Yeah I built the deck right when CN2 was released and bought a playset of Inquisition of Kozilek for $22.
I can't post decklists in the regular thread due to not having Liliana's. Buying a playset of Thoughtseize I can afford to do, but Liliana of the Veil is a whole other story.
Running 20 land and 4 smallpox hasn't caused me any problems yet. I pretty consistently hit 3 land a game. If I experience any problem I'll switch out some land for a couple of Mutavaults that I have. I often in late games am discarding extra land to Raven's Crime as it is. Waste Not has been pretty hit or miss. Turn one I do choice removal and then if I can afford to turn 2 Waste Not comes out and does its damage. I've often needed to wait until turn 3 to prioritize a Wrench Mind or SmallPox or extra choice removals. If I have it out in the mid game its always been helpful. It makes a good Sideboard target to change cards out if it doesnt end up working out main deck. Speaking of, here is my sideboard:
I dislike 4x Dismember especially when Burn is popular but I'll throw in a split. Little rusty on the meta so I'll take your word for it on Tendrils. Betrayal I like but not a big fan of cards only used for one deck. Liliana's Defeat is a little better.
Swapping Racks out for Davriel. The deck doesn't really want more Rack effects even if the card also discards, and The Rack is the most expensive card in this version. That brings it from about $60 to about $40.
Swapping Racks out for Davriel. The deck doesn't really want more Rack effects even if the card also discards, and The Rack is the most expensive card in this version. That brings it from about $60 to about $40.
Why no Funeral Charm? This card is solid at 2 or 3 copies in non budget list. In contrast to Duress and Divest with both being meh mainboard because they can easily become dead in a matchup. Funeral Charm is flexible which is very important for 8 Rack, budget version lacks removal and this card is a solid removal (killing 30% of top50 creatures https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern/full/creatures. Fatal Push kills 50% and is removal only). And instant discard is always solid in 8Rack. Easy 4 copies main for me for budget list, Id cut 2 Duress, 2 Divest. And another 2 of both for 4 Cry of Contrition (or Blackmail to spend some $).
Swapping Racks out for Davriel. The deck doesn't really want more Rack effects even if the card also discards, and The Rack is the most expensive card in this version. That brings it from about $60 to about $40.
how many davriel's would you suggest for a budget build?
necrogen mist - x
rack - x
affliction - x
davriel - x
*note: x = number of copies
I think it is ambitious to cut all racks for 4 Davriel. While Davri is significantly more fragile than the racks, it seems you would run into the situation where you would get multiple Davris in hand very easily. While Racks stack, and many times multiple racks are what close the game fast, Davris stick in your hand. 4 Davriel might be right, but I'd probably still run a couple Racks. I might cut a couple Shrieking Affliction or Necrogen Mists, but I feel like cutting racks is too aggressive.
It's a budget choice. If you don't mind spending the money for Racks (or something else, like my preferred choice, Infernal Tutor), then yeah, cut 1-2 Davriel.
PS. I added 2x Hostile Desert and 1x Zoetic Cavern to the main, and added a bit about some other non-basic candidates.
Tested it a bit and quickly found Davriel is bad if you can't protect him with something like Bitterblossom or Bridge, so he's out and The Rack is back in. Possibly he could be good with Pack Rat (instead of Smallpox) but I'm wary of taking out Smallpox in the budget list.
I can't post decklists in the regular thread due to not having Liliana's. Buying a playset of Thoughtseize I can afford to do, but Liliana of the Veil is a whole other story.
Running 20 land and 4 smallpox hasn't caused me any problems yet. I pretty consistently hit 3 land a game. If I experience any problem I'll switch out some land for a couple of Mutavaults that I have. I often in late games am discarding extra land to Raven's Crime as it is. Waste Not has been pretty hit or miss. Turn one I do choice removal and then if I can afford to turn 2 Waste Not comes out and does its damage. I've often needed to wait until turn 3 to prioritize a Wrench Mind or SmallPox or extra choice removals. If I have it out in the mid game its always been helpful. It makes a good Sideboard target to change cards out if it doesnt end up working out main deck. Speaking of, here is my sideboard:
3 Flaying Tendrils
2 Dismember
4 Evil Presence
4 Duress
RGWNaya BurnRGW+++RGWKiki ComboRGW
UGInfectUG+++++++++.++++++++UGMerfolkUG
GGNykthos WaveGG++++++++++GGStompyGG
BRVampiresBR+++++++.+++++++BRGoblinsBR
WGBogglesWG+++++++++++++CRSkred RedCR
UBRGDredgeUBRG++++++++++BB8 RackBB
URWJeskaiURW+++.++UBRGrixis DelverUBR
URStormUR++++++++UWGBant CompanyUWG
WUBRGHumansWUBRG+CCEldrazi TronCC
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Blood Crypt
2 Graven Cairns
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace
6 Swamp
2 Mountain
4 The Rack
4 Shrieking Affliction
2 Avaricious Dragon
2 Sign in Blood
Discard 16
4 Thoughtseize
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Raven's Crime
4 Wrench Mind
2 Blightning
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Terminate
3 Kolaghan's Command
50 Bloodstained Mire
28 Blood Crypt
16 Graven Cairns
16 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
65 Thoughtseize
40 Inquisition of Kozilek
15 Kolaghan's Command
4 Terminate
8 Wrench Mind
8 The Rack
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/588284#paper
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
agree! it's the better LotV budget replacement instead of necrogen mist.
Good to see!
I'd suggest Dismember over Victim of Night, the latter is gone for a long time.
Also Flaying Tendrils over Drown in Sorrow, specially now with Collected Company decks playing 4 Eternal Witness that can rebuy combo pieces (Vizier of Remedies I'm looking at you), and Dredge still big; the scry 1 is kinda meh anyways.
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Blackmail
4 Lingering Souls
4 The Rack
4 Shrieking Affliction
4 Raven's Crime
4 Wrench Mind
4 Mana Tithe
2 Duress
1 Collective Brutality
1 Crypt Incursion
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Concealed Courtyard
4 Godless Shrine
7 Swamp
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
with Dakmor Salvage and Raven's Crime is it worth to Play a full set of Gurmag Angler in the 8-Rack too?
I know a Smallpox will be devastating for him, but I love both, the Smallpox and the Gurmag Angler
Cause I definetly love the Playstyle of 8-Rack but I wanna add some Creatures inside
http://mythicspoiler.com/war/cards/davrielrogueshadowmage.html
Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
Made a couple changes to the OP list btw:
-2 Dismember +2 Victim -4 Scrutiny +4 Divest
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
how many davriel's would you suggest for a budget build?
necrogen mist - x
rack - x
affliction - x
davriel - x
*note: x = number of copies
PS. I added 2x Hostile Desert and 1x Zoetic Cavern to the main, and added a bit about some other non-basic candidates.
PSS. Reworked the sideboard some.