As long as the discussion makes clear both formats are different beasts, and that the strength of a card during this side event is no reliable data for the other, I'm fine reading through and participating.
It already frightens me to read about Twin, Misstep, Stoneforge and the related unban discussion while NBM is closer to Legacy than Modern... Take this event for what it was and don't meld it to much with classic Modern. Otherwise I wonder when Hypergenesis or Summer Bloom will be on the table, since it did absolutely nothing this weekend !
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Pioneer - A bunch of stuff Modern - Humans Legacy - Grixis Phoenix / Death & Taxes
How big was the Eldrazi portion of the field? Given that all that was needed was to add 4 Eye of Ugin to the deck it wouldn't be surprising if it placed a lot if it was a lot of the field to start up with.
With 4 Eye and 4 Temple, how often can the deck drop a turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer? Other than that opening combo shouldn't have much to worry about the Eldrazis.
Still can't believe that on a field of flying 20 / 20 indestructibles, turn three 10 unblockable infect damage or fully powered Storm the breakout performance was done by an aggro deck even less disruptive than Humans...
Others have mentioned that it could be lack of preparation by players thinking it would be a combo fest. Ironically, such an environment could be undone by Modern's greatest aggro deck. Eldrazi has Affinity's speed and both TKS and Reality Smasher to mess with midrange and control. I wouldn't have guessed that Eldrazi would steal the tourney, but the results don't surprise me in hindsight
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Modern: UWUW Control UBRGrixis Shadow URIzzet Phoenix
Absolutly they are different formats and this was one event with little known information at the start. But to be very clear, summer bloom was in the top 32. It was number 31 and I would not argue for it.
I have argued for hypergenesis, it's just like living end but more fragile and the creatures come of of your hand instead of the grave. I played it a while in legacy. You only get one thing put into play unless your opponent keeps hypergenesis going (or you put out omniscience), then you get to keep putting things out. It sees very very little play in legacy and was openly made fun of by the commentators today for being bad at NBL modern. I'm not afraid of it. There is enough thoughtseize, remand, chalice of the void, damnation, supreme verdict, path, lilianna of the veil (-2), and others to keep it under control. It would be just another combo deck like goryo's vengance, storm, or living end winning big when it goes off and looking really bad if your opponents have interaction to shut it down. If you aren't afraid of living end then I wouldn't be afraid of hypergenesis.
How big was the Eldrazi portion of the field? Given that all that was needed was to add 4 Eye of Ugin to the deck it wouldn't be surprising if it placed a lot if it was a lot of the field to start up with.
With 4 Eye and 4 Temple, how often can the deck drop a turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer? Other than that opening combo shouldn't have much to worry about the Eldrazis.
Still can't believe that on a field of flying 20 / 20 indestructibles, turn three 10 unblockable infect damage or fully powered Storm the breakout performance was done by an aggro deck even less disruptive than Humans...
turn 2 TKS might not always happen, but eye of ugin can be used multiple times per turn. so some amount of games eye will be generating 4+ mana on turn 1 or 2. that is easily on the same level of busted as those other things you mention. turn 2 tks, turn 1 chalice, turn 1 mimics (plural) in to any other creature, and so on. the deck has a bunch of different crazy openings.
im not surprised in the least to see powered up eldrazi do well.
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Modern: UWGSnow-Bant Control BURGrixis Death's Shadow GWBCoCo Elves WCDeath and Taxes (sold)
Out of the 90 or so day 2 decks 0 of the 8 Twin decks made even top 32. Does anyone know how to calculate the odds of that happening?
Logically you can't. Twin topping isn't determined solely by chance. The power level of Twin in comparison to the rest of the meta factors into its ability to top, and that unto itself is not mathematically quantifiable. To give another example, if I walk into any Modern tournament with a Standard RB Aggro deck, getting blown out of the tournament likely has less to do with probability and likely a lot more with the fact that the standard Modern deck either can do what I want to do but better or simply has a removal package good enough to deal with my deck before I can gain any ground.
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They didn't make an extra set (I assume you refer to Conspiracy?) to give it new cards and make it more fresh. They made that to sell more stuff drafting. Conspiracy, 1 and 2, had relatively little to offer Legacy.
Well, Leovold, Recruiter of the Guard, Council's Judgment, Dack, Daretti, Sanctum Prelate etc are meaningful (funny. Without these sete D&T as it is now doesn't exist). But you're right, it's not that many. But there were some rather sweet reprints like Show and Tell, Berserk, Exploration, Pernicious Deed and Stifle.
I mean it wasn't super amazing, but it didn't suck either. I think post whatever Commander set it was when they made True-Name, they've been a bit gun shy about making new cards for Legacy via supplimental products. So I'm not disagreeing with you that they sets aren't really for Legacy but drafting. Just more of a small hope that they keep throwing in some good Legacy reprints each time they do one of these sets.
- Artifacts lands aren't enough in a Cloudpost format for Affinty to keep up with Eldrazi. They get ramped out of the game and Jitte is simply too much for them to overcome.
- Hypergenisis is garbage. It was a terrible Legacy deck even when it was vaguely popular and has only gotten worse. It also doesn't have the chutzpah to hang with NBL modern either. That being said, a Hyper Genisis/Breaching Emrakul deck feels like a combo deck Wizard's wouldn't like in modern.
- Mental Misstep is a god awful card that should never have been printed. It's insanely warping. But then I also play Vintage so see it in use regularly. And all those who didn't throw Misstep in their deck for this event and then board it out as needed didn't do any testing. Which is fair enough. I'm lucky to live in a place that has NBL Modern all the time so I get to see this format on a regular basis. Misstep is nuts.
How many of the decks played Deathrite Shaman? I don't want to try to advocate for it's unbanning any time soon in Modern. I just tend to believe that it's probably in the top 6 of cards that could be eventually unbanned, in that order. I absolutely HATE when people compare Deathrite Shaman to Mental Misstep, Skullclamp, or call it a "1 mana Planeswalker" (that dies to every removal spell BTW).
It's hard to go wrong with just Eldrazi in this format, but I personally would have loved to play Eggs, Storm, Elves, or even Bloom Titan again.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
How many of the decks played Deathrite Shaman? I don't want to try to advocate for it's unbanning any time soon in Modern. I just tend to believe that it's probably in the top 6 of cards that could be eventually unbanned, in that order. I absolutely HATE when people compare Deathrite Shaman to Mental Misstep, Skullclamp, or call it a "1 mana Planeswalker" (that dies to every removal spell BTW).
It's hard to go wrong with just Eldrazi in this format, but I personally would have loved to play Eggs, Storm, Elves, or even Bloom Titan again.
DRS is horrendously broken. See its old Modern performance. See all of Legacy. See a generic Jund list getting 14th in the entire NBL Open with only a 1 Jitte (+1 SB) and 4 DRS difference. Those three elements completely torpedo the likelihood of that ban. I am fairly confident saying he will never be unbanned in Modern, especially given that something far fairer like SFM is still banned. Twin will be unbanned before DRS.
Yes, I have to admit that by power level that Twin would be unbanned first. Okay, I'll revise it to the top 7 of cards that could be unbanned in that order. I feel like "fair Magic" is hurting (my way of saying that I want to face more Jund/Jeskai/Humans as a Titanshift player). I'll curtail the discussion here because there's more important cards to look at.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Eldrazi was also the easiest deck to build since it was already been tested during Eldrazi winter.
That said, I think that even with more tweaking no decks can reach its raw power in a format without wasteland. It's also immune to the free counters of the formats misstep and chalice using the latter pretty proficiently on its own.
As already said, I don't think that a non performace in this format can mean anything for actual modern. The only data that can be driven are for actual good performances (such as Eye of Ugin or shaman that must stay banned).
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They didn't make an extra set (I assume you refer to Conspiracy?) to give it new cards and make it more fresh. They made that to sell more stuff drafting. Conspiracy, 1 and 2, had relatively little to offer Legacy.
Well, Leovold, Recruiter of the Guard, Council's Judgment, Dack, Daretti, Sanctum Prelate etc are meaningful (funny. Without these sete D&T as it is now doesn't exist). But you're right, it's not that many. But there were some rather sweet reprints like Show and Tell, Berserk, Exploration, Pernicious Deed and Stifle.
I mean it wasn't super amazing, but it didn't suck either. I think post whatever Commander set it was when they made True-Name, they've been a bit gun shy about making new cards for Legacy via supplimental products. So I'm not disagreeing with you that they sets aren't really for Legacy but drafting. Just more of a small hope that they keep throwing in some good Legacy reprints each time they do one of these sets.
- Artifacts lands aren't enough in a Cloudpost format for Affinty to keep up with Eldrazi. They get ramped out of the game and Jitte is simply too much for them to overcome.
- Hypergenisis is garbage. It was a terrible Legacy deck even when it was vaguely popular and has only gotten worse. It also doesn't have the chutzpah to hang with NBL modern either. That being said, a Hyper Genisis/Breaching Emrakul deck feels like a combo deck Wizard's wouldn't like in modern.
- Mental Misstep is a god awful card that should never have been printed. It's insanely warping. But then I also play Vintage so see it in use regularly. And all those who didn't throw Misstep in their deck for this event and then board it out as needed didn't do any testing. Which is fair enough. I'm lucky to live in a place that has NBL Modern all the time so I get to see this format on a regular basis. Misstep is nuts.
I'll take all that, all that sounds fair. To be clear, I am not pushing to unban MM or Hypergenesis. MM does have potential to cause problems, and you seem to see that has already in your local events, but I think there would be deck evolution and our format would survive. It is a high risk unban and is not likely at all to be unbanned especially now that UW control is performing better.
That point on hypergenesis is what people always come back with. I agree WOTC doesn't want that around, but I just don't think it's good enough to take over the format. It would see play, and win some games, but that is a long way from format defining or breaking.
I feel the actual most likely unbans, even without the results of this event, are GSZ, twin and SFM in that order.
It is sort of interesting to think about how one large criticism of modern is its diversity to those who want to be ultra competitive and metagame the "best" deck. Apparently, if you just ditch the banlist in its entirety you can get exactly that - hell there was even blue based control.
Actually chalice of the void won the tournament, and with mental misstep its normal that delver, storm, DRS decks, burn and any other one mana spell decks weren't playable for the tournament.
for me the problem of eye of ugin is more sequence of super powerful plays, mimic into TKS into Smasher. Destroying efficient decks while being super efficient is core of eldrazi deck.
now, one topic that I really want to touch is the lack of a general meta game. Because of the deck dump I think modern is being hurt for not having a real meta game, it shows a great diversity but at the same time it makes to difficult to adjust the fair decks (midrange, control and maybe company decks) to the actual threats. It's a bit frustrating trying to brew or tune a deck without it.
Maybe I'm the only one feels this way.
Let me ask just one thing. Not counting scg opens, challenge tournaments and GPs, are there other BIG tournaments to keep an eye on? maybe hareruya or face to face games, any european stuff?
now, one topic that I really want to touch is the lack of a general meta game. Because of the deck dump I think modern is being hurt for not having a real meta game, it shows a great diversity but at the same time it makes to difficult to adjust the fair decks (midrange, control and maybe company decks) to the actual threats. It's a bit frustrating trying to brew or tune a deck without it.
Maybe I'm the only one feels this way.
Let me ask just one thing. Not counting scg opens, challenge tournaments and GPs, are there other BIG tournaments to keep an eye on? maybe hareruya or face to face games, any european stuff?
My observations in the "meta game" for Modern works like this:
It's hard to predict what you will face before top 16/32ish. That means you can play a bunch of different decks in the early rounds and actually lose to random jank. However, imo, if you are playing a good deck and are good at Modern, you shouldnt be losing to jank, but maybe lose to a hard MU from a tier 2-3ish deck that isnt well represented that your 75 might not be ready for.
However, if you look at each tourey, you can see trends that happen over the months of SCG opens. E.G. 'X' tourney had a good combo showing, 'Y' tourney had a good Humans showing, etc. If you can predict that type of meta, then you will do very good. But, like I said, its usually top 32 and better.
As for local tourneys, well thats the easiest to predict. Local will have nothing to do with larger tourney showings besides having the same type of decks, the percentage of them will vastly vary. There will be some people that play the same deck week in and week out for years straight, then there will be the guy that has 10 different tier decks, etc. Just gotta play a lot locally
If this is true, Humans get a REAL upgrade! Will be surely going up in power level.
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Hooray! White and green still getting better draw and filtering than blue! And on bodies that attack and block and are highly synergistic and can be uncounterable with a Cavern or Vial!
I'll take all that, all that sounds fair. To be clear, I am not pushing to unban MM or Hypergenesis. MM does have potential to cause problems, and you seem to see that has already in your local events, but I think there would be deck evolution and our format would survive. It is a high risk unban and is not likely at all to be unbanned especially now that UW control is performing better.
That point on hypergenesis is what people always come back with. I agree WOTC doesn't want that around, but I just don't think it's good enough to take over the format. It would see play, and win some games, but that is a long way from format defining or breaking.
I feel the actual most likely unbans, even without the results of this event, are GSZ, twin and SFM in that order.
I'm with you on SFM. I, along with pretty much everyone else in this thread and elsewhere agree on that one. I could potentially see Preordain come off as well. But I also saw on Tom Ross's Twitter he was doing a poll about a Reordain idea. He had it setup as Scry 1, Draw a card, Scry 1 and wanted to get people's thoughts on it. So I don't know what that means for the future of Preordain.
GSZ makes me leary. I know this isn't Legacy but there's always a risk in wide ranging tutor's. But I could certainly see it.
Twin seems like a stretch to me. Wizard's doesn't seem to like combo decks in Modern and Twin makes people even saltier then Storm does. As a combo player at heart, I wouldn't mind seeing it unbanned as I'd pick it up right away. But health wise for the format? I don't know.
now, one topic that I really want to touch is the lack of a general meta game. Because of the deck dump I think modern is being hurt for not having a real meta game, it shows a great diversity but at the same time it makes to difficult to adjust the fair decks (midrange, control and maybe company decks) to the actual threats. It's a bit frustrating trying to brew or tune a deck without it.
Maybe I'm the only one feels this way.
Let me ask just one thing. Not counting scg opens, challenge tournaments and GPs, are there other BIG tournaments to keep an eye on? maybe hareruya or face to face games, any european stuff?
My observations in the "meta game" for Modern works like this:
It's hard to predict what you will face before top 16/32ish. That means you can play a bunch of different decks in the early rounds and actually lose to random jank. However, imo, if you are playing a good deck and are good at Modern, you shouldnt be losing to jank, but maybe lose to a hard MU from a tier 2-3ish deck that isnt well represented that your 75 might not be ready for.
However, if you look at each tourey, you can see trends that happen over the months of SCG opens. E.G. 'X' tourney had a good combo showing, 'Y' tourney had a good Humans showing, etc. If you can predict that type of meta, then you will do very good. But, like I said, its usually top 32 and better.
As for local tourneys, well thats the easiest to predict. Local will have nothing to do with larger tourney showings besides having the same type of decks, the percentage of them will vastly vary. There will be some people that play the same deck week in and week out for years straight, then there will be the guy that has 10 different tier decks, etc. Just gotta play a lot locally
That's the problem of my local meta, the same people who normally play jund one day (for example) play storm or mardu or humans in the next event, they just trend a bit depending on the last big tournament
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It already frightens me to read about Twin, Misstep, Stoneforge and the related unban discussion while NBM is closer to Legacy than Modern... Take this event for what it was and don't meld it to much with classic Modern. Otherwise I wonder when Hypergenesis or Summer Bloom will be on the table, since it did absolutely nothing this weekend !
With 4 Eye and 4 Temple, how often can the deck drop a turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer? Other than that opening combo shouldn't have much to worry about the Eldrazis.
Still can't believe that on a field of flying 20 / 20 indestructibles, turn three 10 unblockable infect damage or fully powered Storm the breakout performance was done by an aggro deck even less disruptive than Humans...
Modern:
UWUW Control
UBRGrixis Shadow
URIzzet Phoenix
I have argued for hypergenesis, it's just like living end but more fragile and the creatures come of of your hand instead of the grave. I played it a while in legacy. You only get one thing put into play unless your opponent keeps hypergenesis going (or you put out omniscience), then you get to keep putting things out. It sees very very little play in legacy and was openly made fun of by the commentators today for being bad at NBL modern. I'm not afraid of it. There is enough thoughtseize, remand, chalice of the void, damnation, supreme verdict, path, lilianna of the veil (-2), and others to keep it under control. It would be just another combo deck like goryo's vengance, storm, or living end winning big when it goes off and looking really bad if your opponents have interaction to shut it down. If you aren't afraid of living end then I wouldn't be afraid of hypergenesis.
turn 2 TKS might not always happen, but eye of ugin can be used multiple times per turn. so some amount of games eye will be generating 4+ mana on turn 1 or 2. that is easily on the same level of busted as those other things you mention. turn 2 tks, turn 1 chalice, turn 1 mimics (plural) in to any other creature, and so on. the deck has a bunch of different crazy openings.
im not surprised in the least to see powered up eldrazi do well.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Eldrazi variants took 23 of 93 Day 2 decks (24.7%) and 5 of 8 Top 8 decks (62.5%).
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Modern:
UWUW Control
UBRGrixis Shadow
URIzzet Phoenix
just the top 8, which was shown after the invitational concluded.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)forgot that was also this weekend, guess I'll have to watch both
after this event, are there any safe unbans now?
Well, Leovold, Recruiter of the Guard, Council's Judgment, Dack, Daretti, Sanctum Prelate etc are meaningful (funny. Without these sete D&T as it is now doesn't exist). But you're right, it's not that many. But there were some rather sweet reprints like Show and Tell, Berserk, Exploration, Pernicious Deed and Stifle.
I mean it wasn't super amazing, but it didn't suck either. I think post whatever Commander set it was when they made True-Name, they've been a bit gun shy about making new cards for Legacy via supplimental products. So I'm not disagreeing with you that they sets aren't really for Legacy but drafting. Just more of a small hope that they keep throwing in some good Legacy reprints each time they do one of these sets.
- Artifacts lands aren't enough in a Cloudpost format for Affinty to keep up with Eldrazi. They get ramped out of the game and Jitte is simply too much for them to overcome.
- Hypergenisis is garbage. It was a terrible Legacy deck even when it was vaguely popular and has only gotten worse. It also doesn't have the chutzpah to hang with NBL modern either. That being said, a Hyper Genisis/Breaching Emrakul deck feels like a combo deck Wizard's wouldn't like in modern.
- Mental Misstep is a god awful card that should never have been printed. It's insanely warping. But then I also play Vintage so see it in use regularly. And all those who didn't throw Misstep in their deck for this event and then board it out as needed didn't do any testing. Which is fair enough. I'm lucky to live in a place that has NBL Modern all the time so I get to see this format on a regular basis. Misstep is nuts.
Modern: Storm
Legacy: ANT
It's hard to go wrong with just Eldrazi in this format, but I personally would have loved to play Eggs, Storm, Elves, or even Bloom Titan again.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)DRS is horrendously broken. See its old Modern performance. See all of Legacy. See a generic Jund list getting 14th in the entire NBL Open with only a 1 Jitte (+1 SB) and 4 DRS difference. Those three elements completely torpedo the likelihood of that ban. I am fairly confident saying he will never be unbanned in Modern, especially given that something far fairer like SFM is still banned. Twin will be unbanned before DRS.
Eldrazi Winter Returns its like The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe...Eternal Winter with no Christmas.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)That said, I think that even with more tweaking no decks can reach its raw power in a format without wasteland. It's also immune to the free counters of the formats misstep and chalice using the latter pretty proficiently on its own.
As already said, I don't think that a non performace in this format can mean anything for actual modern. The only data that can be driven are for actual good performances (such as Eye of Ugin or shaman that must stay banned).
Modern:
I'll take all that, all that sounds fair. To be clear, I am not pushing to unban MM or Hypergenesis. MM does have potential to cause problems, and you seem to see that has already in your local events, but I think there would be deck evolution and our format would survive. It is a high risk unban and is not likely at all to be unbanned especially now that UW control is performing better.
That point on hypergenesis is what people always come back with. I agree WOTC doesn't want that around, but I just don't think it's good enough to take over the format. It would see play, and win some games, but that is a long way from format defining or breaking.
I feel the actual most likely unbans, even without the results of this event, are GSZ, twin and SFM in that order.
for me the problem of eye of ugin is more sequence of super powerful plays, mimic into TKS into Smasher. Destroying efficient decks while being super efficient is core of eldrazi deck.
Maybe I'm the only one feels this way.
Let me ask just one thing. Not counting scg opens, challenge tournaments and GPs, are there other BIG tournaments to keep an eye on? maybe hareruya or face to face games, any european stuff?
My observations in the "meta game" for Modern works like this:
It's hard to predict what you will face before top 16/32ish. That means you can play a bunch of different decks in the early rounds and actually lose to random jank. However, imo, if you are playing a good deck and are good at Modern, you shouldnt be losing to jank, but maybe lose to a hard MU from a tier 2-3ish deck that isnt well represented that your 75 might not be ready for.
However, if you look at each tourey, you can see trends that happen over the months of SCG opens. E.G. 'X' tourney had a good combo showing, 'Y' tourney had a good Humans showing, etc. If you can predict that type of meta, then you will do very good. But, like I said, its usually top 32 and better.
As for local tourneys, well thats the easiest to predict. Local will have nothing to do with larger tourney showings besides having the same type of decks, the percentage of them will vastly vary. There will be some people that play the same deck week in and week out for years straight, then there will be the guy that has 10 different tier decks, etc. Just gotta play a lot locally
URStormRU
GRTitanshift[mana]RG/mana]
Hooray! White and green still getting better draw and filtering than blue! And on bodies that attack and block and are highly synergistic and can be uncounterable with a Cavern or Vial!
And yes, that is from the Mothership as of today. There's a green one too that digs 5 deep for a land and puts it directly on the battlefield: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/core-set-2019-packaging-promos-and-more-2018-06-11
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I'm with you on SFM. I, along with pretty much everyone else in this thread and elsewhere agree on that one. I could potentially see Preordain come off as well. But I also saw on Tom Ross's Twitter he was doing a poll about a Reordain idea. He had it setup as Scry 1, Draw a card, Scry 1 and wanted to get people's thoughts on it. So I don't know what that means for the future of Preordain.
GSZ makes me leary. I know this isn't Legacy but there's always a risk in wide ranging tutor's. But I could certainly see it.
Twin seems like a stretch to me. Wizard's doesn't seem to like combo decks in Modern and Twin makes people even saltier then Storm does. As a combo player at heart, I wouldn't mind seeing it unbanned as I'd pick it up right away. But health wise for the format? I don't know.
Tasty for human's. Though at 3 mana, I don't think it'll be a 4 of. Still, a creature tutor for a deck with only creatures is sweet.
Selfishly though, if this is ok and Stirring's somehow gets the boot, I'd be annoyed.
Modern: Storm
Legacy: ANT
That's the problem of my local meta, the same people who normally play jund one day (for example) play storm or mardu or humans in the next event, they just trend a bit depending on the last big tournament