What decks cleanly answer Stirrings decks? What cards on the ban list (outside Twin, which wouldnt take over the format btw) are going to do anything? Are we going to empower decks that kill faster? I highly doubt after every ban has been done to slow down decks, thats the answer.
Ban Stirrings, and see where we go from there. Oh Tron can only dig 3 deep like the rest of us? A pity indeed.
Tron will survive and KCI will hopefully be crippled. Sheesh I have read half a dozen explanation on KCI and still don't get how it does half the stuff it does. Now I am no pro or anything close but I have seen plenty of players on camera who seem similarly confused on what to target when playing KCI.
Is the solution amongst us that Ancient Stirrings needs the ban? Or that we should be unbanning other cards?
Ancient Stirrings doesn't need a ban, so what we should be doing is unbanning cards. In fact, even if Ancient Stirrings (or anything else) did need a ban, we should be unbanning cards, because there are multiple cards on the list that don't need to be there, irrespective of whether things should be added to the banlist.
"We also look for decks that hold a large enough percentage of the competitive field to reduce the diversity of the format. In the interest of competitive diversity, Splinter Twin is banned from Modern." - Wizards, January 18th, Banned and Restricted Announcement.
Where is humans at at this point in comparison?
Look, Wizards isn't giving us Twin back. I guarantee they will ban Aether Vial before anything else, and make changes to the banned list that reflect old Extended.
Is there any particular reason to believe they won't unban Splinter Twin? Have they stated anything to that effect?
I just sent this meme I whipped up to Aaron Forsythe on twitter, lol. If I've learned anything from this PT, it's that we have another explosively fast uninteractive deck in the meta, and yet SFM is still banned for some reason...
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I just sent this meme I whipped up to Aaron Forsythe on twitter, lol. If I've learned anything from this PT, it's that we have another explosively fast uninteractive deck in the meta, and yet SFM is still banned for some reason...
Thats quality. My fighters also lost tonight in the UFC so I am FOR SURE logging out before I get myself in trouble but..your meme, is on point. The ban list is currently a complete joke, in the face of decks that keep getting broken by BLOODY NEW STANDARD CARDS.
Again, there is an excessive degree of alarmism in this thread. There is currently one legitimate target for ban speculation from a results perspective, and that's Stirrings and related decks. These decks have the best finishes across GP in 2018 and it's not particularly close. I expect it will reach or exceed Twin levels by the end of the year.
Everything else is fine, including Humans. Humans has just two T8 GP finishes in 2018. Its PT results are propped up by non-Modern factors. Looting is in a similar category but with even fewer finishes.
This whole narrative is very biased and we've seen it in this thread for literal months.
I've been playing Modern for a few years now, and the whole, "Blue needs help!" narrative has NEVER stopped, ktk.
And now it's Faithless Looting that's the problem?? NEGATIVE VALUE should be banned now?? Holy crap, this Thread just had another pitchfork sale, didn't it? I mean, Bridge could go, Stirrings could go, KCI could go, all for understandable reasons, but Looting?? Yeah, I think I'll leave this mob before they start lighting torches...
Yes those poor poor Ancient Stirrings decks they have to limit themselves to Artifacts, Eldrazi, Tron Lands and/or Colorless Walkers. You know all card types known for being weak in the history of magic. Such suffering. If that is suffering I wish to suffer like that every day.
I think I will reserve my sympathy for Green though which in main decks represents itself as 8 Noble Hierarchs, 4 Ancient Stirrings, 2 Forest and a Tasigur but eh its hybrid activation cost. Three formats and Green has got 8 Creatures, 4 Sorceries and 2 Basic Lands. Nine Hundred and Sixty Cards. Lets be generous and toss in 9 Horizon Canopies and 3 Yavimya Coasts that is like 3% of the cards have anything to do with Green. Even worse you wouldn't really call any of the decks playing Green actually Green Decks. Its a hilarious irony that Green does its best work in Modern propping up Artifacts and Eldrazi, you know abominations against nature.
Granted its hard to tell what these decks mean in Modern since its Team Tournament but these are the some of the usual suspects so nothing to out of order in my book.
Faithless Looting is positive value in most decks that play it. A Bloodghast or Vengevine is much, much better in your graveyard than in your hand.
I do feel that Looting gets put into the wrong decks sometimes, like Storm in the past or Grixis DS now. It's not enough to have cards that can be casted/reanimated from the graveyard, you need cards that are literally better in your graveyard than your hand.
Humans is a deck you can at least fight with 4-8 spot removals and some sweepers. I can't understand the banmania on this.
On the other hand, KCI is a deck that is difficult to hate upon, and this Bridgevine deck is a deck that can put 6 power on turn 1 in the battlefield.
Those two decks in particular should be suspects for bannings.
As ktk is saying, Ancient Stirrings is the one violator.
I also believe, Faithless Looting is a suspect, but I would not ban it, because that would mean Mardu Mancer would get destroyed. Also, we possibly need more time to evaluate those graveyard decks situation, but a ban along the lines of "creates sideboard wars" is not unreasonable.
Humans and twin are very similar and the ban statement for twin can easily be made for humans imo. Kci is the problem not stirrings in that deck. The other stirrings decks aren’t a problem and hate actually works against them and/or the meta call to beat them actually works where it doesn’t with kci imo.
Wotc has the actual stats obviously but I’m courious how well the kci player did in all his rounds. U/W and bridgevine (without knowing their full 75) seem to be decks well equipped to handle kci. So if those players picked up like 5 losses at the event I don’t think it’s fair to say the deck was too strong this weekend.
Humans is a deck you can at least fight with 4-8 spot removals and some sweepers. I can't understand the banmania on this.
On the other hand, KCI is a deck that is difficult to hate upon, and this Bridgevine deck is a deck that can put 6 power on turn 1 in the battlefield.
Those two decks in particular should be suspects for bannings.
As ktk is saying, Ancient Stirrings is the one violator.
I also believe, Faithless Looting is a suspect, but I would not ban it, because that would mean Mardu Mancer would get destroyed. Also, we possibly need more time to evaluate those graveyard decks situation, but a ban along the lines of "creates sideboard wars" is not unreasonable.
Humans and twin are very similar and the ban statement for twin can easily be made for humans imo. Kci is the problem not stirrings in that deck. The other stirrings decks aren’t a problem and hate actually works against them and/or the meta call to beat them actually works where it doesn’t with kci imo.
Yes, but I believe both Humans and Twin, are both totally fine at this meta. People can adjust to Humans with removals. Honestly, I see no problem here.
On the other hand, we can not play artifact hate mainboard, just like Stony Silence or graveyard hate for the Hollow one/Bridgevine decks. This, I believe, creates sideboard wars all over again, and it's a problem that must be solved somehow.
KCI may be a problem, but the Stirrings vs Preordain is an inconsistency that needs to be solved. Who cares if Tron goes Oath Of Nissa instead? They will be looking at 3 cards, just like the rest of us.
Except stirrings ban talk is just currently because of kci. Lantern, tron, amulet, and the likes don’t need to all suffer because of 1 deck. Just ban trawler, or kci then and call it a day.
Humans is a deck you can at least fight with 4-8 spot removals and some sweepers. I can't understand the banmania on this.
On the other hand, KCI is a deck that is difficult to hate upon, and this Bridgevine deck is a deck that can put 6 power on turn 1 in the battlefield.
Those two decks in particular should be suspects for bannings.
As ktk is saying, Ancient Stirrings is the one violator.
I also believe, Faithless Looting is a suspect, but I would not ban it, because that would mean Mardu Mancer would get destroyed. Also, we possibly need more time to evaluate those graveyard decks situation, but a ban along the lines of "creates sideboard wars" is not unreasonable.
Humans and twin are very similar and the ban statement for twin can easily be made for humans imo. Kci is the problem not stirrings in that deck. The other stirrings decks aren’t a problem and hate actually works against them and/or the meta call to beat them actually works where it doesn’t with kci imo.
Yes, but I believe both Humans and Twin, are both totally fine at this meta. People can adjust to Humans with removals. Honestly, I see no problem here.
On the other hand, we can not play artifact hate mainboard, just like Stony Silence or graveyard hate for the Hollow one/Bridgevine decks. This, I believe, creates sideboard wars all over again, and it's a problem that must be solved somehow.
KCI may be a problem, but the Stirrings vs Preordain is an inconsistency that needs to be solved. Who cares if Tron goes Oath Of Nissa instead? They will be looking at 3 cards, just like the rest of us.
Except stirrings ban talk is just currently because of kci. Lantern, tron, amulet, and the likes don’t need to all suffer because of 1 deck. Just ban trawler, or kci then and call it a day.
No, I disagree. There is no more KCI talk than there is an Ancient Stirrings ban talk. A possible problem is that Stirrings is the glue that holds all of the colourless decks together, adding up to a full of 30% or so of the metagame, and it's legal, while Preordain was banned for the same reason.
Stirrings was ok 3 years go, where you could play it in one or two decks and it was presenting a serious restricion. It does not anymore.
This is an inconsistency.
Also, Tron has the most top 8's inside 2018. Amulet Titan has a GP final. Hardened Affinity a missed on tierbreakers top 8. RG Eldrazi won a GP and had another top 8. KCI has the second top 8 rate of 2018.
All of those facts mean there is a problem right here, and an inconsistency.
Wiping all those from the format isn’t the answer. If your argument is that it’s not fair because blue can’t have it release it to blue don’t wipe people’s decks. That’s terrible for the player base as well the format. Tron is tron it’s good but if it’s too good then hit map and nerf it that way. Too many people lose decks every time something on a vaguely wide scale gets hit imo.
Wiping out Stirrings won't "erase those decks from the format;" it'll just reduce their efficiency and knock them down a peg. If every one of those decks is THAT reliant on one card, it should absolutely be looked at very closely, because it is obviously far too powerful as an enabler.
Also, screw Twin. Stop talking like a 2-card, easily splashable, insta-win combo is the same as a Tribal deck built on the backs of a shaky mana-base with 30+ cards all focused on making it work. I hate that people underestimate Twin; it's not coming back for the same reason Pod isn't. Imagine Twin in U/R Wizards. You cut 7 or so cards, and now have an entirely different axis your deck can just win on Turn 4? That's stupid, and should not be in this format, IMO.
Wiping out Stirrings won't "erase those decks from the format;" it'll just reduce their efficiency and knock them down a peg. If every one of those decks is THAT reliant on one card, it should absolutely be looked at very closely, because it is obviously far too powerful as an enabler.
Also, screw Twin. Stop talking like a 2-card, easily splashable, insta-win combo is the same as a Tribal deck built on the backs of a shaky mana-base with 30+ cards all focused on making it work. I hate that people underestimate Twin; it's not coming back for the same reason Pod isn't. Imagine Twin in U/R Wizards. You cut 7 or so cards, and now have an entirely different axis your deck can just win on Turn 4? That's stupid, and should not be in this format, IMO.
Amulet, lantern, bant eldrazi and the likes are barely a blip on the radar. Yes banning stirrings puts them that much further behind. Same with FL dredge, mardu, goryo’s and many more aren’t of any issue so just because a deck comes along that can be broken we want to hit a card across many decks. That’s how you push people out of formats. Should we just change the rules to ensure creatures just can’t come out of graveyards and call it a day because eventually that’s how I imagine reanimator people with think.
I have no preference on deck or deck type I play them all and love them all but many on here hate what they hate and love what they love. What they love always should be better and get better while what they hate should always be pushed right out of the format. Competitive modern is such a small part of the game that I just hate to keep seeing people lose decks they spent time and money building up to just to lose cards so some other deck in 2 months can get the same hate and wrath theirs got.
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What’s wrong with a deck winning on t4 if the opponent doesn’t have interaction? That seems like everything we want in modern right now. Interactive decks and the t4 rule to hold strong. Maybe you don’t like inf combos on or before t4? Then you probably dont think vizier should be legal anyway. Maybe it’s the fact that they get to play interactive spells? Then you would be fine with kci though and the likes of it. Maybe it’s just that your pet deck wouldn’t be playable? Then again this is the most diverse modern has ever been right? Maybe you hate blood moon? Then again tron need to go down a peg. Maybe snapcaster is the best card in the format and it provides way to much value in that deck? Then again u/r decks with snapcaster haven’t been the diverse beast we all thought post twin ban.... both sides have viable points in all the modern arguments so let’s always go the way of allowing people to play the decks they want and keep the decks they have.
This whole narrative is very biased and we've seen it in this thread for literal months.
I've been playing Modern for a few years now, and the whole, "Blue needs help!" narrative has NEVER stopped, ktk.
And now it's Faithless Looting that's the problem?? NEGATIVE VALUE should be banned now?? Holy crap, this Thread just had another pitchfork sale, didn't it? I mean, Bridge could go, Stirrings could go, KCI could go, all for understandable reasons, but Looting?? Yeah, I think I'll leave this mob before they start lighting torches...
I'm surprised that even Faithless Looting is a target for banning. Are there too many graveyard decks abusing it right now?
This whole narrative is very biased and we've seen it in this thread for literal months.
I've been playing Modern for a few years now, and the whole, "Blue needs help!" narrative has NEVER stopped, ktk.
And now it's Faithless Looting that's the problem?? NEGATIVE VALUE should be banned now?? Holy crap, this Thread just had another pitchfork sale, didn't it? I mean, Bridge could go, Stirrings could go, KCI could go, all for understandable reasons, but Looting?? Yeah, I think I'll leave this mob before they start lighting torches...
I'm surprised that even Faithless Looting is a target for banning. Are there too many graveyard decks abusing it right now?
I am not sure if you are aware, but there's a new "flavor of the week" graveyard recursion deck that happens to play Looting right now. The actual cards it abuses the most are Vengevine and Bridge from Below
You guys know I am usually very strongly against bans but I still believe humans is a big target for a ban based primarily on meta share. I'm not saying I want it banned, just that I think it is being looked at as a target by WOTC. I am still withholding any serious judgement on KCI or the new dredgevine deck as I haven't played much with them. Generally I don't care much about ancient stirrings since the only deck I ever used it in is bloom titan, but I will lose my mind if they take my faithless lootings since I use it in 5 modern decks (both teir decks and homebrews).
I think new flavor of the week decks, like dredgevine, generally need a little more time to establish if it is a mainstay or a flash in the pan before any serious ban discussion can take place.
Re: Humans
I've seen at least two comparisons to Twin. This needs to stop. Humans has two GP T8s in the last 7 months. Twin had 10+ by the end of 2015. Twin made up 19% of GP T8 decks that year. Not even Gx Tron is currently at that level, and Humans isn't even close. I know it's easy to look at SCG Opens and Day 1 Team PT #s and say the deck's share is too high, but these numbers do not matter. If the GP stats shift and Humans picks up a lot more T8s, that's something to discuss. But right now, it's speculation and hyperbole.
I have no preference on deck or deck type I play them all and love them all but many on here hate what they hate and love what they love. What they love always should be better and get better while what they hate should always be pushed right out of the format. Competitive modern is such a small part of the game that I just hate to keep seeing people lose decks they spent time and money building up to just to lose cards so some other deck in 2 months can get the same hate and wrath theirs got.
This I can agree with for the most part (Competitive Modern is basically the largest scene in Magic right now, where have you been?), but again, if your deck is non-functional without a 1-drop spell that many other decks are also non-functional without, the spell itself is a serious problem, IMO. From a balance perspective, 2-3 Tier 1 decks shouldn't only exist because they have one spell that makes them broken. The spell itself is definitely an issue if that's the case.
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What’s wrong with a deck winning on t4 if the opponent doesn’t have interaction? That seems like everything we want in modern right now. Interactive decks and the t4 rule to hold strong. Maybe you don’t like inf combos on or before t4? Then you probably dont think vizier should be legal anyway. Maybe it’s the fact that they get to play interactive spells? Then you would be fine with kci though and the likes of it. Maybe it’s just that your pet deck wouldn’t be playable? Then again this is the most diverse modern has ever been right? Maybe you hate blood moon? Then again tron need to go down a peg. Maybe snapcaster is the best card in the format and it provides way to much value in that deck? Then again u/r decks with snapcaster haven’t been the diverse beast we all thought post twin ban.... both sides have viable points in all the modern arguments so let’s always go the way of allowing people to play the decks they want and keep the decks they have.
You ignored the entire argument and only focused on "Turn 4." The argument is that every combo deck in Modern right now that can consistently win early devotes its entire deck to doing so. Humans remains powerful and fast while also being disruptive because it devotes half its deck to the tribal support it needs to accomplish that goal. So here we have a bunch of fast decks that need 30+ cards to pull off these crazy-fast powerful strategies...
...and then we have Twin winning at the same speed with a whopping 7 cards devoted to the combo. Yeah, that's totally comparable. /s
No-Ban Modern exists and has been tested. The format is nothing but Eldrazi Winter with a few Affinity decks and Infect winning here and there on Turn 2. Your, "Live and Let Live" idea is nice, but there has to be SOME regulation for a competitive format to flourish, or the whole thing dies to a pair of Tier 0 monstrosities like the days of Mirrodin Standard.
It's not enough to have cards that can be casted/reanimated from the graveyard, you need cards that are literally better in your graveyard than your hand.
Disagree. It's nice to have the card selection, and lots of decks will give up card advantage to get it. Obviously you want some graveyard use, but the only other 1 mana Modern-legal card that digs two deep and gives you a choice is Sleight of Hand, and that's nowhere near as good as Looting in terms of being able to sculpt your hand.
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Even if we aggregate the two Modern-related PT this year, here are the standings of all decks with 2+ finishes across both GP/PT, i.e. the only paper events that Wizards seems to care about for banlist purposes. And here are the deck's percentages of the total GP/PT T8 pool:
I'm adding PT in here to to artificially boost the Humans total from 2 (with just GP) to 6 (with PT added). I'm not even counting that this is a Team PT which's results shouldn't matter.
EVEN DOING THIS, Humans is only 8.8% of the total pool. When Twin got banned it was 19% of that PT/GP pool. The comparison is ridiculous, unfounded, and ungrounded from the data. KCI Stirrings decks, however, are clearly much more dominant.
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I've seen at least two comparisons to Twin. This needs to stop. Humans has two GP T8s in the last 7 months. Twin had 10+ by the end of 2015. Twin made up 19% of GP T8 decks that year. Not even Gx Tron is currently at that level, and Humans isn't even close. I know it's easy to look at SCG Opens and Day 1 Team PT #s and say the deck's share is too high, but these numbers do not matter. If the GP stats shift and Humans picks up a lot more T8s, that's something to discuss. But right now, it's speculation and hyperbole.
People will say what they need to in order to push an agenda. I know I have been guilty of the same thing with Bloodbraid Elf, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Preordain, Stoneforge Mystic, and many more. Luckily 2 of them are not an "agenda" anymore and are actually part of Modern (again in the case of BBE).
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Ban Stirrings, and see where we go from there. Oh Tron can only dig 3 deep like the rest of us? A pity indeed.
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Is there any particular reason to believe they won't unban Splinter Twin? Have they stated anything to that effect?
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Thats quality. My fighters also lost tonight in the UFC so I am FOR SURE logging out before I get myself in trouble but..your meme, is on point. The ban list is currently a complete joke, in the face of decks that keep getting broken by BLOODY NEW STANDARD CARDS.
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Everything else is fine, including Humans. Humans has just two T8 GP finishes in 2018. Its PT results are propped up by non-Modern factors. Looting is in a similar category but with even fewer finishes.
I've been playing Modern for a few years now, and the whole, "Blue needs help!" narrative has NEVER stopped, ktk.
And now it's Faithless Looting that's the problem?? NEGATIVE VALUE should be banned now?? Holy crap, this Thread just had another pitchfork sale, didn't it? I mean, Bridge could go, Stirrings could go, KCI could go, all for understandable reasons, but Looting?? Yeah, I think I'll leave this mob before they start lighting torches...
But I agree lets keep the focus on crippling KCI.
Lol no kidding tell me all about the negative value of looting in the decks building around it.
It's like but stirrings has deck building constraints! No. Not functional ones.
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I think I will reserve my sympathy for Green though which in main decks represents itself as 8 Noble Hierarchs, 4 Ancient Stirrings, 2 Forest and a Tasigur but eh its hybrid activation cost. Three formats and Green has got 8 Creatures, 4 Sorceries and 2 Basic Lands. Nine Hundred and Sixty Cards. Lets be generous and toss in 9 Horizon Canopies and 3 Yavimya Coasts that is like 3% of the cards have anything to do with Green. Even worse you wouldn't really call any of the decks playing Green actually Green Decks. Its a hilarious irony that Green does its best work in Modern propping up Artifacts and Eldrazi, you know abominations against nature.
Granted its hard to tell what these decks mean in Modern since its Team Tournament but these are the some of the usual suspects so nothing to out of order in my book.
I do feel that Looting gets put into the wrong decks sometimes, like Storm in the past or Grixis DS now. It's not enough to have cards that can be casted/reanimated from the graveyard, you need cards that are literally better in your graveyard than your hand.
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Humans and twin are very similar and the ban statement for twin can easily be made for humans imo. Kci is the problem not stirrings in that deck. The other stirrings decks aren’t a problem and hate actually works against them and/or the meta call to beat them actually works where it doesn’t with kci imo.
Wotc has the actual stats obviously but I’m courious how well the kci player did in all his rounds. U/W and bridgevine (without knowing their full 75) seem to be decks well equipped to handle kci. So if those players picked up like 5 losses at the event I don’t think it’s fair to say the deck was too strong this weekend.
Except stirrings ban talk is just currently because of kci. Lantern, tron, amulet, and the likes don’t need to all suffer because of 1 deck. Just ban trawler, or kci then and call it a day.
Wiping all those from the format isn’t the answer. If your argument is that it’s not fair because blue can’t have it release it to blue don’t wipe people’s decks. That’s terrible for the player base as well the format. Tron is tron it’s good but if it’s too good then hit map and nerf it that way. Too many people lose decks every time something on a vaguely wide scale gets hit imo.
Also, screw Twin. Stop talking like a 2-card, easily splashable, insta-win combo is the same as a Tribal deck built on the backs of a shaky mana-base with 30+ cards all focused on making it work. I hate that people underestimate Twin; it's not coming back for the same reason Pod isn't. Imagine Twin in U/R Wizards. You cut 7 or so cards, and now have an entirely different axis your deck can just win on Turn 4? That's stupid, and should not be in this format, IMO.
Amulet, lantern, bant eldrazi and the likes are barely a blip on the radar. Yes banning stirrings puts them that much further behind. Same with FL dredge, mardu, goryo’s and many more aren’t of any issue so just because a deck comes along that can be broken we want to hit a card across many decks. That’s how you push people out of formats. Should we just change the rules to ensure creatures just can’t come out of graveyards and call it a day because eventually that’s how I imagine reanimator people with think.
I have no preference on deck or deck type I play them all and love them all but many on here hate what they hate and love what they love. What they love always should be better and get better while what they hate should always be pushed right out of the format. Competitive modern is such a small part of the game that I just hate to keep seeing people lose decks they spent time and money building up to just to lose cards so some other deck in 2 months can get the same hate and wrath theirs got.
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What’s wrong with a deck winning on t4 if the opponent doesn’t have interaction? That seems like everything we want in modern right now. Interactive decks and the t4 rule to hold strong. Maybe you don’t like inf combos on or before t4? Then you probably dont think vizier should be legal anyway. Maybe it’s the fact that they get to play interactive spells? Then you would be fine with kci though and the likes of it. Maybe it’s just that your pet deck wouldn’t be playable? Then again this is the most diverse modern has ever been right? Maybe you hate blood moon? Then again tron need to go down a peg. Maybe snapcaster is the best card in the format and it provides way to much value in that deck? Then again u/r decks with snapcaster haven’t been the diverse beast we all thought post twin ban.... both sides have viable points in all the modern arguments so let’s always go the way of allowing people to play the decks they want and keep the decks they have.
I'm surprised that even Faithless Looting is a target for banning. Are there too many graveyard decks abusing it right now?
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I am not sure if you are aware, but there's a new "flavor of the week" graveyard recursion deck that happens to play Looting right now. The actual cards it abuses the most are Vengevine and Bridge from Below
I think new flavor of the week decks, like dredgevine, generally need a little more time to establish if it is a mainstay or a flash in the pan before any serious ban discussion can take place.
I've seen at least two comparisons to Twin. This needs to stop. Humans has two GP T8s in the last 7 months. Twin had 10+ by the end of 2015. Twin made up 19% of GP T8 decks that year. Not even Gx Tron is currently at that level, and Humans isn't even close. I know it's easy to look at SCG Opens and Day 1 Team PT #s and say the deck's share is too high, but these numbers do not matter. If the GP stats shift and Humans picks up a lot more T8s, that's something to discuss. But right now, it's speculation and hyperbole.
This I can agree with for the most part (Competitive Modern is basically the largest scene in Magic right now, where have you been?), but again, if your deck is non-functional without a 1-drop spell that many other decks are also non-functional without, the spell itself is a serious problem, IMO. From a balance perspective, 2-3 Tier 1 decks shouldn't only exist because they have one spell that makes them broken. The spell itself is definitely an issue if that's the case.
You ignored the entire argument and only focused on "Turn 4." The argument is that every combo deck in Modern right now that can consistently win early devotes its entire deck to doing so. Humans remains powerful and fast while also being disruptive because it devotes half its deck to the tribal support it needs to accomplish that goal. So here we have a bunch of fast decks that need 30+ cards to pull off these crazy-fast powerful strategies...
...and then we have Twin winning at the same speed with a whopping 7 cards devoted to the combo. Yeah, that's totally comparable. /s
No-Ban Modern exists and has been tested. The format is nothing but Eldrazi Winter with a few Affinity decks and Infect winning here and there on Turn 2. Your, "Live and Let Live" idea is nice, but there has to be SOME regulation for a competitive format to flourish, or the whole thing dies to a pair of Tier 0 monstrosities like the days of Mirrodin Standard.
Disagree. It's nice to have the card selection, and lots of decks will give up card advantage to get it. Obviously you want some graveyard use, but the only other 1 mana Modern-legal card that digs two deep and gives you a choice is Sleight of Hand, and that's nowhere near as good as Looting in terms of being able to sculpt your hand.
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Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
1. Gx Tron: 8 (11.8%)
2. KCI: 7 (10.3%)
3. Humans: 6 (8.8%)
4. Burn: 4 (5.9%)
5. Abzan: 4 (5.9%)
6. Jeskai Control: 4 (5.9%)
7. Affinity: 3 (4.4%)
8. RG Eldrazi: 3 (4.4%)
9. Mardu: 3 (4.4%)
10. UW Control: 3 (4.4%)
11. Hollow One: 3 (4.4%)
12. GDS: 2 (2.9%)
13. Elves: 2 (2.9%)
14. Traverse Shadow: 2 (2.9%)
15. Bogles: 2 (2.9%)
16. Amulet Titan: 2 (2.9%)
I'm adding PT in here to to artificially boost the Humans total from 2 (with just GP) to 6 (with PT added). I'm not even counting that this is a Team PT which's results shouldn't matter.
EVEN DOING THIS, Humans is only 8.8% of the total pool. When Twin got banned it was 19% of that PT/GP pool. The comparison is ridiculous, unfounded, and ungrounded from the data.
KCIStirrings decks, however, are clearly much more dominant.People will say what they need to in order to push an agenda. I know I have been guilty of the same thing with Bloodbraid Elf, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Preordain, Stoneforge Mystic, and many more. Luckily 2 of them are not an "agenda" anymore and are actually part of Modern (again in the case of BBE).
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)