So true. I am currently running 2 geists, and 3 mantis rider which are great steel of god head targets. Looking to get the new sphinx card as a 1 of.
Glad you found your "new" favorite thread ccc.
Mantis rider is great too. Have you seen that guy on youtube playing the jeskai angel (forgot her name i think lightning angel?) the 4 mana one? He plays 4 of her along side geist
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Opt is great dont get me wrong but peek is better if you are doing the opt/SV split.
This is my line of reasoning, lets say with opt you scry top 50% of the time and scry bottom 50% of the time.
If you scry top 50% of the time then %50 percent of the time it is a strictly worse peek bc you are essentially only drawing the top card therefore a peek would provid you with 100% of what opt did in this instance.
Lets say you scry bottom, you still end up drawing a blind card however now youre two cards deeper in your deck or two cards closer to the card youre looking for, given you didnt draw it. In this respect peek is still 50% of opt because it only drew one card therefore putting you 1 card deeper in the deck or one card closer to the card youre searching for. But how important is this in a format of fetches and path to exiles well that would depend on information you have which leads to my next point. The fact stands that peek will always at minimum give you 50% of what opt would and at best give you 100% of what opt would and in addition to the "peek" aspect.
Opt does not provide any information that would increase the success of your next few lines of play. Given that peek will always provide at least 50% of what opt does it still has a whole other facet to it that opt doesnt and that is information. Peek gives you very very valuable information especially for a tempo or control deck. Information that will certainly help your next 2-3 lines of play.
Serum visions is in a league of its own and in my opinion a completely different card than both of these. though it must be said it too provides you good information given that you scry'd to the top. If you scry'd both bot all it did was get you 3 cards closer to your desired card which is 150% of what opt can do in this respect. If you scry'd top like i said your next couple lines of play can be more thought out and coupled with peek a SV is a serious amount of information, now you know your next 2 draws and your opponents hand. This is a very potent combination.
I am glad you decided to give it a try again because I really feel Peek/SV package is more potent than opt/SV. and i can imagine a peek/opt/sv package to be pretty good as well. .
one instance where i feel peek shines is in deciding the best moment to cast Geist in this scenario peek is very very good.
not to mention the synergy peek has with snappy and clique in particular.
I'm not convinced about peek. When I weigh "more information" vs "better draw", I typically want to control my hand more than I care about the exacts of what are in my opponent's. The earlier in the game, the more I care about the information, but the less I care about that extra card.
For cantrips 9+ I could see running Peek, but it doesn't directly impact the game-state so, unless you are running a ton of permission, isn't it basically just a Reach Through Mists?
In fairness, if you are running Sphinx of Foresight the scry on the cantrip is often irrelevant anyway, so more information might just be better.
On that note, has anyone tried Dovin, Grand Arbiter yet? I have been incredibly impressed with his performance on Arena, and wondering if he could have impact for us. I find that, at minimum, he will make 3 thopters, and at best, can just stack up a win. Either one is reasonable. And even if he gets removed or countered, that is less removal for the few actual threats we run.
I feel it does directly impact the game state in that it can save you spells youd otherwise waste such as bolting a bird or saving a counter spell for a blood moon instead of a creature.
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Discussing cantrips is always the best . Just to state my position: If I could, I would run 7-10 copies of Opt in my Deck It plays so smoothly when your trying keep up mana most of the time, and also is fantastic at finding your stuff exactly when you need it.
@ccc: I think that you are right about some possible benefits of running SV & Peek, but I don't agree with some of your reasoning. Having knowledge about your draws and your opponents hand surely might help to sequence your plays more advantageously. However, not being able to control the draw off your cantrip is a huge downside. There are so many match-ups in modern where you just need to find your removals/counters/threats very quickly and flexibly. Neither Peek nor SV get that job done very well. SV sees more cards than opt, but doesn't give you a controlled draw untill your next draw. Aditionally, it's not very flexible because it's a sorcery. By that I mean, that you have to spend mana on your turn and that you might find yourself scrying during your turn, and then regretting it during your opponents turn. Sure, you can mitigate these downsides IF you have Peek in hand, but you can't rely on having them both in hand. Plus, Peek gets so much worse if you have multiple copies in your hand.
Another point I disagree with you is your whole comparison of Peek and Opt in %. I for one definitely don't scry to the top 50% of the times I cast Opt. Usually, I have a more or less specific idea on what I'd want to draw. Even when I'm just casting it to be mana efficient, I put the card to the top in 40% of the cases at most. When I'm digging for something very specific, the amount of times where a blind draw is equal to Opt drops drastically.
In the end I think it's important to keep in mind that there isn't a "strictly better/worse". Magic has so many sources of variance, including what deck you're playing. Variance vastly affects how well certain cards perform. I don't know your decklist, but it's totally possible that SV and Peek work best for you, even thogh I disagree with your assessment from my point of view. I might give Peek another try as one of since it's been a while since I last played it.
I gave out an arbitrary number as a percentage. If you scry top %40, %30 or even %20 of the time than the fact remains that peek will give you at least that bc it always draws from the top. So if you scry to top %40 of the time, then %40 of the times youve cast opt, peek would have been strictly better bc it also draws from the top while giving you more information. That is all I am saying.
Furthermore, I firmly believe for tempo style decks like mine (especially queller builds), using your spells as efficiently as possible is extremely important and this is achieved with information.
It has been the case in my experience knowing that my opponent had nothing in hand I needed to worry about so i could save the bolt for another target apart from the bird, it has also been the case where I was going to logic knot a chandra had I not played peek first to see a back breaking blood moon I needed to logic knot instead. It helps with many other decisions as well such as if you need to hold onto your spell queller and use a logic knot instead or if spell queller is in the clear and can go all in. In my case peek has helped turn the corner and go in extremely aggressive as well as play very conservatively and defensively. Nothing feels as good as seeing a hand with no removal and happily spell quelling a liliana of the veil and proceed to fly in 2-3 turns.
But you are completely right. It all depends on style of deck, play, thought processes etc. None of these will ever be strictly better than the other at all times.
@ccc: Thanks for further clarifying your point. I see how peek has really given you an edge in comparison with other cantrips in those scenarios. I tested Peek a year ago in my list (more on the aggro side of the tempo spectrum wit lots of one-drops). Since I've changed my list to a more flash-style deck, Peek may be much better for me now than it was back then. However, I'm just not a fan of SV in my Delver list. I play it, but I'm always slightly unhappy with it because of the reasons stated in my last post. I've played it in more midrangey decks (Temur good stuff and GDS) where I was very pleased with SV. I think it's just better in decks with individually more powerful cards, which is probably true for your list compared to my low to the ground delver deck.
I have to agree with your opinion on SV. I think like i said earlier that SV is just a different card then opt or peek. Its just simply a different card almost incomparable.. almost.
But I to have felt the disappointment of SV often, too often.
But it is the deepest digger that we have available at that mana price. Which is in part most likely the reason its played. I wish ponder was unbanned bc I would replace SV with it in the blink of an eye.
But the reason I like SV/opt or peek/SV is because of its ability to dig so much deeper than both cards.
I have thought for some time now howver that perhaps I dont know how to play SV effectively and should probably watch some pro matches and study proper timing bc that i feel is where I make the error the most
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I think the answer we are looking for is a card that does not exist.
An instant speed 1 drop that gives us an option of - scry 1, or look at opponent's hand, or draw a card. when you cast this spell pick 2 choices.
I have not used peek. When I have played black decks I would use cards like peek/grab inquisition often. just to get information. In this case the information was more important than re-fueling the deck. I find that with jeskia re-fueling is as important as laying out or handling threats.
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FNM, I drafted angelic exaltation and sphinx of foresight. I also got the flying lizard too.
Angelic Exaltation was reallly good. It might be worth testing in a Pyromancer deck. Every game I got it out I won. It ability activates on the attack phase so you can load up a board with guys and still push damage thru while holding back blockers.
Sphinx felt great, got to use the scry 3 to fix my draws. The scry trigger (when I remembered it) was truely helpful turned a 4 mana top card flood draw into a 2 mana top card flood. What Im trying to say instead of drawing a plains card for 4 turns in a row I only lost 2 turns to bad top card draws.
After playing with the Flying Salamander I am not sure it will work in our deck. For those of us that play the long game and have 5-6 mana it may fit fine. For those of use trying to win with a fast 3-4 mana it may fall short. The 8 mana to adapt it may be too much.
I was playing 4x Serum Visions all the time even after Opt became legal because I think it's the best card to flip Delver. I only run 22 enablers and still flip Delver reliably thanks to that card. In my opinion a deck with 4x SV and 22 enablers flips Delver more often than a deck with 25 enablers that only runs Opt. That being said, I changed my deck 8 days ago to this:
And after a week of playing with the 3x SV & 2x Opt split I have to say that I think it's perfect for my deck!
I am still very happy with the 2x Sphinx of Foresight. Played 9 matches this week on MTGO and won 7, 2 of them thanks to Sphinx (Scry helped me find RiP against Dredge and Anger against GB Elves). At FNM I had to play against 3 Jeskai decks during 3 rounds and went 3-0
Two opponents were playing the usual Jeskai Control lists with Teferi, one was playing the Japanese Gideon & Chance for Glory list.
All three matches were very challenging but the wins were pretty clear. Control really struggles against a hasty Geist that attacks for 8 thanks to Stronghold and agsinst Geist & Elspeth combined.
I also really think that 16-17 threats are the best for our decks. It's the right number to always have at least one threat in play to pressure the opponent while still having enough instants to interact with the opponent.
Hi all. Sorry I have been off for a second. My little one got sick (nothing serious).
I am a huge fan of Opt so I am currently running a 3/3 split between opt and serum visions. I am also running two faithless looting and they have been very good lately. I couldn't really find a place to fit Peek into the deck because I really like the deck manipulation.
Echoing Truth is a great card if you are playing a more tempo or aggro-control style build. It's awesome because it deals with problem style permanents that can slow us down like Chalice of the Void, Worship, Blood Moon, etc. It can deal with big creatures (especially the dredge ones), but most importantly it works well against tokens.
I agree Stevomat. . I like a threat count of 15-17 threats. It's super important to have a threat. I will take a picture of the deck I am playing as well and will upload. I always love seeing the pictures of the list.
I don't have much to add because I haven't been playing a ton lately, but I will let you guys know how this week goes.
Echoing Truth is just a very good card. Exactly for the reasons stated by MrTzoulis and CurdBros
@MrTzoulis:
I played 1-3 Boros Charms for almost 2 years until I finally cut the last one for the 4th copy of Helix almost a year ago.
Charm was good and I loved killing Lillys with it but in my deck the priority is to get rid of all possible blockers and that's why I am running 12 burn/removal spells that can all hit creatures. In this creature-deck-heavy meta Helix is just better than Charm imo. And of course it also improves the Burn match up. Yesterday I obliterated the new Vannifar Pod deck 2-0.
Wow looks like I need to start playing echoing truth more now. I may trim a Helix for it. 1/2 split truth/helix.. Or should I trim a cryptic command down to 2 cryptics..hmmmm options.
Ive thought of adding the card but opted for more strict removal but I can see it is a great tempo play.
Thanks guys!
And Curdbros hope your little one feels better and is back at 100% very soon!
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Wow looks like I need to start playing echoing truth more now. I may trim a Helix for it. 1/2 split truth/helix.. Or should I trim a cryptic command down to 2 cryptics..hmmmm options.
Ive thought of adding the card but opted for more strict removal but I can see it is a great tempo play.
Thanks guys!
And Curdbros hope your little one feels better and is back at 100% very soon!
Thanks CCC. He got a dreaded shot at the doctor's office and is doing much better.
I do highly recommend a copy of echoing truth. I honestly think the one of echoing truth is our most effective addition to the deck. It's starting to pop up on some deck lists and I do believe it started here.
Stevomat- I too had to cut my boros charm to make room for faithless looting. It is really good when there is a bunch of control/midrange in the meta and that is not the current meta. When the meta has more control/midrange then all three modes are good on boros charm - 4 damage to a planeswalker/player, indestructible for combat and sweepers, and double strike for additional damage and or combat trick. Right now it's mostly just 4 damage to the face.
Now that our last card we argued for is modern playable- Opt, I am starting a new political campaign for the next card I want to see in modern which is.....Daze. It would definitely be very good, but I don't think it would be broken. We would definitely have to play it in Death's Shadow to make sure it's not too good. I think Daze would really open up some new strategies in modern and would help slow down the meta a tad with all of the super aggressive and combo oriented builds. I will be writing to WOTC just like I did with Opt. I have no idea if my emails helped, but they definitely responded each time and let me know that it went to the design team. I also think it would be a great addition to the first modern only set which they are currently thinking about according to twitter. It would be a set with mostly reprints, but also a few new cards that go directly into modern without going through standard.
Oh wow i didnt know that this set was being thought of. How exciting honestly.
Hmm well I think daze would be great but what about ponder? I feel its not at all too powerful for modern and would be just fine in modern and I think I would like ponder more than daze. Though ill take whichever as long as its one or the other. Perhaps you could make a case for both on an either/or bases.
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On a scale of 1 to 10 for cantrips, with 1 being the worst that's ever existed and 10 being Ancestral Recall, Ponder is an 8-8.5 and Brainstorm is 9-9.5.
Don't ever expect to see Ponder again in modern. The best you're gonna get is Preordain and that's debatable with phoenix decks being as good as they are. A critical mass of (good) cantrips can be a dangerous thing.
Thanks for sharing the pictures. I love to see these. I need to do the same. I will get a picture of my deck on here tomorrow. Your deck looks sweet. I always love seeing the personal touches on a deck. I feel like our deck has approximately 4-5 "flex slots" where you can really put your own personal touch on the deck.
CCC and Mr Tzoulis- I agree with you guys. I would LOVE to have access to Ponder, but I highly doubt it will ever be unbanned in modern. I still think Preordain would be fine in modern and I do think it will be unbanned someday. For now I am ok with the cantrips we have, but I think counter magic is just not strong enough in modern. The spells that are strong enough like Spell Pierce, Ceremonious Rejection, etc are super linear. Daze would smooth out the counter magic available in modern. I haven't tested it yet so I should probably do so before I make too many assumptions about it.
Hi WickedApp,
Thanks for sharing the pictures!
The deck looks sweet. The only thing I don't like is the land count.
You're running 12 CMC3-4 cards and only 19 lands. I think the deck needs at least 20 lands.
Btw, there was a Modern tournament last weekend where a Jeskai Geist list with 22 lands made 3rd place! Face to Face Open Vancouver
The list looks close to the some lists we're posting here. Too sad that it was beaten by a Titan deck.
Thats awesome. that sucks that he lost to titan though my win % vs titan and Gx tron decks is probably the highest vs any other deck. I find that disrupting their little spells to be the most effective. Like Gx tron I focus on countering their chromatic stars and lanterns. This is of course a pure tempo play but it gets us enough time to squeeze out the win, the same method is applied to titan shift, dont wait to counter their titan, just counter their tribe elders and ancient stirrings and youll be fine because they wont waste their pact of negation to defend a tribe elder or stirrings so your counters will fo the most part go uncontested. This may seem obvious but ive seen many control players not use this method.
or you can just run 2 alpine moon SB and never worry again about that match up.
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Glad you found your "new" favorite thread ccc.
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This is my line of reasoning, lets say with opt you scry top 50% of the time and scry bottom 50% of the time.
If you scry top 50% of the time then %50 percent of the time it is a strictly worse peek bc you are essentially only drawing the top card therefore a peek would provid you with 100% of what opt did in this instance.
Lets say you scry bottom, you still end up drawing a blind card however now youre two cards deeper in your deck or two cards closer to the card youre looking for, given you didnt draw it. In this respect peek is still 50% of opt because it only drew one card therefore putting you 1 card deeper in the deck or one card closer to the card youre searching for. But how important is this in a format of fetches and path to exiles well that would depend on information you have which leads to my next point. The fact stands that peek will always at minimum give you 50% of what opt would and at best give you 100% of what opt would and in addition to the "peek" aspect.
Opt does not provide any information that would increase the success of your next few lines of play. Given that peek will always provide at least 50% of what opt does it still has a whole other facet to it that opt doesnt and that is information. Peek gives you very very valuable information especially for a tempo or control deck. Information that will certainly help your next 2-3 lines of play.
Serum visions is in a league of its own and in my opinion a completely different card than both of these. though it must be said it too provides you good information given that you scry'd to the top. If you scry'd both bot all it did was get you 3 cards closer to your desired card which is 150% of what opt can do in this respect. If you scry'd top like i said your next couple lines of play can be more thought out and coupled with peek a SV is a serious amount of information, now you know your next 2 draws and your opponents hand. This is a very potent combination.
I am glad you decided to give it a try again because I really feel Peek/SV package is more potent than opt/SV. and i can imagine a peek/opt/sv package to be pretty good as well. .
one instance where i feel peek shines is in deciding the best moment to cast Geist in this scenario peek is very very good.
not to mention the synergy peek has with snappy and clique in particular.
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For cantrips 9+ I could see running Peek, but it doesn't directly impact the game-state so, unless you are running a ton of permission, isn't it basically just a Reach Through Mists?
In fairness, if you are running Sphinx of Foresight the scry on the cantrip is often irrelevant anyway, so more information might just be better.
On that note, has anyone tried Dovin, Grand Arbiter yet? I have been incredibly impressed with his performance on Arena, and wondering if he could have impact for us. I find that, at minimum, he will make 3 thopters, and at best, can just stack up a win. Either one is reasonable. And even if he gets removed or countered, that is less removal for the few actual threats we run.
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@ccc: I think that you are right about some possible benefits of running SV & Peek, but I don't agree with some of your reasoning. Having knowledge about your draws and your opponents hand surely might help to sequence your plays more advantageously. However, not being able to control the draw off your cantrip is a huge downside. There are so many match-ups in modern where you just need to find your removals/counters/threats very quickly and flexibly. Neither Peek nor SV get that job done very well. SV sees more cards than opt, but doesn't give you a controlled draw untill your next draw. Aditionally, it's not very flexible because it's a sorcery. By that I mean, that you have to spend mana on your turn and that you might find yourself scrying during your turn, and then regretting it during your opponents turn. Sure, you can mitigate these downsides IF you have Peek in hand, but you can't rely on having them both in hand. Plus, Peek gets so much worse if you have multiple copies in your hand.
Another point I disagree with you is your whole comparison of Peek and Opt in %. I for one definitely don't scry to the top 50% of the times I cast Opt. Usually, I have a more or less specific idea on what I'd want to draw. Even when I'm just casting it to be mana efficient, I put the card to the top in 40% of the cases at most. When I'm digging for something very specific, the amount of times where a blind draw is equal to Opt drops drastically.
In the end I think it's important to keep in mind that there isn't a "strictly better/worse". Magic has so many sources of variance, including what deck you're playing. Variance vastly affects how well certain cards perform. I don't know your decklist, but it's totally possible that SV and Peek work best for you, even thogh I disagree with your assessment from my point of view. I might give Peek another try as one of since it's been a while since I last played it.
I gave out an arbitrary number as a percentage. If you scry top %40, %30 or even %20 of the time than the fact remains that peek will give you at least that bc it always draws from the top. So if you scry to top %40 of the time, then %40 of the times youve cast opt, peek would have been strictly better bc it also draws from the top while giving you more information. That is all I am saying.
Furthermore, I firmly believe for tempo style decks like mine (especially queller builds), using your spells as efficiently as possible is extremely important and this is achieved with information.
It has been the case in my experience knowing that my opponent had nothing in hand I needed to worry about so i could save the bolt for another target apart from the bird, it has also been the case where I was going to logic knot a chandra had I not played peek first to see a back breaking blood moon I needed to logic knot instead. It helps with many other decisions as well such as if you need to hold onto your spell queller and use a logic knot instead or if spell queller is in the clear and can go all in. In my case peek has helped turn the corner and go in extremely aggressive as well as play very conservatively and defensively. Nothing feels as good as seeing a hand with no removal and happily spell quelling a liliana of the veil and proceed to fly in 2-3 turns.
But you are completely right. It all depends on style of deck, play, thought processes etc. None of these will ever be strictly better than the other at all times.
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But I to have felt the disappointment of SV often, too often.
But it is the deepest digger that we have available at that mana price. Which is in part most likely the reason its played. I wish ponder was unbanned bc I would replace SV with it in the blink of an eye.
But the reason I like SV/opt or peek/SV is because of its ability to dig so much deeper than both cards.
I have thought for some time now howver that perhaps I dont know how to play SV effectively and should probably watch some pro matches and study proper timing bc that i feel is where I make the error the most
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An instant speed 1 drop that gives us an option of - scry 1, or look at opponent's hand, or draw a card. when you cast this spell pick 2 choices.
I have not used peek. When I have played black decks I would use cards like peek/grab inquisition often. just to get information. In this case the information was more important than re-fueling the deck. I find that with jeskia re-fueling is as important as laying out or handling threats.
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FNM, I drafted angelic exaltation and sphinx of foresight. I also got the flying lizard too.
Angelic Exaltation was reallly good. It might be worth testing in a Pyromancer deck. Every game I got it out I won. It ability activates on the attack phase so you can load up a board with guys and still push damage thru while holding back blockers.
Sphinx felt great, got to use the scry 3 to fix my draws. The scry trigger (when I remembered it) was truely helpful turned a 4 mana top card flood draw into a 2 mana top card flood. What Im trying to say instead of drawing a plains card for 4 turns in a row I only lost 2 turns to bad top card draws.
After playing with the Flying Salamander I am not sure it will work in our deck. For those of us that play the long game and have 5-6 mana it may fit fine. For those of use trying to win with a fast 3-4 mana it may fall short. The 8 mana to adapt it may be too much.
I was playing 4x Serum Visions all the time even after Opt became legal because I think it's the best card to flip Delver. I only run 22 enablers and still flip Delver reliably thanks to that card. In my opinion a deck with 4x SV and 22 enablers flips Delver more often than a deck with 25 enablers that only runs Opt. That being said, I changed my deck 8 days ago to this:
And after a week of playing with the 3x SV & 2x Opt split I have to say that I think it's perfect for my deck!
I am still very happy with the 2x Sphinx of Foresight. Played 9 matches this week on MTGO and won 7, 2 of them thanks to Sphinx (Scry helped me find RiP against Dredge and Anger against GB Elves). At FNM I had to play against 3 Jeskai decks during 3 rounds and went 3-0
Two opponents were playing the usual Jeskai Control lists with Teferi, one was playing the Japanese Gideon & Chance for Glory list.
All three matches were very challenging but the wins were pretty clear. Control really struggles against a hasty Geist that attacks for 8 thanks to Stronghold and agsinst Geist & Elspeth combined.
I also really think that 16-17 threats are the best for our decks. It's the right number to always have at least one threat in play to pressure the opponent while still having enough instants to interact with the opponent.
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Why not a boros charm in place of the 4th helix?
(sidenote: god I hate those altered delvers )
I am a huge fan of Opt so I am currently running a 3/3 split between opt and serum visions. I am also running two faithless looting and they have been very good lately. I couldn't really find a place to fit Peek into the deck because I really like the deck manipulation.
Echoing Truth is a great card if you are playing a more tempo or aggro-control style build. It's awesome because it deals with problem style permanents that can slow us down like Chalice of the Void, Worship, Blood Moon, etc. It can deal with big creatures (especially the dredge ones), but most importantly it works well against tokens.
I agree Stevomat. . I like a threat count of 15-17 threats. It's super important to have a threat. I will take a picture of the deck I am playing as well and will upload. I always love seeing the pictures of the list.
I don't have much to add because I haven't been playing a ton lately, but I will let you guys know how this week goes.
@MrTzoulis:
I played 1-3 Boros Charms for almost 2 years until I finally cut the last one for the 4th copy of Helix almost a year ago.
Charm was good and I loved killing Lillys with it but in my deck the priority is to get rid of all possible blockers and that's why I am running 12 burn/removal spells that can all hit creatures. In this creature-deck-heavy meta Helix is just better than Charm imo. And of course it also improves the Burn match up. Yesterday I obliterated the new Vannifar Pod deck 2-0.
(sidenote: god I love my altered delvers :p)
Ive thought of adding the card but opted for more strict removal but I can see it is a great tempo play.
Thanks guys!
And Curdbros hope your little one feels better and is back at 100% very soon!
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Thanks CCC. He got a dreaded shot at the doctor's office and is doing much better.
I do highly recommend a copy of echoing truth. I honestly think the one of echoing truth is our most effective addition to the deck. It's starting to pop up on some deck lists and I do believe it started here.
Stevomat- I too had to cut my boros charm to make room for faithless looting. It is really good when there is a bunch of control/midrange in the meta and that is not the current meta. When the meta has more control/midrange then all three modes are good on boros charm - 4 damage to a planeswalker/player, indestructible for combat and sweepers, and double strike for additional damage and or combat trick. Right now it's mostly just 4 damage to the face.
Now that our last card we argued for is modern playable- Opt, I am starting a new political campaign for the next card I want to see in modern which is.....Daze. It would definitely be very good, but I don't think it would be broken. We would definitely have to play it in Death's Shadow to make sure it's not too good. I think Daze would really open up some new strategies in modern and would help slow down the meta a tad with all of the super aggressive and combo oriented builds. I will be writing to WOTC just like I did with Opt. I have no idea if my emails helped, but they definitely responded each time and let me know that it went to the design team. I also think it would be a great addition to the first modern only set which they are currently thinking about according to twitter. It would be a set with mostly reprints, but also a few new cards that go directly into modern without going through standard.
Hmm well I think daze would be great but what about ponder? I feel its not at all too powerful for modern and would be just fine in modern and I think I would like ponder more than daze. Though ill take whichever as long as its one or the other. Perhaps you could make a case for both on an either/or bases.
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Ponder is an 8-8.5 and Brainstorm is 9-9.5.
Don't ever expect to see Ponder again in modern. The best you're gonna get is Preordain and that's debatable with phoenix decks being as good as they are. A critical mass of (good) cantrips can be a dangerous thing.
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Thanks for sharing the pictures. I love to see these. I need to do the same. I will get a picture of my deck on here tomorrow. Your deck looks sweet. I always love seeing the personal touches on a deck. I feel like our deck has approximately 4-5 "flex slots" where you can really put your own personal touch on the deck.
CCC and Mr Tzoulis- I agree with you guys. I would LOVE to have access to Ponder, but I highly doubt it will ever be unbanned in modern. I still think Preordain would be fine in modern and I do think it will be unbanned someday. For now I am ok with the cantrips we have, but I think counter magic is just not strong enough in modern. The spells that are strong enough like Spell Pierce, Ceremonious Rejection, etc are super linear. Daze would smooth out the counter magic available in modern. I haven't tested it yet so I should probably do so before I make too many assumptions about it.
I tried running 2 snapcasters before and I felt that 4 snapcasters is what allows us to run single, and double spells and still be consistent.
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Thanks for sharing the pictures!
The deck looks sweet. The only thing I don't like is the land count.
You're running 12 CMC3-4 cards and only 19 lands. I think the deck needs at least 20 lands.
Btw, there was a Modern tournament last weekend where a Jeskai Geist list with 22 lands made 3rd place!
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The list looks close to the some lists we're posting here. Too sad that it was beaten by a Titan deck.
or you can just run 2 alpine moon SB and never worry again about that match up.
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