The entitlement and arrogance from some people is astonishing.
There is a simple reason why Wotc is very careful with reprints. A lot of people don't care if prices for cards get nuked as long as they don't own them. Now imagine those people just bought a playset of Snapcaster Mages and Wotc decides to print it as a Rare in a Masters Set.
People would be furious. Now do that a couple of times and customers lose confidence in your product and you start losing money
Like how when the fetchlands got reprinted in Khans of Tarkir, they crashed in price and people got angry and people refused to buy Khans of Tarkir booster packs because they were so offended by the loss in value. Remember that?
Oh, wait, no, I don't remember that, because that didn't happen. Khans of Tarkir was a hugely successful set. The only complaint people had about the fetchlands was that Wizards of the Coast somehow thought it was a good idea to later print fetchable dual lands into the same Standard format without any hate on the interaction.
In fact, interestingly, the subsequent Standard sets that didn't have any notable reprints were the ones that weren't received as well. Standard was on a real downhill decline in popularity afterwards, and it started gaining popularity again after they did start putting in some reprints people wanted. Granted, there were a lot of other factors in Standard's loss (and more recent gain) in popularity, but it is amusing to note that when they were including valuable reprints in Standard, Standard was on an upswing in popularity, then it lost popularity when they stopped, and then it started gaining popularity again after they started again (see Crucible of Worlds and Scapeshift, and of course now the shocklands).
I always see the same advice in every mtg finance: no card that is not on the reserved list is not off limits to being reprinted. If you want to invest in mtg cards, you have to face the realization that cards like Snapcaster, Liliana of the Veil, fetchlands, shocklands, Noble Hierarch, etc, will all be reprinted sooner or later. Look at Tarmogoyf, he's been reprinted so many times. He was at like $150 when I first started modern.
Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
I always see the same advice in every mtg finance: no card that is not on the reserved list is not off limits to being reprinted. If you want to invest in mtg cards, you have to face the realization that cards like Snapcaster, Liliana of the Veil, fetchlands, shocklands, Noble Hierarch, etc, will all be reprinted sooner or later. Look at Tarmogoyf, he's been reprinted so many times. He was at like $150 when I first started modern.
Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
Pretty much this in the long term, but many people often make a lot of money when a card is not reprinted in a particular set. I'm not sure how many people have insider information (just met a guy who claims to have that, so that's cool) or just have a hunch, but when stuff like Karn Liberated is not reprinted, it can shoot to the moon. It is ridiculous that it should ever have been an $85 card, but that's supply and demand (so it actually technically it isn't ridiculous).
Many other cards follow the same spectrum and then there's cards like Damnation and Blood Moon that have their prices bottomed out. Some cards make comebacks like Horizon Canopy. I am semi kicking myself for not buying the ICM art ones just to have more for decks when they hit $30 (I was waiting for $20). I have Canopies already, but wouldn't have minded another set with different art for another deck. But that's what happens and I currently refuse to pay $40 or more a pop for them now, especially having Future Sight ones (and foil Future Sight ones).
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I always see the same advice in every mtg finance: no card that is not on the reserved list is not off limits to being reprinted. If you want to invest in mtg cards, you have to face the realization that cards like Snapcaster, Liliana of the Veil, fetchlands, shocklands, Noble Hierarch, etc, will all be reprinted sooner or later. Look at Tarmogoyf, he's been reprinted so many times. He was at like $150 when I first started modern.
Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
Pretty much this in the long term, but many people often make a lot of money when a card is not reprinted in a particular set. I'm not sure how many people have insider information (just met a guy who claims to have that, so that's cool) or just have a hunch, but when stuff like Karn Liberated is not reprinted, it can shoot to the moon. It is ridiculous that it should ever have been an $85 card, but that's supply and demand (so it actually technically it isn't ridiculous).
Many other cards follow the same spectrum and then there's cards like Damnation and Blood Moon that have their prices bottomed out. Some cards make comebacks like Horizon Canopy. I am semi kicking myself for not buying the ICM art ones just to have more for decks when they hit $30 (I was waiting for $20). I have Canopies already, but wouldn't have minded another set with different art for another deck. But that's what happens and I currently refuse to pay $40 or more a pop for them now, especially having Future Sight ones (and foil Future Sight ones).
I remember Karn Liberated to be only 10$, and people would laugh at someone using him when he was Standard legal. Did not expect him to blow up to almost 100$ each. Also commited a mistake with Horizon Canopies, have 3 of them future sight.. sold the first one for 50, next one for 60, and then thinking it would drop because of the reprint sold the last one for only 30, too late when I realized the reprint is limited in amount and canopies blew up in price again.
What do people think about the MODO challenge having 3 out of 8 Creeping Dredge decks in the Top 8? Is this a concern that the deck will get nuked by Wizards again? It seems like Creeping Chill shaved the fundamental turn of Dredge significantly.
What do people think about the MODO challenge having 3 out of 8 Creeping Dredge decks in the Top 8? Is this a concern that the deck will get nuked by Wizards again? It seems like Creeping Chill shaved the fundamental turn of Dredge significantly.
Ask again in 3 to 6 months. People trying out the new hotness isn't a cause for concern - it making up a disproportionate meta share for a long period of time like 6 months is when we can actually ask these questions.
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Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
They definitely care about it, but there's a balance to be had. They want people to play the game, but if they reprinted every card so they were all worthless, they would lose a ton of future equity and really hurt singles sellers, which is mostly LGSs. They have a vested interest in making Modern affordable to play, but not necessarily cheap. Remember, they make money off of reprint sets, and people only will buy those if the EV is good, which requires cards in the set to be high in value.
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Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
They definitely care about it, but there's a balance to be had. They want people to play the game, but if they reprinted every card so they were all worthless, they would lose a ton of future equity and really hurt singles sellers, which is mostly LGSs. They have a vested interest in making Modern affordable to play, but not necessarily cheap. Remember, they make money off of reprint sets, and people only will buy those if the EV is good, which requires cards in the set to be high in value.
I want to highlight this. I don't think the average player realizes how razor thin the margins on singles are (nor do they care), but without some equity in the game, there wouldn't really be the support necessary for tournaments and fundamentally the game itself. Without a decent EV, product isn't going to move, so while WotC doesn't necessarily care about the secondary market, they kind of have to pay attention to some degree. Afterall the secondary market is primarily LGSs and LGSs are primarily WotC's ACTUAL customers. Again it is a balancing act, but it is very easy to tank prices and ruin confidence in the people who are primarily buying the product (the LGS).
Wizards don't care about the secondary market. They want people to play their game because that just makes them more money.
They definitely care about it, but there's a balance to be had. They want people to play the game, but if they reprinted every card so they were all worthless, they would lose a ton of future equity and really hurt singles sellers, which is mostly LGSs. They have a vested interest in making Modern affordable to play, but not necessarily cheap. Remember, they make money off of reprint sets, and people only will buy those if the EV is good, which requires cards in the set to be high in value.
A good EV is why I'm always confused by the higher MSRP per booster. Players in Modern and Legacy likely have more invested in this game, why punish them by demanding a higher price per pack? It feels the same as companies that have new member deals but ignore their long time customers. If the EV on those packs were better (upon set release) than standard sets then maybe there is little cause for alarm, but I don't believe this is the case when we see things like Tree of Redemption slip into high value slots.
I thought it was interesting a few days ago when idSurge said he's firmly of the belief that drafting ruins standard. I can see where he's coming from without even asking for his reasons and I'm sure many people agree, so can we also apply this idea to Masters sets? I would prefer Masters sets not really be draftable; I think it would open some new formatting for packs to be built, maybe with an 8/4/2 model to help that EV, and that's still draftable so I might say they could or even should go further. If I had 2-3 shots at opening that bomb reprint I wanted for a slightly better price ratio comparison to standard packs, then I might give it a go. That way they're using actual value to attract players instead of giving us a foil in every pack that doesn't mean much anyway.
I guess the fear of changing the pack construction would be that Standard players would want to see it in their packs as well? If modern can have it why not standard? Give drafters their own packs and constructed players their own packs! Probably ends in a good argument for why Standard needs a power boost to get some more Modern level reprints into standard packs.
It's certainly a line to walk. No arguments there.
I agree that drafting ruins standard. I'm not so sure I agree that drafting ruins every set. Conspiracy and Battlebond were fantastic draft environments and some of the Modern Masters sets have been good as well. I also think that drafting out of Masters helps to offset the higher price per pack by delivering value beyond just the cards.
I do think that Wizards should change their draft philosophy with Master's sets however. Not every card can be the best card in the format, but in a reprint set like MM you should always be excited by what you open.
Wizards is well aware of the secondary market, their ability to affect it, and the fact that THEY can only place a price of 1/15th of the cost of a booster pack on each card.
If they were to come out and acknowledge the fact that they basically print money, they'd be up to their armpits in trouble.
Does anyone think that wizards doesn't know that cards are worth what they're worth? They do. They have the ability to print them or not. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. I guarantee it.
I rarely find people even wanting to draft masters sets to begin with. I understand that limited drives sales more than constructed. It makes very little sense to try to build a modern deck by buying boxes of modern masters, financially. I'd rather WOTC learn a lesson from pokemon. In the pokemon TCG, they sell product that mixes randomized boosters with guaranteed singles. Oftentimes, you can buy a tin with one pretty good card and a handful of boosters. That helps to keep prices in check.
It is that lootbox mentality that keeps me from buying sealed product. I'd gladly buy a modern event deck or something along those lines if I knew what I would be getting.
I have to say I havent seen much (other than Steam-Kin meme's from h0lydiva!) break out of Guilds.
This is another great example of how ridiculous statements like "Stoneforge Mystic restricts development of Equipment" are. Creatures have regularly broken decks nearly every block for the past several years after gatekeeper was banned, but it sure doesn't stop WOTC from printing creatures with abilities that can easily be abused or broken!
As far as Rav breakouts... I'm still waiting for Risk Factor to be a thing. It has looked amazing in every Arena game I have seen it in, but I don't know if it has what it takes to take off here. I would definitely love to try it in a burn-centric Jeskai build, but I'd have to have copies of it first...
Mission Briefing seems to be a dud so far. Just too "cute" for real decks maybe? I could see a deck in URx running Pyros and Things and Delvers wanting a card like that. But decks running Pyro, Thing, and Delver are very medium to begin with, and this doesn't make it exponentially better. I think once I tire of UW myself, I'll start experimenting with something like 8-Snap UR/Jeskai.
The problem to mind with Surveil is Modern is reliant on creatures having built in abilities that get them out of the graveyard. So when we see Dredge Type decks its mostly filled with creatures that have abilities that let them escape the grave themselves but there is a limited number of good cards to get stuff out of the bin precisely when you need or specific cards you need it unlike say BR Reanimation in Legacy. And Faithless Looting as the chief enabler also does much the same. The other issues of course not putting in the enough in the grave at the same time ie if your dumping 4 or 5 cards in chances are you will get something you can exploit, if you doing 1 or 2 well that is not great which ties into the slow part you mentioned.
I have to say I havent seen much (other than Steam-Kin meme's from h0lydiva!) break out of Guilds.
Trophy and Chill are making significant MTGO impacts. Knight of Autumn is also showing up all over the place. Ego sees SB play, and Collector/Witness/Briefing all buffed some niche decks. Overall that's about the same impact we expect from most new sets.
Has anyone seen any brews with Experimental Frenzy in Modern yet? The card is super busted, and I have to imagine there's a build somewhere in the Modern card pool, but it'll probably take longer to find.
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the bottleneck for frenzy as an enabler is the cmc. if you want to do anything degenerate with it there kinda needs to be some sort of acceleration involved.
it being a 1-2 of value threat in some aggressive/burn lists, much like mono-red in standard, could make some sense. however there is all sorts of competition at that slot in modern, so i expect it to take a bit for people to figure out if its really better.
crackling drake in UR is interesting, but im dubious of its long term staying power. its a value finisher in colors primarily used for tempo so /shrug. i do think it went under the radar though.
the only other card that i can think of that people had aspirations for from GRN was Mausoleum Secrets. its a tough nut to crack, and might amount to nothing. however it also took some time for traverse to be figured out as well.
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Frenzy is 4 CMC do nothing. To break it requires some sort of combo and plenty of mana acceleration so I don't know maybe in some sort of RG deck since artifact based mana is not all that broken in Modern and red doesn't have seething song, rite of flame and most of the good options of those spell types whose overall name is escaping me right now.
Frenzy is 4 CMC do nothing. To break it requires some sort of combo and plenty of mana acceleration so I don't know maybe in some sort of RG deck since artifact based mana is not all that broken in Modern and red doesn't have seething song, rite of flame and most of the good options of those spell types whose overall name is escaping me right now.
We have plenty of rituals in Modern, and Steam-kin has really nice synergy with Frenzy. Even if it's not part of a combo, it seems like it would be nuts for something like Burn or maybe a Zoo deck. Those decks have issues with running out of gas, and Frenzy is a card that really accelerates you through that. It would have to be a bigger Burn deck to support the 4-drop, maybe a more burn-heavy version of Skred or free-win Red. There has to be a deck for this card, though, its power level is off the charts. Having played with it for like a week now, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets banned in Standard, it's that good.
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As a value card in modern it runs into the same problem every other 4 drop does which is that if it doesn't win the game or essentially win the game it's jank. That's not to say it doesn't have a home or that a combo doesn't exist, but when your opponent is playing Karn on turn 3 or storming out turn 3 or going to the dome with their 4th bolt equivalent, or taking it from your hand with Kitesail Freebooter into swinging with a 8/8 champion, or dropping some 10/10 Death Shadows it being a late game value engine is just... meh.
It can do pretty busted things. I wouldnt be surprised if something happened eventually with it, but its hard to see a Tier 1 deck at this point out of it. Storm (and GW Counters) likely remain as the Combo decks of the format, with KCI floating around depending on hate levels I guess.
One or two posters in the Jund thread are working on making Frenzied Jund (that’s not necessarily what they’re calling it, but I like the name lol) a thing. Seems interesting. I’ve also seen reports of people trying Frenzy as a 1/2-of value engine in Skred Red with mixed results.
The card’s potential is clearly insane, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t quite catch on in Modern for a while, or at least until a busted enabler is accidentally printed, lol.
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Frenzy is 4 CMC do nothing. To break it requires some sort of combo and plenty of mana acceleration so I don't know maybe in some sort of RG deck since artifact based mana is not all that broken in Modern and red doesn't have seething song, rite of flame and most of the good options of those spell types whose overall name is escaping me right now.
We have plenty of rituals in Modern, and Steam-kin has really nice synergy with Frenzy. Even if it's not part of a combo, it seems like it would be nuts for something like Burn or maybe a Zoo deck. Those decks have issues with running out of gas, and Frenzy is a card that really accelerates you through that. It would have to be a bigger Burn deck to support the 4-drop, maybe a more burn-heavy version of Skred or free-win Red. There has to be a deck for this card, though, its power level is off the charts. Having played with it for like a week now, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets banned in Standard, it's that good.
Mainstream burn wouldn't run a 4 cmc card. The odds it would be in play turn four are virtually zero. Skred looks more viable, then again skred has scrying sheets already to make sure it is always topdecking something other than a land. I'd be looking at red midrange decks without a card draw engine. Jund is a possibility, as is ponza running this as a one or two-of. Anything else would likely be a brand new deck.
Hell it took like a year and a half for people to figure out how to use bedlam reveler.
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Oh, wait, no, I don't remember that, because that didn't happen. Khans of Tarkir was a hugely successful set. The only complaint people had about the fetchlands was that Wizards of the Coast somehow thought it was a good idea to later print fetchable dual lands into the same Standard format without any hate on the interaction.
In fact, interestingly, the subsequent Standard sets that didn't have any notable reprints were the ones that weren't received as well. Standard was on a real downhill decline in popularity afterwards, and it started gaining popularity again after they did start putting in some reprints people wanted. Granted, there were a lot of other factors in Standard's loss (and more recent gain) in popularity, but it is amusing to note that when they were including valuable reprints in Standard, Standard was on an upswing in popularity, then it lost popularity when they stopped, and then it started gaining popularity again after they started again (see Crucible of Worlds and Scapeshift, and of course now the shocklands).
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Pretty much this in the long term, but many people often make a lot of money when a card is not reprinted in a particular set. I'm not sure how many people have insider information (just met a guy who claims to have that, so that's cool) or just have a hunch, but when stuff like Karn Liberated is not reprinted, it can shoot to the moon. It is ridiculous that it should ever have been an $85 card, but that's supply and demand (so it actually technically it isn't ridiculous).
Many other cards follow the same spectrum and then there's cards like Damnation and Blood Moon that have their prices bottomed out. Some cards make comebacks like Horizon Canopy. I am semi kicking myself for not buying the ICM art ones just to have more for decks when they hit $30 (I was waiting for $20). I have Canopies already, but wouldn't have minded another set with different art for another deck. But that's what happens and I currently refuse to pay $40 or more a pop for them now, especially having Future Sight ones (and foil Future Sight ones).
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I remember Karn Liberated to be only 10$, and people would laugh at someone using him when he was Standard legal. Did not expect him to blow up to almost 100$ each. Also commited a mistake with Horizon Canopies, have 3 of them future sight.. sold the first one for 50, next one for 60, and then thinking it would drop because of the reprint sold the last one for only 30, too late when I realized the reprint is limited in amount and canopies blew up in price again.
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Ask again in 3 to 6 months. People trying out the new hotness isn't a cause for concern - it making up a disproportionate meta share for a long period of time like 6 months is when we can actually ask these questions.
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I want to highlight this. I don't think the average player realizes how razor thin the margins on singles are (nor do they care), but without some equity in the game, there wouldn't really be the support necessary for tournaments and fundamentally the game itself. Without a decent EV, product isn't going to move, so while WotC doesn't necessarily care about the secondary market, they kind of have to pay attention to some degree. Afterall the secondary market is primarily LGSs and LGSs are primarily WotC's ACTUAL customers. Again it is a balancing act, but it is very easy to tank prices and ruin confidence in the people who are primarily buying the product (the LGS).
I thought it was interesting a few days ago when idSurge said he's firmly of the belief that drafting ruins standard. I can see where he's coming from without even asking for his reasons and I'm sure many people agree, so can we also apply this idea to Masters sets? I would prefer Masters sets not really be draftable; I think it would open some new formatting for packs to be built, maybe with an 8/4/2 model to help that EV, and that's still draftable so I might say they could or even should go further. If I had 2-3 shots at opening that bomb reprint I wanted for a slightly better price ratio comparison to standard packs, then I might give it a go. That way they're using actual value to attract players instead of giving us a foil in every pack that doesn't mean much anyway.
I guess the fear of changing the pack construction would be that Standard players would want to see it in their packs as well? If modern can have it why not standard? Give drafters their own packs and constructed players their own packs! Probably ends in a good argument for why Standard needs a power boost to get some more Modern level reprints into standard packs.
It's certainly a line to walk. No arguments there.
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I do think that Wizards should change their draft philosophy with Master's sets however. Not every card can be the best card in the format, but in a reprint set like MM you should always be excited by what you open.
If they were to come out and acknowledge the fact that they basically print money, they'd be up to their armpits in trouble.
Does anyone think that wizards doesn't know that cards are worth what they're worth? They do. They have the ability to print them or not. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. I guarantee it.
It is that lootbox mentality that keeps me from buying sealed product. I'd gladly buy a modern event deck or something along those lines if I knew what I would be getting.
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I have to say I havent seen much (other than Steam-Kin meme's from h0lydiva!) break out of Guilds.
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This is another great example of how ridiculous statements like "Stoneforge Mystic restricts development of Equipment" are. Creatures have regularly broken decks nearly every block for the past several years after gatekeeper was banned, but it sure doesn't stop WOTC from printing creatures with abilities that can easily be abused or broken!
As far as Rav breakouts... I'm still waiting for Risk Factor to be a thing. It has looked amazing in every Arena game I have seen it in, but I don't know if it has what it takes to take off here. I would definitely love to try it in a burn-centric Jeskai build, but I'd have to have copies of it first...
Mission Briefing seems to be a dud so far. Just too "cute" for real decks maybe? I could see a deck in URx running Pyros and Things and Delvers wanting a card like that. But decks running Pyro, Thing, and Delver are very medium to begin with, and this doesn't make it exponentially better. I think once I tire of UW myself, I'll start experimenting with something like 8-Snap UR/Jeskai.
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From my testing of Surveil, its just not working. Its too slow in Modern.
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Trophy and Chill are making significant MTGO impacts. Knight of Autumn is also showing up all over the place. Ego sees SB play, and Collector/Witness/Briefing all buffed some niche decks. Overall that's about the same impact we expect from most new sets.
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it being a 1-2 of value threat in some aggressive/burn lists, much like mono-red in standard, could make some sense. however there is all sorts of competition at that slot in modern, so i expect it to take a bit for people to figure out if its really better.
crackling drake in UR is interesting, but im dubious of its long term staying power. its a value finisher in colors primarily used for tempo so /shrug. i do think it went under the radar though.
the only other card that i can think of that people had aspirations for from GRN was Mausoleum Secrets. its a tough nut to crack, and might amount to nothing. however it also took some time for traverse to be figured out as well.
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The card’s potential is clearly insane, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t quite catch on in Modern for a while, or at least until a busted enabler is accidentally printed, lol.
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Mainstream burn wouldn't run a 4 cmc card. The odds it would be in play turn four are virtually zero. Skred looks more viable, then again skred has scrying sheets already to make sure it is always topdecking something other than a land. I'd be looking at red midrange decks without a card draw engine. Jund is a possibility, as is ponza running this as a one or two-of. Anything else would likely be a brand new deck.
Hell it took like a year and a half for people to figure out how to use bedlam reveler.