler[/cards],Solitude. I noticed that some also have abundant growth which presents a problem but can be dealt with using something like ghost quarter. I'm not saying that this will be a good or an easy match by any means but it may take a different approach.
TLDR: you've given god feedback and lots to consider, thanks. If you have recommendations on improvements, that'll help too. It may be that you're right about this being not very well positioned in the modern meta, but i'd like to explore it a little more.
EDIT* is modern slow enough to run something like form of the dragon and actually cast it without cheeating it into play? I could even switch to red over green maybe?
The trouble with assaulting lands with Sadistic Sacrament is that your opponent is very likely and highly incentivized to get lands that produce white mana in play before you can Sadistic Sacrament them out of their library, with the Triomes entering the battlefield tapped and the shocklands either entering the battlefield tapped or ripping out 2 of their life when they ETB. Throw in fetchlands such as Windswept Heath and even Misty Rainforest letting them sneak any such white-producing part-Plains (part-Island?) into play and I suspect assaulting their mana fixing is futile.
If you opt to go for the land destruction plan to ensure they stay off white mana, you now need to also Pithing Needle Wrenn and Six and kill Omnath, Locus of Creation.
Conventionally, the only place I see Form of the Dragon in Modern is the now-outdated Enduring Ideal deck, so no, Modern is too fast for Form of the Dragon.
But to help with the deck maybe adding in a few of the SB Karns would help. That'll increase your bridge count to effectively 7 and give you outs to other troubling cards. Such as finding needle vs PWs or Saga.