Something I've been wanting to try. I know Arcbound Ravager is the best artifact card ever in the game. But I want to try something different, and there's more answers to Ravager than Broodstar. But I know this could use some work. Here's what I'm thinking of thus far.
Needs help, I know. I think it has potential to be a fun left field deck. And as we know, let field is the best field. Any suggestions of what to take out or put in?
Special Thanks @D90Dennis14 I forgot some of the key artifact matter lands existence COMPLETELY. @Void_Nothing for rulings clarification. @Megatog201 for suggestions.
I've been play testing the current build on Tappedout but I wish I had someone to play with. I know MTGO requires me to use cash but does Apprentice work like Cockatrice use to?
Lightning Greaves is WAY too slow. It unequips Broodstar with Cranial Plating too. HE's also too big for most played single targeted removal such as Lightning Bolt, Fatal Push and he is a good target for Path to Exile. Thank you for the input, but Lightning Greaves doesn't warrant being in this deck.
It doesn't unequip anything. Just makes it the biggest threat on the board that cant be targeted. Also casting it the turn before you play broodstar actually speeds up your clock. Hardly too slow for the deck imo
Also you mention select spells that remove but not mentioning Jace and teferi as options to remove brood.
@void_Nothing: Wouldn't we be applying Damage Enchanting/quipped Blocked Targeted to Shroud? I can find neither support for or against it, but I would assume this is what would happen.
Broodstar has Cranial Plating. I now give it Lightning Greaves, which gives it Haste & Shroud which prevents me from targeting it with Spells & Abilities. Broodstar now has Haste & Shroud, due to him having Shroud and I can no longer target him, Cranial Plating falls off.
I know that's how Daybreak Coronet works. Say my Broodstar has Rancor and only Rancor, I try to give him Daybreak Coronet but you cast Disenchant on Rancor, my Rancor goes to GY (then my hand) and my Darybreak Coronet has no legal target, it in turn falls off and fizzles to the graveyard. That's the official ruling of Daybreak Coronet.
Not at all. Shroud is not protection, which is what DEBT is the mnemonic for. Shroud means something can't be the target of spells or abilities, plain and simple, so equipment that are already attached are unaffected.
@void_nothing: And who says I'm too old to learn at 32. Thanks, I thought if I gave my creature Shroud, DEBT would be applied and cause my equipment to fall off.
@Megatog201: I still find Lighting Greaves too slow, yes it gives haste, yes it's a tow drop with free equip cost. But it doesn't net me anything really. Most field[spot removal played like Dismember & Lightning Bolt are too small for Broodstar. Yes, Path to Exile, Doom Blade, & Go for the Throat can hit my beefy Broodstar as well as my equally dangerous Atog, Ravenous & Ornithopters.
Your example with daybreak is an issue of it has to be enchanting a creature with another enchantment on it. When the other enchantment falls off it is no longer legal to enchant it so falls off as a state based action.
That said greaves was just a suggestion. I used it to one shot people when rav was first released to place high at states. So I know how explosive it can be in the correct deck. If your deck isnt designed for it to be game breaking then it's a poor choice. I just know them tapping out to clear the board with wrath then you play brood or atog and equip can be game.
Id' say Inkmoth Nexus is almost mandatory. With just a few artifacts it can win the game in one turn. It's also an alternative win con for decks that are good at gaining life, or decks that play worship.
If you want to be really spicy, Whir of Invention could replace some number of Reverse Engineer - Ripping a second Master or Plating can be enough to end a game.
Hey I don't know if you are interested at all, but I when I was playing a Broodstar deck back in Mirrodin I was using Semblance Anvil (which got a lot of attention lately) in combination with Vedalken Archmage.
2x Atog
2x Ravenous Intruder
3x Memnite
3x Ornithopter
4x Broodstar
4x Master of Etherium
Sorceries/Instants 8
4x Thoughtcast
4x Reverse Engineer
Artifacts 19
2x Lightning Greaves
3x Chromatic Sphere
3x Chromatic Star
3x Ichor Wellspring
4x Cranial Plating
4x Mox Opal
3x Spire of Industry
4x Darksteel Citadel
4x Glimmervoid
4x Island
2x Naturalize
2x Nature's Claim
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Torpor Orb
3x Mindbreak Trap
4x Leyline of the Void
EDIT: Cards I took out.
1x Chromatic Star
1x Chromatic Sphere
1x Ichor Wellspring
4x Frogmite
2x Open the Vault
4x Terrarion
3x Flooded Strand
3x Hallowed Fountain
4x Negate
Needs help, I know. I think it has potential to be a fun left field deck. And as we know, let field is the best field. Any suggestions of what to take out or put in?
Update: I just remembered Chalice of the Void could wreck havoc on me. I traded Negate for Nature's Claim and Naturalize to off set Chalice on 1 and Chalice at 2
Special Thanks @D90Dennis14 I forgot some of the key artifact matter lands existence COMPLETELY. @Void_Nothing for rulings clarification. @Megatog201 for suggestions.
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Sai, Master Thopterist, Master of Etherium and Cranial Plating (too good to not play in a deck like this).
Also, Thoughtcast (or Reverse Engineer) is probably better in this deck than Thirst for Knowledge.
I'd drop Open the Vaults as it costs too much mana for this deck (and is the only white card here).
Also, playing the artifact matter lands would be good.
I'd start with: 4x Darksteel Citadel, 4x Glimmervoid, 4x Spire of Industry and fill the rest with some fastlands or creature-lands
(Blinkmoth Nexus/Inkmoth Nexus).
So clearly: Update to the deck, included a side deck too. I'm trying to make sure I can get around something annoying like Storm & Dredge.
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Also you mention select spells that remove but not mentioning Jace and teferi as options to remove brood.
Broodstar has Cranial Plating. I now give it Lightning Greaves, which gives it Haste & Shroud which prevents me from targeting it with Spells & Abilities. Broodstar now has Haste & Shroud, due to him having Shroud and I can no longer target him, Cranial Plating falls off.
I know that's how Daybreak Coronet works. Say my Broodstar has Rancor and only Rancor, I try to give him Daybreak Coronet but you cast Disenchant on Rancor, my Rancor goes to GY (then my hand) and my Darybreak Coronet has no legal target, it in turn falls off and fizzles to the graveyard. That's the official ruling of Daybreak Coronet.
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
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@Megatog201: I still find Lighting Greaves too slow, yes it gives haste, yes it's a tow drop with free equip cost. But it doesn't net me anything really. Most field[spot removal played like Dismember & Lightning Bolt are too small for Broodstar. Yes, Path to Exile, Doom Blade, & Go for the Throat can hit my beefy Broodstar as well as my equally dangerous Atog, Ravenous & Ornithopters.
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
That said greaves was just a suggestion. I used it to one shot people when rav was first released to place high at states. So I know how explosive it can be in the correct deck. If your deck isnt designed for it to be game breaking then it's a poor choice. I just know them tapping out to clear the board with wrath then you play brood or atog and equip can be game.
EDIT: I was toing with putting Nature's Claim in the sidebaord instead of Negate to take out Stony Silence and/or Chalice of the Void.
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
If you want to be really spicy, Whir of Invention could replace some number of Reverse Engineer - Ripping a second Master or Plating can be enough to end a game.
Nowadays it is possible to support this draw engine with Riddlesmith + Ovalchase Daredevil or Paradoxical Outcome and other cost reduction like Foundry Inspector. There are also ways to feed an Atog like the Combo of Sword of the Meek and Sly Requisitioner+ artifact sac outlet. If you get an Disciple of the Vault running beside that it directly hits my nostalgia feels.
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