I decided that Student of Warfare was too mana-intensive to level up, preferring the Exalted abilities of Noble Hierarch. I also lowered the sword package since I have no way to tutor for them in exchange for more permanent control like Qasali Pridemage and Oblivion Ring. Phyrexian Metamorph is Knight Exemplar 5-6 or a legendary creature killer. Sun Titan is for recursion.
I decided that Student of Warfare was too mana-intensive to level up, preferring the Exalted abilities of Noble Hierarch. I also lowered the sword package since I have no way to tutor for them in exchange for more permanent control like Qasali Pridemage and Oblivion Ring. Phyrexian Metamorph is Knight Exemplar 5-6 or a legendary creature killer. Sun Titan is for recursion.
The deck looks like it might empty your hand very quickly and I like that you packed 4 Horizon canopy in anticipation of this.
I actually felt that with the mana ramp from Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare might be useful here and you will also have more one drop creatures to Vial in.
For the land base, i will go for 2x Marsh Flats and 2x Verdant Catacombs because the deck is very W intensive and 2x Verdants should be able to ensure you can get a first turn Hierarch. By the way once you play a single Temple Garden it doesnt matter which combination of fetches you want to choose.
The deck looks like it might empty your hand very quickly and I like that you packed 4 Horizon canopy in anticipation of this.[/card]
I patterned that after I got advice from an old GW aggro deck of mine. It is currently the only "good" way to draw for this deck and helps with Knight of the Reliquary. I also noticed the current GW Knight decks in this thread have also used it.
I actually felt that with the mana ramp from Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare might be useful here and you will also have more one drop creatures to Vial in.
I'll have to play around with this and play some games with it. I am treating this deck as "Knight-aggro," so I'm trying to use cards that support themselves. Student is a base 1/1 that does not have any attributes until WW is spent. I view that the WW mana may be spent on another Knight instead. Noble Hierarch is used for Exalted and casting more Knights and into Sun Titan, if Noble Hierarch is not eliminated.
Knight of Meadowgrain is my only life gainer, so I prefer to use 4 to slow down an aggro-burn deck. (I'm not expecting to win that matchup often.)
For the land base, i will go for 2x Marsh Flats and 2x Verdant Catacombs because the deck is very W intensive and 2x Verdants should be able to ensure you can get a first turn Hierarch. By the way once you play a single Temple Garden it doesnt matter which combination of fetches you want to choose.
Thanks for that. I'm looking to buy some Marsh Flats. Temple Garden is unfortunately too expensive on the retail and auction market for my budget, even for a one-of.
I patterned that after I got advice from an old GW aggro deck of mine. It is currently the only "good" way to draw for this deck and helps with Knight of the Reliquary. I also noticed the current GW Knight decks in this thread have also used it.
Yup, Horizon Canopy is really good by letting you do all the digging and refilling hand etc, and it also has synergy with Knight of the White Orchid (basically any land that sacrifice or replace itself has synergy with KotWO lol).
I'll have to play around with this as a play some games with it. I am treating this deck as "Knight-aggro," so I'm trying to use cards that support themselves. Student is a base 1/1 that does not have any attributes until WW is spent. I view that the WW mana may be spent on another Knight instead. Noble Hierarch is used for Exalted and casting more Knights and into Sun Titan, if Noble Hierarch is not eliminated.
Knight of Meadowgrain is my only life gainer, so I prefer to use 4 to slow down an aggro-burn deck. (I'm not expecting to win that matchup often.)
Thanks for that. I'm looking to buy some Marsh Flats. Temple Garden is unfortunately too expensive on the retail and auction market for my budget, even for a one-of.
Yeah, now is really a bad time to buy shocks. Luckily i got most of the white based shocks.
I'm actually keen to try Noble Hierarch for the speed it provides so i'm quite keen to know how you deck works out. Too bad i didn't managed to get it before the spike.
By the way what do you think of Spellskite against Combo. Does it works at all?
Yup, Horizon Canopy is really good by letting you do all the digging and refilling hand etc, and it also has synergy with Knight of the White Orchid (basically any land that sacrifice or replace itself has synergy with KotWO lol).
You raise a good point that I have not thought about. Reduce my land count only to replenish with KotWO. Nice observation!
Yes, that was my intention. I haven't defined a sideboard yet, since I don't know what my local meta is like. I have not been in any tournaments. In terms of casual playing, it's mostly been creatures hitting me, so I need to slow the life loss down. I definitely have considered Brave the Elements as MD/SB to protect my creatures.
Yeah, now is really a bad time to buy shocks. Luckily i got most of the white based shocks. I'm actually keen to try Noble Hierarch for the speed it provides so i'm quite keen to know how you deck works out. Too bad i didn't managed to get it before the spike.
LOL. You have shocklands before the price spike, and I have Noble Hierarchs before the price spike. This Knight deck doesn't need a full playset of Temple Gardens, but having 3-4 Noble Hierarch is needed if you go that route. Again, I haven't gone to any tournaments with this, so I cannot provide any deck data for this. I'm actually waiting for a local store to offer Modern sanctioned tournaments and then I can try it out. For now, the deck is confined to casual games and theoretical tournament musings on my part.
By the way what do you think of Spellskite against Combo. Does it works at all?
I have to agree with user Pumbelo above. While I am no Magic expert, I do know that the basic strategy of combo is to resolve cards with powerful synergies that often are non-interactive. Against combo decks, Gaddock Teeg, Rule of Law, and Ethersworn Canonist are strong anti-combo cards to use for this deck. If this was a tournament game, I would have some of these cards in the SB.
Spellskite might be useful to protect Knight Exemplar from targeted spells and abilities, but since Spellskite is a Horror type, I don't know if it fits in this deck.
If only there was a Knight card that actually had a built-in control ability. :/
In my opinion, Wilt-Leaf Liege does not offer enough for its casting cost. The Knights in my deck are mostly white, so they would only get +1/+1. I would pick Hero of Bladehold over Wilt-Leaf Liege for a 4 CMC card. In my deck, I keep most cards below 3 CMC, so Sun Titan can retrieve them.
Spellskite does not work against combo, since most combo decks don't win by casting spells that can target creatures. Hive Mind doesn't care, Pyromancer Ascension doesn't care, etc.
Thanks for the advice. I'm really poor with things like this. Besides i always auto scoop to Hive Mind in legacy by turn 3-4. However i was able to beat sneak attack & Show & Tell decks in my LGS tournaments.
Wilt-Leaf Liege is a little slow, Eriol has pointed out better alternatives at 4cc. I prefer Elspeth at 4cc. However I suspect the Liege will be more suitable against Zoo than Hero of Bladehold.
Yes, that was my intention. I haven't defined a sideboard yet, since I don't know what my local meta is like. I have not been in any tournaments. In terms of casual playing, it's mostly been creatures hitting me, so I need to slow the life loss down. I definitely have considered Brave the Elements as MD/SB to protect my creatures.
Players in my area is still taking a wait and see approach before going into modern so I dont even know if there is a meta in the first place! I should be able to find a few players in the coming few weeks or so. Actually i also thought about using Brave in the Main deck but that will be meta dependent obviously.
LOL. You have shocklands before the price spike, and I have Noble Hierarchs before the price spike. This Knight deck doesn't need a full playset of Temple Gardens, but having 3-4 Noble Hierarch is needed if you go that route. Again, I haven't gone to any tournaments with this, so I cannot provide any deck data for this. I'm actually waiting for a local store to offer Modern sanctioned tournaments and then I can try it out. For now, the deck is confined to casual games and theoretical tournament musings on my part.
What to do...we cant possibly go out and buy everything that's why we are in this predicament now...
That's right, one or two Temple Garden will suffice. I'll get a playset of Hierarchs as soon as the price stablise - not sure when it'll happen though...
If Innistrad manage to comes up with usuable card drawing tool for G/W i'll be fully behind the ramp for Hierarchs. No chance Momentous fall will work here? I play it in my Type 2 G Ramp with moderate success.
I have to agree with user Pumbelo above. While I am no Magic expert, I do know that the basic strategy of combo is to resolve cards with powerful synergies that often are non-interactive. Against combo decks, Gaddock Teeg, Rule of Law, and Ethersworn Canonist are strong anti-combo cards to use for this deck. If this was a tournament game, I would have some of these cards in the SB.
Spellskite might be useful to protect Knight Exemplar from targeted spells and abilities, but since Spellskite is a Horror type, I don't know if it fits in this deck.
If only there was a Knight card that actually had a built-in control ability. :/
Sorry i'm really bad with combo decks. Most time I dont even bother to see how they dredge or Storm. It is just terribly boring.
There is a chance Spellskite might works here just like it is played in Puresteel decks to protect it's key creatures.
Yes we need more support from WotC for Knights! Too bad they are moving back to soldiers again.:rolleyes:
In my opinion, Wilt-Leaf Liege does not offer enough for its casting cost. The Knights in my deck are mostly white, so they would only get +1/+1. I would pick Hero of Bladehold over Wilt-Leaf Liege for a 4 CMC card. In my deck, I keep most cards below 3 CMC, so Sun Titan can retrieve them.
+1 here. Unless the whole meta is going crazy with discard then i might pack 4 in my main board lol.
If Innistrad manage to comes up with usuable card drawing tool for G/W i'll be fully behind the ramp for Hierarchs. No chance Momentous fall will work here? I play it in my Type 2 G Ramp with moderate success.
I have never tried this. My opinion on Momentous Fall is that it works best with a token generator like Elspeth, Knight Errant or Hero of Bladehold. Defensively, you could cast it in response to one of your cards being destroyed or exiled. But, I probably wouldn't use it in this deck.
I have also looked into Hunter's Insight as a draw engine, but it is too conditional. The opponent may destroy whatever creature I was targeting, so I lose a card. If I were to put any other card draw in this deck, it would be Harmonize. Otherwise, hitting your opponent with Sword of Fire and Ice is the next best thing.
I have never tried this. My opinion on Momentous Fall is that it works best with a token generator like Elspeth, Knight Errant or Hero of Bladehold. Defensively, you could cast it in response to one of your cards being destroyed or exiled. But, I probably wouldn't use it in this deck.
Come to think of it, Momentous Fall might be a bad suggestion.:embarrass: At 4cc, would you rather cast an Elspeth, Hero or even Wilt-leaf Liege? Momentous Fall actually is best use defensively as you have pointed out.
Anyway i really couldn't think of another CA card.
Seems like we have to rely on the deck's own ability to generate card advantage.
KoTWO, Hero of bladehold, Sun Titan, Horizon Canopy, SoFI are out CA outlets here although all comes with some sort of condition except for Titan.
I have also looked into Hunter's Insight as a draw engine, but it is too conditional. The opponet may destroy whatever creature I was targeting, so I lose a card. If I were to put any other card draw in this deck, it would be Harmonize. Otherwise, hitting your opponent with Sword of Fire and Ice is the next best thing.
I don't think Harmonize is useful here, most of the time you would be tapping out to cast it and you can only use those cards next turn. I tried it before in other decks and it is just too slow and often too late. Hunter's Insight's vulnerability, condition and 3cc really pushes it out of contention.
Just be careful, since you don't have blue mana, you're going to pay 2 life to redirect. You may end up spending too much life.
Thanks for the reminder. It is probably there to protect the exemplars but I dont really want to waste a deck slot for this condition. Phyrexian Metamorph comes with more applications and should be more suitable for this deck.
Come to think of it, Momentous Fall might be a bad suggestion.:embarrass: At 4cc, would you rather cast an Elspeth, Hero or even Wilt-leaf Liege? Momentous Fall actually is best use defensively as you have pointed out.
I would cast either Elspeth or Hero of Bladehold for 4 CMC. I like Elspeth a tad more, since you can immediately use her +1 ability to generate a 1/1 token creature to block, and it gets Elspeth closer to her ultimate. However, I would never cast her if I don't already have an advantage on creatures on the battlefield.
Seems like we have to rely on the deck's own ability to generate card advantage.
KoTWO, Hero of bladehold, Sun Titan, Horizon Canopy, SoFI are out CA outlets here although all comes with some sort of condition except for Titan.
The Knights deck definitely relies on cards that have a useful ability built-in.
I don't think Harmonize is useful here, most of the time you would be tapping out to cast it and you can only use those cards next turn. I tried it before in other decks and it is just too slow and often too late. Hunter's Insight's vulnerability, condition and 3cc really pushes it out of contention.
I agree that Harmonize is not useful for this deck. For a green ramp deck, Harmonize is probably usable.
Thanks for the reminder. It is probably there to protect the exemplars but I dont really want to waste a deck slot for this condition. Phyrexian Metamorph comes with more applications and should be more suitable for this deck.
There is one interesting use of Spellskite, however. You can force your opponent in delaying casting Splinter Twin, if your opponent is playing that kind of deck.
The cards can be used for this deck. Some decks use it. It comes down to how you wish to tailor your Knight deck. There was a Legacy deck that used Suppression Field with Knight of the Holy Nimbus, but the Knight decklists shown here have to change to take advantage of Suppression Field.
Loved running this deck in standard, cool to see people are porting this over to modern/standard
Here is the build I have thus far, basically modifying the build I used for standard (thus the lack of KoTR, which I probably will end up using, seems like a cool beater that becomes amazing with exemplar)
Included both Hero and Elspeth because I have both (and enjoy using both).
As for the artifacts, based more or less on what I have atm, I opted to go for variety, most of the time, the most value I get out of them is the color protections (the effects are neat but have never won me a game).
Any suggestions? (btw, is there a thread on here with instructions on how to use the deck tag and format it so it's not a mess, if so, link please?)
Maybe it is the choices we have in the 2cc slot, we are already playing 4x Knight of the White Orchid to provide land drop consistency, we also may play Knight of the Meadowgrain for lifelink. Basically it is these few cards jostling for the same slots and while the other 2 knights has in-build ability we want to utilise, Knight of the Holy Nimbus ability is reliant on what the opponent does instead.
I would cast either Elspeth or Hero of Bladehold for 4 CMC. I like Elspeth a tad more, since you can immediately use her +1 ability to generate a 1/1 token creature to block, and it gets Elspeth closer to her ultimate. However, I would never cast her if I don't already have an advantage on creatures on the battlefield.
Exactly my thoughts, which is why i run Elspeth in my legacy knights also. The evasion it does on a fully pumped Student of Warface or Sword has won me many games. Elspeth also does a fine job of stalling the board so we can draw into better stuffs or catch up on the creatures count.
There is one interesting use of Spellskite, however. You can force your opponent in delaying casting Splinter Twin, if your opponent is playing that kind of deck.
At the moment Spellskite looks like a sideboard card at best.
The cards can be used for this deck. Some decks use it. It comes down to how you wish to tailor your Knight deck. There was a Legacy deck that used Suppression Field with Knight of the Holy Nimbus, but the Knight decklists shown here have to change to take advantage of Suppression Field.
Seems pretty difficult to implement Suppression Field. Frankly speaking i'm not too keen on cards like this without an efficient tutor like Enlightened Tutor around.
Loved running this deck in standard, cool to see people are porting this over to modern/standard
Here is the build I have thus far, basically modifying the build I used for standard (thus the lack of KoTR, which I probably will end up using, seems like a cool beater that becomes amazing with exemplar)
Included both Hero and Elspeth because I have both (and enjoy using both).
As for the artifacts, based more or less on what I have atm, I opted to go for variety, most of the time, the most value I get out of them is the color protections (the effects are neat but have never won me a game).
Any suggestions? (btw, is there a thread on here with instructions on how to use the deck tag and format it so it's not a mess, if so, link please?)
Great! This thread is created partly for those who simply adore standard knights but have only less than a month to play them.
Aether Vial must be played as 4 ofs -because you want them to be in your opening hand. Especially without Mental Misstep there are good chances you can Vial in at least a few creatures before your opponent draws his artifact removal.
From your list i'm not sure if you have enough mana or tempo to cast creature, equip and beat. Casting a Sword and equipping is mana intensive when you may need also need to cast Oblivion Ring or cast another creature in the same turn. All your options are sorcery speed. I'm just worried the Swords may hold you back rather than give you the advantage in combat.
Seems pretty difficult to implement Suppression Field. Frankly speaking i'm not too keen on cards like this without an efficient tutor like Enlightened Tutor around.
There was a thread in the Legacy forum under "Suppression Knights" I think. In that deck, there was no Knight of the Reliquary and very few cards with activation costs. Although Enlightened Tutor is not in Modern, Idyllic Tutor is available, though it is less efficient. In any case, I just brought up that deck, since somebody brought up Knight of the Holy Nimbus.
Exactly my thoughts, which is why i run Elspeth in my legacy knights also. The evasion it does on a fully pumped Student of Warface or Sword has won me many games. Elspeth also does a fine job of stalling the board so we can draw into better stuffs or catch up on the creatures count.
I would definitely use Elspeth in a mono-white Knight deck. I decided to abandon it in the green-white variation to shift the deck to more aggro. I wish Grand Abolisher was a Knight. It sure looks like one with all that armor in the art. lol
There was a thread in the Legacy forum under "Suppression Knights" I think. In that deck, there was no Knight of the Reliquary and very few cards with activation costs. Although Enlightened Tutor is not in Modern, Idyllic Tutor is available, though it is less efficient. In any case, I just brought up that deck, since somebody brought up Knight of the Holy Nimbus.
It's always good you are willing to share with us some other knights variant. The name "Supression Knights" also rocks IMO, i went up to look at those cards you mentioned and they are much inferior but if Wotc create much better replacements the whole idea might become feasible again.
I would definitely use Elspeth in a mono-white Knight deck. I decide to abandon it in the green-white variation to shift the deck to more aggro. I wish Grand Abolisher was a Knight. It sure looks like one with all that armor in the art. lol
I concur, 4cc for what Elspeth does is totally worth it.
Yeah, too bad the abolisher wasn't. We could do with more options LOL. Recently the interest in knights seems to have waned, even my legacy knights thread don't see any traffic anymore.
Yeah, too bad the abolisher wasn't. We could do with more options LOL. Recently the interest in knights seems to have waned, even my legacy knights thread don't see any traffic anymore.
As you said, it looks like the upcoming Innistrad expansion is focused on soldiers, so we probably won't see many Knight cards until we leave the Innistrad block entirely.
The main problem with Knights is that we're dealing with a "job" subtype. WotC does not design too many cards around a "job" subtype. Merfolk and Elves remain strong, because they are species subtypes, and WotC seems to like to design cards to support those species. WotC also rarely designs anything other than a "[species] Knight" subtype, so we don't often get cards like Steward of Valeron.
Here's the deck I'm putting together, using my former standard Knight Deck as a base and reworking a few of the cards. I've been looked at as odd playing the 4 HoBH, but they have saved me late game, just don't keep more then one in the opening hand.
I miss having the hawks in here, that I run in standard, but I can make do without. I have plenty of firepower here.
I need to aquire some more path to exile to use with my deck though. I have 4 in my Naya Blade legacy build I'm making for my casual deck, but I'm going to use my O-Rings in there I believe. It is a casual deck after all.
For the Sideboard:
I wanna use 4 Leyline I have, 4 Purge is nice in my meta, and maybe 4 O-Ring for walkers and other permanents. Not sure what to use for the Other three. RDW is popular so I might just keep my Firewalkers in there. They've saved me a few times.
For a mono-white deck, I would have one copy of Emeria, the Sky Ruin for late-game recursion. Elspeth is definitely worthwhile in a mono-white build for tokens and flying abilities.
As you said, it looks like the upcoming Innistrad expansion is focused on soldiers, so we probably won't see many Knight cards until we leave the Innistrad block entirely.
The main problem with Knights is that we're dealing with a "job" subtype. WotC does not design too many cards around a "job" subtype. Merfolk and Elves remain strong, because they are species subtypes, and WotC seems to like to design cards to support those species. WotC also rarely designs anything other than a "[species] Knight" subtype, so we don't often get cards like Steward of Valeron.
That's right, that's why Merfolks, Goblins and Elves has so much support. It seems what we can hope for is the occasional knights such as Innistrad's Spectral Rider. Even then it seems to be created more for Spirits than for Knights.
Here's the deck I'm putting together, using my former standard Knight Deck as a base and reworking a few of the cards. I've been looked at as odd playing the 4 HoBH, but they have saved me late game, just don't keep more then one in the opening hand.
I miss having the hawks in here, that I run in standard, but I can make do without. I have plenty of firepower here.
I need to aquire some more path to exile to use with my deck though. I have 4 in my Naya Blade legacy build I'm making for my casual deck, but I'm going to use my O-Rings in there I believe. It is a casual deck after all.
For the Sideboard:
I wanna use 4 Leyline I have, 4 Purge is nice in my meta, and maybe 4 O-Ring for walkers and other permanents. Not sure what to use for the Other three. RDW is popular so I might just keep my Firewalkers in there. They've saved me a few times.
Sigiled Paladin looks to be inferior here as you probably can't do much with so few exalted creatures, Knight of Meadowgrain's lifelink ability would be better here as you mention RDW is popular.
Otherwise to me you are doing everything right with your the PtE and sideboard. With 4 Purge and 3 Firewalkers and PtE it should be more than enough to handle RDW, if you are losing after sideboarding maybe you can consider Timely Reinforcements as an alternative.
And i also like Eriol suggestions below which would ensure you have mid-late game threats.
For a mono-white deck, I would have one copy of Emeria, the Sky Ruin for late-game recursion. Elspeth is definitely worthwhile in a mono-white build for tokens and flying abilities.
Swords to Plowshares cannot be used in Modern.
Meanwhile i have just edited the layout of the Knights creatures in the OP. Let me know what is your opinion? I plan to segregate them by casting cost rather than color later, and add in a few more knights which i may have left out.
Meanwhile i have just edited the layout of the Knights creatures in the OP. Let me know what is your opinion? I plan to segregate them by casting cost rather than color later, and add in a few more knights which i may have left out.
The Knights list looks fine overall. I think you should mention that because of W level-up requirement, Student of Warfare works best in a mono-white build. That way, if you really have no creatures on turn 2, you can tap for WW to get a 3/3 first strike. In a GW-deck, Student of Warfare is not necessarily an auto-include (since I went with Noble Hierarch).
Under "2.2) Other Creatures," I think you may want to mention Gaddock Teeg and Ethersworn Canonist as possible supporting creatures. You mention Gaddock Teeg when you talk about Green Sun's Zenith. You may also want to mention Noble Hierarch for a GW-build and for its Exalted ability. Burrenton Forge-Tender is also an anti-red creature that affects an untargeted red source.
Under "2.5) Land", you may want to mention Emeria, the Sky Ruin for a mono-white build for recursion. It has some synergy with Flagstones in the mid- to late-game, since you can swap two Flagstones for two tapped plains to reach the 7 Plains requirement. (Obviously, getting to 7 Plains is not easy.)
Under "2.6) Sideboard," you may want to mention Pithing Needle, since you have Phyrexian Revoker mentioned elsewhere. Also, Brave the Elements might be a Tier-2 possiblity against red decks or decks heavy on targeted creature removal.
Totally messed up on the Plowshares thing. Sorry about that. I'm going to use the Path to Exile from my Naya Deck. It should work out just fine. I'm not gonna use Elspeth though. She's too slow.
Sigil is a 2 drop 2/2 with first strike. Which is nice. Exalted is just a perk. Meadowgrain is nice too, I'll have to hunt some more down. I think I only have one. Sigil will fill the spot as a I hunt. I thought of using Knight of the White Orchid too.
The Knights list looks fine overall. I think you should mention that because of W level-up requirement, Student of Warfare works best in a mono-white build. That way, if you really have no creatures on turn 2, you can tap for WW to get a 3/3 first strike. In a GW-deck, Student of Warfare is not necessarily an auto-include (since I went with Noble Hierarch).
Wow that is some amazing input, thanks!;) I'll edit the explanation on the Student. I might add in Noble Hierarch under "other creatures" as well. At the moment i'm still undecided over the Primer format, as i'm lumping all the cards for both W knights & GW knights together. Have you seen my Legacy Knights Primer before? I'm thinking a format similar to it will do but at the same time I wish to try something different.
Under "2.2) Other Creatures," I think you may want to mention Gaddock Teeg and Ethersworn Canonist as possible supporting creatures. You mention Gaddock Teeg when you talk about Green Sun's Zenith. You may also want to mention Noble Hierarch for a GW-build and for its Exalted ability. Burrenton Forge-Tender is also an anti-red creature that affects an untargeted red source.
I actually categorised Tegg and Canonist as sideboard cards at the moment. But you made a very valid point about Tegg as a supporting creature. He can be a single maindeck due to GSZ but i can't say the same for Canoist. Playing a singleton Canoist in the maindeck is pointless while too many may result in a clutter of dead cards. For that, Canoist will stay in the sideboard. I'll probably move Tegg up to "other creatures".
Too bad we don't have Silver Knight anymore. I think Burrenton Forge-Tender will probably end up in the sideboard at the moment. I'll see how dominant R is in the meta before making further changes.
Under "2.5) Land", you may want to mention Emeria, the Sky Ruin for a mono-white build for recursion. It has some synergy with Flagstones in the mid- to late-game, since you can swap two Flagstones for two tapped plains to reach the 7 Plains requirement. (Obviously, getting to 7 Plains is not easy.)
That's true, I play Emeria in my Standard Knights and it takes forever to reach 7 plains. Emeria has no chance in competitive legacy but in Wasteland-less Modern it is worth a try. I'll also add Emeria into the primer.
Under "2.6) Sideboard," you may want to mention Pithing Needle, since you have Phyrexian Revoker mentioned elsewhere. Also, Brave the Elements might be a Tier-2 possiblity against red decks or decks heavy on targeted creature removal.
Thanks for suggesting Pitching Needle - i totally forgot about it :embarrass:. I also intend to add in Brave the elements - I make another round of updates to the primer over the weekend.
Totally messed up on the Plowshares thing. Sorry about that. I'm going to use the Path to Exile from my Naya Deck. It should work out just fine. I'm not gonna use Elspeth though. She's too slow.
Sigil is a 2 drop 2/2 with first strike. Which is nice. Exalted is just a perk. Meadowgrain is nice too, I'll have to hunt some more down. I think I only have one. Sigil will fill the spot as a I hunt. I thought of using Knight of the White Orchid too.
No worries on the plowshares. I added Silver Knight to my list in my first build.
White Knight is also a 2 drop 2/2 with first strike, would you prefer Sigil or him? Personally i prefer having a potential color hoser rather than Exalted. The protection from black were more relevant than Exalted in most of my games.
Hi Nabbydian,
I wasn't thinking about sideboard/not sideboard when I wrote up the suggestions. I simply looked at the primer topics, and placed creatures in the appropriate bucket. You can shuffle the creatures to different topics as you deem fit.
Now that Angelic Overseer has been spoiled, I would love to put that into this deck, even though it's an angel.
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(Yes, that makes the deck less competitive. Just something for a casual game).
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Noble Hierarch should be able to power out your knights and give them some attacking power via exalted.
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Yup, agreed with Mabberman. Noble Hierarch might be useful here seeing how creature heavy the deck is.
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I imagine if you are going the exalted way, playing Knight of the Holy Nimbus will be massive when combined with flanking.
24 lands seems too many especially when you have Knight of the White Orchid and Aether Vial. Probably playing 22 lands should suffice.
With 4 Temple Garden, stirring wildwood and 6 fetches, you can actually remove Razorverge Thicket since the green mana base should be covered.
Horizon Canopy will give the deck much needed card drawing ability and should be included if possible.
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Aggro Elves G
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Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
3x Knight of the White Orchid
4x Knight Exemplar
4x Knight of Meadowgrain
4x Knight of the Reliquary
2x Mirran Crusader
2x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Sun Titan
3x Qasali Pridemage
3x Oblivion Ring
4x Path to Exile
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
4x Horizon Canopy
5x Plains
5x Forest
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Sejiri Steppe
2x Ghost Quarter
I decided that Student of Warfare was too mana-intensive to level up, preferring the Exalted abilities of Noble Hierarch. I also lowered the sword package since I have no way to tutor for them in exchange for more permanent control like Qasali Pridemage and Oblivion Ring. Phyrexian Metamorph is Knight Exemplar 5-6 or a legendary creature killer. Sun Titan is for recursion.
The deck looks like it might empty your hand very quickly and I like that you packed 4 Horizon canopy in anticipation of this.
I actually felt that with the mana ramp from Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare might be useful here and you will also have more one drop creatures to Vial in.
Personally i will replace maybe 2x Knight of Meadowgrain with 2x Student.
For the land base, i will go for 2x Marsh Flats and 2x Verdant Catacombs because the deck is very W intensive and 2x Verdants should be able to ensure you can get a first turn Hierarch. By the way once you play a single Temple Garden it doesnt matter which combination of fetches you want to choose.
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[Deck] Darth Knights in Legacy
[Deck] Casual Knights in Legacy
[Deck/Primer] Modern Knights
[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
LEGACY
Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
I patterned that after I got advice from an old GW aggro deck of mine. It is currently the only "good" way to draw for this deck and helps with Knight of the Reliquary. I also noticed the current GW Knight decks in this thread have also used it.
I'll have to play around with this and play some games with it. I am treating this deck as "Knight-aggro," so I'm trying to use cards that support themselves. Student is a base 1/1 that does not have any attributes until WW is spent. I view that the WW mana may be spent on another Knight instead. Noble Hierarch is used for Exalted and casting more Knights and into Sun Titan, if Noble Hierarch is not eliminated.
Knight of Meadowgrain is my only life gainer, so I prefer to use 4 to slow down an aggro-burn deck. (I'm not expecting to win that matchup often.)
Thanks for that. I'm looking to buy some Marsh Flats. Temple Garden is unfortunately too expensive on the retail and auction market for my budget, even for a one-of.
Yup, Horizon Canopy is really good by letting you do all the digging and refilling hand etc, and it also has synergy with Knight of the White Orchid (basically any land that sacrifice or replace itself has synergy with KotWO lol).
I also figure you wanted lifegain from Knight of Meadowgrain thus the playset. Against aggro-burn, cards like Searing Blaze and Arc Trail really hurts. I have been on the receiving end so many times i'm numb. Sideboard cards such as brave the element or Timely reinforcements will help against them.
Yeah, now is really a bad time to buy shocks. Luckily i got most of the white based shocks.
I'm actually keen to try Noble Hierarch for the speed it provides so i'm quite keen to know how you deck works out. Too bad i didn't managed to get it before the spike.
By the way what do you think of Spellskite against Combo. Does it works at all?
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Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
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Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
You raise a good point that I have not thought about. Reduce my land count only to replenish with KotWO. Nice observation!
Yes, that was my intention. I haven't defined a sideboard yet, since I don't know what my local meta is like. I have not been in any tournaments. In terms of casual playing, it's mostly been creatures hitting me, so I need to slow the life loss down. I definitely have considered Brave the Elements as MD/SB to protect my creatures.
LOL. You have shocklands before the price spike, and I have Noble Hierarchs before the price spike. This Knight deck doesn't need a full playset of Temple Gardens, but having 3-4 Noble Hierarch is needed if you go that route. Again, I haven't gone to any tournaments with this, so I cannot provide any deck data for this. I'm actually waiting for a local store to offer Modern sanctioned tournaments and then I can try it out. For now, the deck is confined to casual games and theoretical tournament musings on my part.
I have to agree with user Pumbelo above. While I am no Magic expert, I do know that the basic strategy of combo is to resolve cards with powerful synergies that often are non-interactive. Against combo decks, Gaddock Teeg, Rule of Law, and Ethersworn Canonist are strong anti-combo cards to use for this deck. If this was a tournament game, I would have some of these cards in the SB.
Spellskite might be useful to protect Knight Exemplar from targeted spells and abilities, but since Spellskite is a Horror type, I don't know if it fits in this deck.
If only there was a Knight card that actually had a built-in control ability. :/
In my opinion, Wilt-Leaf Liege does not offer enough for its casting cost. The Knights in my deck are mostly white, so they would only get +1/+1. I would pick Hero of Bladehold over Wilt-Leaf Liege for a 4 CMC card. In my deck, I keep most cards below 3 CMC, so Sun Titan can retrieve them.
Thanks for the advice. I'm really poor with things like this. Besides i always auto scoop to Hive Mind in legacy by turn 3-4. However i was able to beat sneak attack & Show & Tell decks in my LGS tournaments.
Wilt-Leaf Liege is a little slow, Eriol has pointed out better alternatives at 4cc. I prefer Elspeth at 4cc. However I suspect the Liege will be more suitable against Zoo than Hero of Bladehold.
Players in my area is still taking a wait and see approach before going into modern so I dont even know if there is a meta in the first place! I should be able to find a few players in the coming few weeks or so. Actually i also thought about using Brave in the Main deck but that will be meta dependent obviously.
What to do...we cant possibly go out and buy everything that's why we are in this predicament now...
That's right, one or two Temple Garden will suffice. I'll get a playset of Hierarchs as soon as the price stablise - not sure when it'll happen though...
If Innistrad manage to comes up with usuable card drawing tool for G/W i'll be fully behind the ramp for Hierarchs. No chance Momentous fall will work here? I play it in my Type 2 G Ramp with moderate success.
Sorry i'm really bad with combo decks. Most time I dont even bother to see how they dredge or Storm. It is just terribly boring.
There is a chance Spellskite might works here just like it is played in Puresteel decks to protect it's key creatures.
Yes we need more support from WotC for Knights! Too bad they are moving back to soldiers again.:rolleyes:
+1 here. Unless the whole meta is going crazy with discard then i might pack 4 in my main board lol.
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[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
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Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
I have never tried this. My opinion on Momentous Fall is that it works best with a token generator like Elspeth, Knight Errant or Hero of Bladehold. Defensively, you could cast it in response to one of your cards being destroyed or exiled. But, I probably wouldn't use it in this deck.
I have also looked into Hunter's Insight as a draw engine, but it is too conditional. The opponent may destroy whatever creature I was targeting, so I lose a card. If I were to put any other card draw in this deck, it would be Harmonize. Otherwise, hitting your opponent with Sword of Fire and Ice is the next best thing.
Just be careful, since you don't have blue mana, you're going to pay 2 life to redirect. You may end up spending too much life.
Come to think of it, Momentous Fall might be a bad suggestion.:embarrass: At 4cc, would you rather cast an Elspeth, Hero or even Wilt-leaf Liege? Momentous Fall actually is best use defensively as you have pointed out.
Anyway i really couldn't think of another CA card.
Seems like we have to rely on the deck's own ability to generate card advantage.
KoTWO, Hero of bladehold, Sun Titan, Horizon Canopy, SoFI are out CA outlets here although all comes with some sort of condition except for Titan.
I don't think Harmonize is useful here, most of the time you would be tapping out to cast it and you can only use those cards next turn. I tried it before in other decks and it is just too slow and often too late. Hunter's Insight's vulnerability, condition and 3cc really pushes it out of contention.
Thanks for the reminder. It is probably there to protect the exemplars but I dont really want to waste a deck slot for this condition. Phyrexian Metamorph comes with more applications and should be more suitable for this deck.
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NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
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Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
I would cast either Elspeth or Hero of Bladehold for 4 CMC. I like Elspeth a tad more, since you can immediately use her +1 ability to generate a 1/1 token creature to block, and it gets Elspeth closer to her ultimate. However, I would never cast her if I don't already have an advantage on creatures on the battlefield.
I couldn't think of a traditional CA card for this deck, as in drawing more cards.
The Knights deck definitely relies on cards that have a useful ability built-in.
I agree that Harmonize is not useful for this deck. For a green ramp deck, Harmonize is probably usable.
There is one interesting use of Spellskite, however. You can force your opponent in delaying casting Splinter Twin, if your opponent is playing that kind of deck.
The cards can be used for this deck. Some decks use it. It comes down to how you wish to tailor your Knight deck. There was a Legacy deck that used Suppression Field with Knight of the Holy Nimbus, but the Knight decklists shown here have to change to take advantage of Suppression Field.
Here is the build I have thus far, basically modifying the build I used for standard (thus the lack of KoTR, which I probably will end up using, seems like a cool beater that becomes amazing with exemplar)
Included both Hero and Elspeth because I have both (and enjoy using both).
As for the artifacts, based more or less on what I have atm, I opted to go for variety, most of the time, the most value I get out of them is the color protections (the effects are neat but have never won me a game).
Any suggestions? (btw, is there a thread on here with instructions on how to use the deck tag and format it so it's not a mess, if so, link please?)
Maybe it is the choices we have in the 2cc slot, we are already playing 4x Knight of the White Orchid to provide land drop consistency, we also may play Knight of the Meadowgrain for lifelink. Basically it is these few cards jostling for the same slots and while the other 2 knights has in-build ability we want to utilise, Knight of the Holy Nimbus ability is reliant on what the opponent does instead.
Exactly my thoughts, which is why i run Elspeth in my legacy knights also. The evasion it does on a fully pumped Student of Warface or Sword has won me many games. Elspeth also does a fine job of stalling the board so we can draw into better stuffs or catch up on the creatures count.
This is a problem white based decks always face. That's why we need to use other methods or indirect ways for CA.
At the moment Spellskite looks like a sideboard card at best.
Seems pretty difficult to implement Suppression Field. Frankly speaking i'm not too keen on cards like this without an efficient tutor like Enlightened Tutor around.
Great! This thread is created partly for those who simply adore standard knights but have only less than a month to play them.
Aether Vial must be played as 4 ofs -because you want them to be in your opening hand. Especially without Mental Misstep there are good chances you can Vial in at least a few creatures before your opponent draws his artifact removal.
From your list i'm not sure if you have enough mana or tempo to cast creature, equip and beat. Casting a Sword and equipping is mana intensive when you may need also need to cast Oblivion Ring or cast another creature in the same turn. All your options are sorcery speed. I'm just worried the Swords may hold you back rather than give you the advantage in combat.
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[Deck] Casual Knights in Legacy
[Deck/Primer] Modern Knights
[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
LEGACY
Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
There was a thread in the Legacy forum under "Suppression Knights" I think. In that deck, there was no Knight of the Reliquary and very few cards with activation costs. Although Enlightened Tutor is not in Modern, Idyllic Tutor is available, though it is less efficient. In any case, I just brought up that deck, since somebody brought up Knight of the Holy Nimbus.
I would definitely use Elspeth in a mono-white Knight deck. I decided to abandon it in the green-white variation to shift the deck to more aggro. I wish Grand Abolisher was a Knight. It sure looks like one with all that armor in the art. lol
It's always good you are willing to share with us some other knights variant. The name "Supression Knights" also rocks IMO, i went up to look at those cards you mentioned and they are much inferior but if Wotc create much better replacements the whole idea might become feasible again.
I concur, 4cc for what Elspeth does is totally worth it.
Yeah, too bad the abolisher wasn't. We could do with more options LOL. Recently the interest in knights seems to have waned, even my legacy knights thread don't see any traffic anymore.
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[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
LEGACY
Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
As you said, it looks like the upcoming Innistrad expansion is focused on soldiers, so we probably won't see many Knight cards until we leave the Innistrad block entirely.
The main problem with Knights is that we're dealing with a "job" subtype. WotC does not design too many cards around a "job" subtype. Merfolk and Elves remain strong, because they are species subtypes, and WotC seems to like to design cards to support those species. WotC also rarely designs anything other than a "[species] Knight" subtype, so we don't often get cards like Steward of Valeron.
4 Hero of Bladehold
4 Knight Exemplar
4 Mirran Crusader
4 Knight of the White Orchid
4 Sigiled Paladin
4 Studen of Warfare
2 Day of Judgement
4 Honor of the Pure
4 Path to Exile / Sword of the Plowshares
4 Brave the Elements
2 Contested Warzone
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Arid Masa
14 Plains
Here's the deck I'm putting together, using my former standard Knight Deck as a base and reworking a few of the cards. I've been looked at as odd playing the 4 HoBH, but they have saved me late game, just don't keep more then one in the opening hand.
I miss having the hawks in here, that I run in standard, but I can make do without. I have plenty of firepower here.
I need to aquire some more path to exile to use with my deck though. I have 4 in my Naya Blade legacy build I'm making for my casual deck, but I'm going to use my O-Rings in there I believe. It is a casual deck after all.
For the Sideboard:
I wanna use 4 Leyline I have, 4 Purge is nice in my meta, and maybe 4 O-Ring for walkers and other permanents. Not sure what to use for the Other three. RDW is popular so I might just keep my Firewalkers in there. They've saved me a few times.
Casual: Stoneforge Cosplay (Equips)
EDH: Scion, Sliver Overlord, Traft, Tariel, and Trostani
For a mono-white deck, I would have one copy of Emeria, the Sky Ruin for late-game recursion. Elspeth is definitely worthwhile in a mono-white build for tokens and flying abilities.
Swords to Plowshares cannot be used in Modern.
That's right, that's why Merfolks, Goblins and Elves has so much support. It seems what we can hope for is the occasional knights such as Innistrad's Spectral Rider. Even then it seems to be created more for Spirits than for Knights.
Sigiled Paladin looks to be inferior here as you probably can't do much with so few exalted creatures, Knight of Meadowgrain's lifelink ability would be better here as you mention RDW is popular.
Otherwise to me you are doing everything right with your the PtE and sideboard. With 4 Purge and 3 Firewalkers and PtE it should be more than enough to handle RDW, if you are losing after sideboarding maybe you can consider Timely Reinforcements as an alternative.
And i also like Eriol suggestions below which would ensure you have mid-late game threats.
Meanwhile i have just edited the layout of the Knights creatures in the OP. Let me know what is your opinion? I plan to segregate them by casting cost rather than color later, and add in a few more knights which i may have left out.
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[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
LEGACY
Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
The Knights list looks fine overall. I think you should mention that because of W level-up requirement, Student of Warfare works best in a mono-white build. That way, if you really have no creatures on turn 2, you can tap for WW to get a 3/3 first strike. In a GW-deck, Student of Warfare is not necessarily an auto-include (since I went with Noble Hierarch).
Under "2.2) Other Creatures," I think you may want to mention Gaddock Teeg and Ethersworn Canonist as possible supporting creatures. You mention Gaddock Teeg when you talk about Green Sun's Zenith. You may also want to mention Noble Hierarch for a GW-build and for its Exalted ability. Burrenton Forge-Tender is also an anti-red creature that affects an untargeted red source.
Under "2.5) Land", you may want to mention Emeria, the Sky Ruin for a mono-white build for recursion. It has some synergy with Flagstones in the mid- to late-game, since you can swap two Flagstones for two tapped plains to reach the 7 Plains requirement. (Obviously, getting to 7 Plains is not easy.)
Under "2.6) Sideboard," you may want to mention Pithing Needle, since you have Phyrexian Revoker mentioned elsewhere. Also, Brave the Elements might be a Tier-2 possiblity against red decks or decks heavy on targeted creature removal.
Sigil is a 2 drop 2/2 with first strike. Which is nice. Exalted is just a perk. Meadowgrain is nice too, I'll have to hunt some more down. I think I only have one. Sigil will fill the spot as a I hunt. I thought of using Knight of the White Orchid too.
Casual: Stoneforge Cosplay (Equips)
EDH: Scion, Sliver Overlord, Traft, Tariel, and Trostani
Wow that is some amazing input, thanks!;) I'll edit the explanation on the Student. I might add in Noble Hierarch under "other creatures" as well. At the moment i'm still undecided over the Primer format, as i'm lumping all the cards for both W knights & GW knights together. Have you seen my Legacy Knights Primer before? I'm thinking a format similar to it will do but at the same time I wish to try something different.
I actually categorised Tegg and Canonist as sideboard cards at the moment. But you made a very valid point about Tegg as a supporting creature. He can be a single maindeck due to GSZ but i can't say the same for Canoist. Playing a singleton Canoist in the maindeck is pointless while too many may result in a clutter of dead cards. For that, Canoist will stay in the sideboard. I'll probably move Tegg up to "other creatures".
Too bad we don't have Silver Knight anymore. I think Burrenton Forge-Tender will probably end up in the sideboard at the moment. I'll see how dominant R is in the meta before making further changes.
That's true, I play Emeria in my Standard Knights and it takes forever to reach 7 plains. Emeria has no chance in competitive legacy but in Wasteland-less Modern it is worth a try. I'll also add Emeria into the primer.
Thanks for suggesting Pitching Needle - i totally forgot about it :embarrass:. I also intend to add in Brave the elements - I make another round of updates to the primer over the weekend.
No worries on the plowshares. I added Silver Knight to my list in my first build.
White Knight is also a 2 drop 2/2 with first strike, would you prefer Sigil or him? Personally i prefer having a potential color hoser rather than Exalted. The protection from black were more relevant than Exalted in most of my games.
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[Deck/Primer] Modern Knights
[Deck/Primer] Modern Ninjas
LEGACY
Legacy Knights Variants WG,WU,WR,WB,W,B
Soldiers Stompy W
NinjaStill UB
FOWless Merfolk UW
Aggro Elves G
MODERN
Modern Knights Variants WG,BR
Modern Ninjas Variants UB,UG,UW,UWR
Modern Kithkins WR,W
I wasn't thinking about sideboard/not sideboard when I wrote up the suggestions. I simply looked at the primer topics, and placed creatures in the appropriate bucket. You can shuffle the creatures to different topics as you deem fit.
Now that Angelic Overseer has been spoiled, I would love to put that into this deck, even though it's an angel.
Indestructible Knights
Indestructible Angel
(Yes, that makes the deck less competitive. Just something for a casual game).