The goblin potentially makes vial goblins a thing because he gives inevitability and power at the top end (where just Siege-gang isn't enough) because you can flashback Lead the Stampede and almost completely refill. That, or an all in LD deck using the aforementioned boom/bust along with blood moon and vial sounds absolutely nasty. I'm VERY excited about this card.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet really reminds me more of a black Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Same cost and flying body. Linvala stops more things, which is more akin to the white color pie, but kalitas stops a lot of graveyard shenanigans and value creatures that can be hard for black based decks to contend with. Just being able to <insert doom blade variant> a wurmcoil engine, kitchen finks or Voice of Resurgence at parody is reason enough for me to test it. Getting the zombies when you kill something is just value. I mean if i cast him and he dies before hand, well the same can be said about tapping out to Linvala when she's good too, but should you untap with him? man, I'm likely to be killing your guys anyway, giving me bodies on top of that just seems great, which is something one can't say for the aforementioned linvala. Add in the lifelink and random ability to just keep getting bigger and I think we have a solid modern playable.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet really reminds me more of a black Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Same cost and flying body. Linvala stops more things, which is more akin to the white color pie, but kalitas stops a lot of graveyard shenanigans and value creatures that can be hard for black based decks to contend with. Just being able to <insert doom blade variant> a wurmcoil engine, kitchen finks or Voice of Resurgence at parody is reason enough for me to test it. Getting the zombies when you kill something is just value. I mean if i cast him and he dies before hand, well the same can be said about tapping out to Linvala when she's good too, but should you untap with him? man, I'm likely to be killing your guys anyway, giving me bodies on top of that just seems great, which is something one can't say for the aforementioned linvala. Add in the lifelink and random ability to just keep getting bigger and I think we have a solid modern playable.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet really reminds me more of a black Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Same cost and flying body. Linvala stops more things, which is more akin to the white color pie, but kalitas stops a lot of graveyard shenanigans and value creatures that can be hard for black based decks to contend with. Just being able to <insert doom blade variant> a wurmcoil engine, kitchen finks or Voice of Resurgence at parody is reason enough for me to test it. Getting the zombies when you kill something is just value. I mean if i cast him and he dies before hand, well the same can be said about tapping out to Linvala when she's good too, but should you untap with him? man, I'm likely to be killing your guys anyway, giving me bodies on top of that just seems great, which is something one can't say for the aforementioned linvala. Add in the lifelink and random ability to just keep getting bigger and I think we have a solid modern playable.
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Linvala doesn't have lifelink - what's your point?
Can you also target Living End and Restore Balance with the Goblin? I dismissed the Goblin at first because of its 5 mana, but those suspend spells can get an extra dimension when you aren't married to cmc>2 spells.
You can. Restore Balance and Living End have a CMC of 0, so you can Goblin them back without paying their mana cost (which you couldn't pay anyway because they don't have a mana cost).
That Endbringer though. That's a hell of a lot of versatility if you're willing to commit to colorless mana sources. A powerful new option for the modern Eldrazi deck a lot of people (me included) are trying to get off the ground. Shoots down spirits and pestermites, locks down big threats, psuedo-vigilance, and can draw cards in the late game. Not to mention with eldrazi temple and eye of ugin he can come down as early as turn 3
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I agree--Endbringer looks nifty for the 8-Sol-land Eldrazi (Processor) Stompy deck. I suspect you need more than just 4 Eldrazi Temple to support it, though, as from my testing of "Sea Gate Ruins" in a Junk Midrange deck with 24 lands of which 2 are Sea Gate Ruins and only 3 others can produce colourless mana, Sea Gate Ruins often spends the early and mid-game not being paired with any other sources of <>. Ghost Quarter is OK in the more-<> slot, but Cavern of Souls is even better because it never needs to be popped.
I can't see Endbringer in RG Tron, though--the equal-costed Wurmcoil Engine is more resilient to removal and is a godsend to the defensive RG Tron's life total, and the also-equal-costed Conduit of Ruin immediately tutors for threats that either makes creatures get exiled instead of unable to attack or block or draws at least 2 and likely 3 cards on the spot the turn that Conduit loses summoning sickness. Yes, more than half the time, I can cast the fatty I search for with Conduit the turn after I stick Conduit even if Conduit dies before I untap with it.
I'm testing Goblin Dark-Dwellers in Skred Red and Breach Trap right now. Skred Red has its burn and sweepers to recur, and Breach Trap has ramp and some sweepers.
Is Goblin Dark-Dwellers a card that might slot into Mardu/Dega midrange as a curve-topper? It has a decent selection of cards to hit (Bolt, Helix, Path, Terminate, Kommand, Lingering Souls(sort of)), flipping it to Bobs hurts but they have a decent amount of main board life-gain.
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Endbringer has the same cmc of Mindslaver.
And it does nothing in the turn it comes into play, because his ability require tap.
I would prefer add more copies of Mindslaver rather then try Endbringer.
It does kill x/1 creature, it does that as soon as it comes in the play while Mindslaver really does nothing when it hitd the field. He also has body so he can attack or block and also his other 2 abilities are pretty solid.This doesn't mean that Endbringer is better that Mindslaver neither that it will replace it but that it is good enough to see some play.
Endbringer doesn't have Haste, so it cannot activate any of its tap abilities the turn it ETB. Slaver is usually cast on 10 or more mana in Mono-U Tron, so it gets popped immediately.
Is Goblin Dark-Dwellers a card that might slot into Mardu/Dega midrange as a curve-topper? It has a decent selection of cards to hit (Bolt, Helix, Path, Terminate, Kommand, Lingering Souls(sort of)), flipping it to Bobs hurts but they have a decent amount of main board life-gain.
Goblin Dark-Dwellers looks like a fine curve-topper in Rx Non-Twin, Non-Kiki Chord Midrange in general. Sadly, flipping it to Bob hurts (luckily not as much as flipping Tasigur), it doesn't quite play nice with Delve (although maybe, like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy and Tiago, it and Delve guys can come to an agreement), and it gets half-hosed by opposing Scavenging Ooze. But get enchantment removal in the yard (such as discarding it at EOT in frustration), and the Dark-Dwellers can blow up Blood Moon with red mana only!
Endbringer reminds me of when a bunch of people hyped Mercurial Chemister in Standard (obviously not Modern since it dies to Bolt). The card looked pretty strong back then, but didn't end up seeing any play (not even in sideboards).
Endbringer is obviously stronger but I still get that "meh" feeling. It's basically a Consecrated Sphinx where you have to tap out for the effect plus your opponent has a larger window to interact with it before it gives you value. The fact that it combos with Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple is nice, but no "real" decks play the Temple and Mono Blue Tron doesn't play Eye. Pinging and tapping is nice too, but I still think that Sphinx overall is a stronger card.
Linvala doesn't have lifelink - what's your point?
Probably that Darkbrews response was to a post claiming they shared the same cost and flying body.
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I am really worried that GDD will be more expensive than I am comfortable paying for a while. I hope I'm wrong the exp lottery causes enough packs to be opened that rares will get diluted a bit. The Johnny in me really drools at that card. I gotta mock something up and test it in my Glittering Hot Mess deck that no one likes.
EDIT: Just noticed it is the BaB promo, and I don't think those are ever all that expensive.
Tried "Sea Gate Ruins" in Lantern Control and it's been so much better than in Junk Midrange. Yes, Lantern Control leans on Ensnaring Bridge, but yes, I can reliably play both cards I draw per turn once I have 4 lands, so I stay Hellbent! It's been good enough that I'm seriously considering playing a second one.
I thought that lantern control was already really tight on available slots for colorless lands though?
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Endbringer reminds me of when a bunch of people hyped Mercurial Chemister in Standard (obviously not Modern since it dies to Bolt). The card looked pretty strong back then, but didn't end up seeing any play (not even in sideboards).
Endbringer is obviously stronger but I still get that "meh" feeling. It's basically a Consecrated Sphinx where you have to tap out for the effect plus your opponent has a larger window to interact with it before it gives you value. The fact that it combos with Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple is nice, but no "real" decks play the Temple and Mono Blue Tron doesn't play Eye. Pinging and tapping is nice too, but I still think that Sphinx overall is a stronger card.
Yeah, Endbringer looks like an absurd limited rare, but I would be rather surprised if it had any impact on 60 card formats.
I think Endbringer is worth testing in any Eldrazi temple deck/eye of ugin deck. It will depend what else is printed in oath but I could see taking out a single Blightherder for it, or going down to one Ulamog. I just feel like no matter what you're playing against one of it's abilities is going to do work, and you'll get a vigilant 5/5 to boot. That said, I dont think it will go in tron, and if you're not ramping it out w/ tron or Eldrazi lands you probably shouldn't play it. So the various flavors of <>B Eldrazi decks are probably the only modern builds that want it.
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I think Endbringer is worth testing in any Eldrazi temple deck/eye of ugin deck. It will depend what else is printed in oath but I could see taking out a single Blightherder for it, or going down to one Ulamog. I just feel like no matter what you're playing against one of it's abilities is going to do work, and you'll get a vigilant 5/5 to boot. That said, I dont think it will go in tron, and if you're not ramping it out w/ tron or Eldrazi lands you probably shouldn't play it. So the various flavors of <>B Eldrazi decks are probably the only modern builds that want it.
I agree that the only place I see Endbringer in Modern is Eldrazi Processors, but I disagree with pulling Blight Herder for it. As conditional as processing can sometimes be, all I feel that Oblivion Sower's ramp is good for is ramping into big Eldrazi (such as Newlamog) and enabling the an-Eldrazi-every-turn-with-Eye of Ugin endgame. Especially since I remember seeing lists with fewer than 4 Oblivion Sower in them, I'd rather pull an Oblivion Sower (or, dare I say, two). Blight Herder's sheer versatility and 7 power for 5 mana are too good to ignore.
Alternately, I'm also a fan of going down to 1 Newlamog.
Yeah I think going down to one newlamog will be the eventual move regardless of whether or not Endbringer is good enough. I'm already running a lower number of sowers which is why I was thinking of Herder. Testing will see! In the mean time hoping for more new tech out of this set.
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Linvala doesn't have lifelink - what's your point?
You can. Restore Balance and Living End have a CMC of 0, so you can Goblin them back without paying their mana cost (which you couldn't pay anyway because they don't have a mana cost).
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As for the card itself, it's basically Staff of Nin attached to a body. Or an Olivia/Tasigur hybrid. RG Tron or the Processor deck might want it.
The more giant colorless threats there are in the format, the better Ancient Stirrings gets.
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I can't see Endbringer in RG Tron, though--the equal-costed Wurmcoil Engine is more resilient to removal and is a godsend to the defensive RG Tron's life total, and the also-equal-costed Conduit of Ruin immediately tutors for threats that either makes creatures get exiled instead of unable to attack or block or draws at least 2 and likely 3 cards on the spot the turn that Conduit loses summoning sickness. Yes, more than half the time, I can cast the fatty I search for with Conduit the turn after I stick Conduit even if Conduit dies before I untap with it.
I'm testing Goblin Dark-Dwellers in Skred Red and Breach Trap right now. Skred Red has its burn and sweepers to recur, and Breach Trap has ramp and some sweepers.
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In the yard: RUG Delver, Kiki-Chord, Grixis Twin, Mardu Control, Smallpox, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Delver, Assault Loam, Elves, Deathcloud, Eggs, Storm
Endbringer doesn't have Haste, so it cannot activate any of its tap abilities the turn it ETB. Slaver is usually cast on 10 or more mana in Mono-U Tron, so it gets popped immediately.
Careful with Endbringer in Mono-U Tron: Endbringer isn't an artifact, so it cannot be recurred with Academy Ruins, discarded to Thirst for Knowledge, or found by Treasure Mage.
Goblin Dark-Dwellers looks like a fine curve-topper in Rx Non-Twin, Non-Kiki Chord Midrange in general. Sadly, flipping it to Bob hurts (luckily not as much as flipping Tasigur), it doesn't quite play nice with Delve (although maybe, like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy and Tiago, it and Delve guys can come to an agreement), and it gets half-hosed by opposing Scavenging Ooze. But get enchantment removal in the yard (such as discarding it at EOT in frustration), and the Dark-Dwellers can blow up Blood Moon with red mana only!
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Endbringer is obviously stronger but I still get that "meh" feeling. It's basically a Consecrated Sphinx where you have to tap out for the effect plus your opponent has a larger window to interact with it before it gives you value. The fact that it combos with Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple is nice, but no "real" decks play the Temple and Mono Blue Tron doesn't play Eye. Pinging and tapping is nice too, but I still think that Sphinx overall is a stronger card.
Probably that Darkbrews response was to a post claiming they shared the same cost and flying body.
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EDIT: Just noticed it is the BaB promo, and I don't think those are ever all that expensive.
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Yeah, Endbringer looks like an absurd limited rare, but I would be rather surprised if it had any impact on 60 card formats.
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I agree that the only place I see Endbringer in Modern is Eldrazi Processors, but I disagree with pulling Blight Herder for it. As conditional as processing can sometimes be, all I feel that Oblivion Sower's ramp is good for is ramping into big Eldrazi (such as Newlamog) and enabling the an-Eldrazi-every-turn-with-Eye of Ugin endgame. Especially since I remember seeing lists with fewer than 4 Oblivion Sower in them, I'd rather pull an Oblivion Sower (or, dare I say, two). Blight Herder's sheer versatility and 7 power for 5 mana are too good to ignore.
Alternately, I'm also a fan of going down to 1 Newlamog.
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GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"