With so much Infect and BG/x as well as control, Affinity all the way. Great against Infect, good matchup against Jund and good matchup against UW/x control. Affinity is just the best Modern deck overall in the sense that it can beat anything to me, but it's a fair deck because if you want to beat it, then sideboard cards can give it a really hard time. In all, I'd play that.
I wouldn't play Bogles with so many BG/x, it'll be suicide (Lili and discard kills it). Grishoalbrand is also not great against BG/x and control, so not the way to go.
Personnally, I'd play the only deck that speaks to me in all of the deck that exist and have existed : Ad Nauseam. I just don't care being 2-2 because I faced BG/x and Infect. I'd say you can learn to deal with discard and it's something that you can manage depending on your hand, but Infect is just unwinnable (unless you play Wish Ad Nauseam to fetch in your sideboard Firespout of Fracturing Gust).
With so much Infect and BG/x as well as control, Affinity all the way. Great against Infect, good matchup against Jund and good matchup against UW/x control. Affinity is just the best Modern deck overall in the sense that it can beat anything to me, but it's a fair deck because if you want to beat it, then sideboard cards can give it a really hard time. In all, I'd play that.
I wouldn't play Bogles with so many BG/x, it'll be suicide (Lili and discard kills it). Grishoalbrand is also not great against BG/x and control, so not the way to go.
Personnally, I'd play the only deck that speaks to me in all of the deck that exist and have existed : Ad Nauseam. I just don't care being 2-2 because I faced BG/x and Infect. I'd say you can learn to deal with discard and it's something that you can manage depending on your hand, but Infect is just unwinnable (unless you play Wish Ad Nauseam to fetch in your sideboard Firespout of Fracturing Gust).
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This is an interesting perspective. I felt like nobody wanted to play Affinity (although the usual Affinity players were absent) because they were scared of Thopter Sword. I also assumed that BGx and Infect would be good. Here's why. BGx plays a lot of removal and Infect being creature-light, could end up being affected by Liliana of the Veil as well. I have heard from others that BGx vs. Infect is around 50/50. I thought that Affinity would have trouble with Infect because Affinity will be forced to play the "control role," but maybe if Infect doesn't draw Blighted Agent, Affinity has a good chance at blocking. I actually felt like Affinity has gotten hurt a bit by the unbannings; specifically Thopter/Sword.
Regarding Bogles, I have always played 8 fetches and 2 Dryad Arbor (although more than 1 is rarely needed). I have won nearly 80% of my matches vs. BGx with Bogles since playing it over a year and a half ago (but I play lots of other decks as well). Friday brought my average down with 1-1, but I don't mind because I realize that the mulls to 6 that I had ended up not drawing well in the end while my opponent drew nearly perfectly to get me (for example, he could have drawn 2 Path to Exile instead of 3 Lingering Souls in the first game and it would have been very different. I have also had 4 Leyline of Sanctity and 2 Rest in Peace in my SB. With Grishoalbrand, I had an even better record vs. Jund. I played Grishoalbrand for a month and ended at 19-3 vs. Jund (one Junk included). I was 14-0 at one point until I triple punted during a WMCQ. I'm not sure what happened to me there.
It's funny that you mention Ad "Wishium," because that was in fact one of our Ad Nauseams. The 2nd place finisher has dodged Infect, but he had beaten GBx when he faces it. This has surprised me because GBx is one of the reasons why my Ad Nauseam has been on the shelf. My reason? I feel like it is tough to beat GBx without Leyline of Sanctity, whereas the difference with Bogles is that I can win without it if I draw decently.
I feel a bit bad because a lot of my experience has differed from yours, so it seems like I'm arguing. But I appreciate your point of view. I just have to go with what works for me in the end, but thanks for your response. I have pretty tough "what deck should I play?" questions, so I appreciate any responses.
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I'm really surprised by your results with both Bogles and Grishoalbrand against Jund. It goes without saying that I've never seen such results : the best Bogles player I know is at best around 60% against BG/x and the others are lingering at 40%.
I know that on paper, Affinity seems to have a thougher matchup against Thopter/Sword combo, but still, I'm convinced that it's the best deck out there nonetheless and it can win pretty much any game 1 : postboard, it will depend on a lot of things, but it's just the deck I'd pick out of any deck over the years to bet on a top 8 finish. In your meta, I wouldn't be concerned at all by any bad matchup. Infect, BG/x, UW/x control, etc. : it's all favorable but can be tricky sometimes.
Regarding Ad Nauseam : I invite you to pick up the deck whenever you feel you want to, even if the meta is not favorable. I'd say right now, it's one the best paper meta for Ad Nauseam. The worst thing is Infect, by far, so you have to dodge it, but the deck is not as present as last year. BG/x is on the downside, so discard being the second worst thing, it's improving greatly the position of the deck. Afterwards, control is on the rise and the deck is designed to beat it with techy lands and methodical card searching. Feel free to PM again if you want more details.
Thanks for the reply. I completely realize that most Modern players believe Bogles to do absolutely terribly vs. GBx.
This is what I found in the matchup. If you watch Paul Cheon's stream with Bogles where he played against 3 BGx in 4 rounds, he basically punted the 2 losses that he had. When the turn is coming up where BGx can possibly cast Liliana of the Veil, you absolutely have to cast another creature (or 1 of 8 fetchlands to get Dryad Arbor). You have to do this even if it costs you doing 8 less damage because GBx is a deck that wins on resources. It doesn't matter if they are at 1 life. They can simply kill their own Bob if they need to (since most of their removal is dead vs. you anyway) or draw a Scavenging Ooze and gain a million life from all their creatures that chump blocked. They can use Abrupt Decay on the correct Aura (like Spirit Mantle) to keep them from losing early on. They can simply draw discard and you never draw another creature or have the chance to EoT fetch for Dryad Arbor and slap an Umbra on him. I will leave it at that, but my record counting last FNM is 47-13, 78%. Nearly 1/3 to 1/2 of this has been at Comp REL like WMCQ, GPTs, PPTQs, SCG Classic IQs, and the such.
Honestly with Grishoalbrand, I felt very lucky. When I was 14-0, I was SUUUUPER scared to face Jund because I knew that no deck can beat Jund that badly. Even GR Tron could possibly be 11-3 at best at that point. My key to winning was going off super quickly, dodging Scavenging Ooze, and Blood Moon out of the SB locking up games. Yes, even against Jund, Blood Moon was the card that won me most of my SB games. Doing it on turn 1 or turn 2 is not as devastating to Jund as it was to Bloom Titan, but you would be surprised how much time this gives you to Through the Breach something large without the threat of Terminate (or with it when it is Worldspine Wurm). I do feel like I got a bit lucky and near the end, I started mulliganing a lot and I had some extreme variance vs. Jund, so I can definitely see the other side of variance (whereas I probably drew pretty well early on).
I think a really good Affinity player probably could do well, but I know that I don't play it as well as I play Bogles or Grishoalbrand. I should be able to play it fairly optimally, as I play test with it at home all the time, but I just don't have the confidence. Not to mention, me never doing a Shatterstorm against an Affinity opponent ever scares me that my opponents will in fact do that to me quite often.
I just don't feel confident playing Ad Nauseam against BGx or Infect. I don't mind playing vs. Control, Aggro, or most other Combo decks, but the thing in my testing that happened to me more often than it probably should is that I couldn't find the namesake. And I had plenty of digging...
Thanks for the response. It's always good to have some back and forth where you're not arguing.
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Playing at a new store tonight. I know there is Jund, UWR geist, infect and Melira CoCo. Was wondering which types of decks match up well against something like this. I have access to UWR, (no visions), Jund/Junk, Fish, Infect...could probably put together a T2/3 deck as well....any ideas? Thanks!
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Playing at a new store tonight. I know there is Jund, UWR geist, infect and Melira CoCo. Was wondering which types of decks match up well against something like this. I have access to UWR, (no visions), Jund/Junk, Fish, Infect...could probably put together a T2/3 deck as well....any ideas? Thanks!
jund!!
50/50 mirror
discard+bob+liliana take care of UWR
discard/bolt/decay against infect and melira
Haha thanks! I love playing Jund, but hav't played in a while. Time to dust off those goyfs
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I'm looking for some fun deck (while still being somewhat competitive) and can't decide between Mono G Devotion and U/UW Tron. The decks are really different but both are about spending massive amount mana ;p
to me the biggest question is: do you want to play the control/reactive role or the aggresive/proactive one?
if you want to take the initiative and force your gameplay, then go with mono G devotion.
If you like to adapt to the meta, having answer to what your opponent play while scheming your gameplan, go with tron.
Pre thopter at least U tron is the superior choice between UW and U, things may change with thopter, but i would go with U tron first (since is both cheaper and better than UW) and then "upgrade" to UW (and only if thopter is a good gameplan in this deck, with result that back up this).
Hi,Right now i have an incomplete affy ( need 4 ravager and one more mox opal, anywhere i have proxys) ,in my playgroup theres a lot of hate,son basically i cant win a single game after sideboard, the decks i play against are naya burn, merfolks,blue moon,elves,infect,grixis control,mono u turns and uw control,all of them have sideboard answers against artifacts. I want to go to a tournament but i cant go with an affy without ravagers and them are totally out of budgert,so what i can do is sell the whole deck and buy another modern deck,im thinking about infect and RG Tron,i have a base for the two so i can afford them almost full ( say no grooves of the burnwillows and no misty rainforest,option are karplusan forest and windsweth/wooded) so,what do you think should i keep affy and look for am twist?? ( maybe more burn, galvánica+shrapnel ) or completely change the deckand search new horizons???
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Hi,Right now i have an incomplete affy ( need 4 ravager and one more mox opal, anywhere i have proxys) ,in my playgroup theres a lot of hate,son basically i cant win a single game after sideboard, the decks i play against are naya burn, merfolks,blue moon,elves,infect,grixis control,mono u turns and uw control,all of them have sideboard answers against artifacts. I want to go to a tournament but i cant go with an affy without ravagers and them are totally out of budgert,so what i can do is sell the whole deck and buy another modern deck,im thinking about infect and RG Tron,i have a base for the two so i can afford them almost full ( say no grooves of the burnwillows and no misty rainforest,option are karplusan forest and windsweth/wooded) so,what do you think should i keep affy and look for am twist?? ( maybe more burn, galvánica+shrapnel ) or completely change the deckand search new horizons???
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If you can build either Infect or RG Tron with only those lands missing, I would build one of them. Playing Tron without Grove of the Burnwillows will hurt your aggro matchups but otherwise it doesn't hurt the deck that badly. For Infect you can just play with playsets of Windswept Heath and Wooded Foothills. You don't need Misty Rainforest at all (except maybe as a ninth fetch) since the deck doesn't play any basic islands. Both of those decks would be much more competitive than Affinity without Arcbound Ravager.
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well right now i dont know if RG Tron is the best option,seems like is mutating sicne the banning of eye of ugin, i like infect since the beggining,i have a monogreen one,but the UG version is much better,so to be honest i dont know what to do,except for make the proxies and test both for a while (got to be honest,kinda hurt selling the affy,but i wont buy the ravagaers,here in argentina each one cost like a 25% of a normal salary)
Abzan has been putting up solid numbers lately. That was partially due to a favourable Eldrazi matchup though. It's probably still the better deck though, but hard to say when the format got shaken up as much as it did.
Hey guys, just wanted to get a little input. In the past I've been attracted to decks that ultimately got banned out(Amulet Bloom, Colorless Eldrazi). Fortunately I've been able to sell off the cards before the bannings occurred, so I have some $$$ for a new deck. I love combo and control/tempo (U/R is my fav color combo). Are there any good tempo decks out there right now? How's U/R Delver looking in the current meta? What about combo? Ad Naus and Scapeshift both look interesting.
Nemesis, you can go with a hybrid affinity deck.
G1 you win with affinity, and then game 2, you switch out and bring in 15 infect cards like blighted agent and glistener elf, with rampant growths or titanic growths or might of old krosa, whatever pump spells you prefer..
Switch out your ornithopters and memnites, and the mox opals for Noble Hierarch.
Collected Company Elves (except for Cavern of Souls and Horizon Canopy). Budget Monored Burn. A bunch of standard cards since I started playing during the Khans block.
Colors you like to play:
Big fan of BG decks - my favorite standard deck was a scavenge deck from the budget forum here. Enjoy playing my Elves deck but I think it will be hit by increase in control-based decks. Open to considering new options too!
Style you like to play (control, combo, aggro, midrange, tempo, ramp, rogue):
Ramp, combo, rogue - some interaction. Would love a deck that shuts down control players as I find that they suck all of the fun out of the game.
Level you want to play at, or aim to build up to (causal, fmn, ptq):
You could play Elves and if you maximize how you play, you could do decently vs. many decks. You are correct though that Elves has historically (and now as well) had a poor matchup vs. Control decks. If you want to beat Control, Zoo may be the best option. Early damage finished with a flurry of Burn can get the job done. I don't know how many copies of Lightning Helix are in the Control decks that you'll face, but Zoo seems decent. Of course, you can make Jund or Junk good too, but I'm not sure what your budget is and Goyf is cheaper than Goyf + Liliana of the Veil.
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Thanks for the advice! I haven't really looked at Zoo yet but will do some research. Probably already have the cards to make a decent start of a deck too.
No problem. It was the first thing that came to mind, although I know many decks can beat Control. I personally felt very good vs. Control when I played Scapeshift and when I played Grishoalbrand. With Scapeshift, they have a 1 play win with plenty of countermagic backup while Grishoalbrand has plenty of time to splice Arcane spell and sculpt an unbeatable hand with EoT effects. But I realize that these don't lean toward your likes.
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I currently have Burn and Jund sleeved up. I am thinking about building a Scapeshift deck because I think I need to add at combo deck to my collection. However, I do not know which version to build. Should I build the one with Primeval Titan, Prismatic Omen, or Bring to Light? Should I be asking this question in the Scapeshift thread?
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I currently have Burn and Jund sleeved up. I am thinking about building a Scapeshift deck because I think I need to add at combo deck to my collection. However, I do not know which version to build. Should I build the one with Primeval Titan, Prismatic Omen, or Bring to Light? Should I be asking this question in the Scapeshift thread?
I noticed your name in this weekend's SCG tournament. Congratulations, you did pretty darn well!
I think the best thing to do is to ask Daryl Ayers, perhaps on facebook or the like. He is an avid Scapeshift player and afficianado. My opinion is that I like just the regular RUG one, but I've also played RG Breach (without Scapeshift). Bring to Light seems sweet, but I'm not sure what it does to the mana base. Prismatic Omen is one I wanted to try. I played it a long time ago in an Extended version and it was solid, but nothing is like 4 Remand, 4 Snapcaster Mage, and 4 Cryptic Command in a deck and I think only RUG Scapeshift caters to.
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Hey guys, I'm currently looking around for a deck that wins the game with in big and flashy ways (such as planes walker cards or flipping thing in the ice) while giving the pilot time to enjoy the flashy win. I also enjoy the control variant BW in standard, as well as fighting over my ticking Jace, The Mind Sculptor in legacy. An example of something that I don't enjoy too much would be, cheating out a turn 4 emrakul/ grisselbrand with haste in legacy and having my opponent concede on the spot. Similarly, playing scapeshift and bursting my opponent for 18 damage isn't too much fun to do. I do enjoy Gx tron, and am currently watching the thread. I'm posting to find out if there are any other decks in modern that fit my tastes other than Tron.
I'll be in Tokyo for 2 weeks soon, but didn't pack a deck as I wasn't initially planning to be there. I love playing Magic in Tokyo, it's a very special city for MTG. So, I thought I'd just pick up a deck there (a luxury provided by the Hareruya center and dozens of other retailers).
I want a decent modern deck that duplicates as few as possible of the cards I already own. I already have:
-UWR Control
-Abzan company
-UR Tron
-Jund
And, I don't really like linear aggro or burn strategies (so, no Affinity or Burn for me, thanks).
What can I play?
Thanks
living end?
ad naseum combo?
storm?
death and taxes? (there is a really good Wb eldrazi list right now)
I wouldn't play Bogles with so many BG/x, it'll be suicide (Lili and discard kills it). Grishoalbrand is also not great against BG/x and control, so not the way to go.
Personnally, I'd play the only deck that speaks to me in all of the deck that exist and have existed : Ad Nauseam. I just don't care being 2-2 because I faced BG/x and Infect. I'd say you can learn to deal with discard and it's something that you can manage depending on your hand, but Infect is just unwinnable (unless you play Wish Ad Nauseam to fetch in your sideboard Firespout of Fracturing Gust).
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This is an interesting perspective. I felt like nobody wanted to play Affinity (although the usual Affinity players were absent) because they were scared of Thopter Sword. I also assumed that BGx and Infect would be good. Here's why. BGx plays a lot of removal and Infect being creature-light, could end up being affected by Liliana of the Veil as well. I have heard from others that BGx vs. Infect is around 50/50. I thought that Affinity would have trouble with Infect because Affinity will be forced to play the "control role," but maybe if Infect doesn't draw Blighted Agent, Affinity has a good chance at blocking. I actually felt like Affinity has gotten hurt a bit by the unbannings; specifically Thopter/Sword.
Regarding Bogles, I have always played 8 fetches and 2 Dryad Arbor (although more than 1 is rarely needed). I have won nearly 80% of my matches vs. BGx with Bogles since playing it over a year and a half ago (but I play lots of other decks as well). Friday brought my average down with 1-1, but I don't mind because I realize that the mulls to 6 that I had ended up not drawing well in the end while my opponent drew nearly perfectly to get me (for example, he could have drawn 2 Path to Exile instead of 3 Lingering Souls in the first game and it would have been very different. I have also had 4 Leyline of Sanctity and 2 Rest in Peace in my SB. With Grishoalbrand, I had an even better record vs. Jund. I played Grishoalbrand for a month and ended at 19-3 vs. Jund (one Junk included). I was 14-0 at one point until I triple punted during a WMCQ. I'm not sure what happened to me there.
It's funny that you mention Ad "Wishium," because that was in fact one of our Ad Nauseams. The 2nd place finisher has dodged Infect, but he had beaten GBx when he faces it. This has surprised me because GBx is one of the reasons why my Ad Nauseam has been on the shelf. My reason? I feel like it is tough to beat GBx without Leyline of Sanctity, whereas the difference with Bogles is that I can win without it if I draw decently.
I feel a bit bad because a lot of my experience has differed from yours, so it seems like I'm arguing. But I appreciate your point of view. I just have to go with what works for me in the end, but thanks for your response. I have pretty tough "what deck should I play?" questions, so I appreciate any responses.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I know that on paper, Affinity seems to have a thougher matchup against Thopter/Sword combo, but still, I'm convinced that it's the best deck out there nonetheless and it can win pretty much any game 1 : postboard, it will depend on a lot of things, but it's just the deck I'd pick out of any deck over the years to bet on a top 8 finish. In your meta, I wouldn't be concerned at all by any bad matchup. Infect, BG/x, UW/x control, etc. : it's all favorable but can be tricky sometimes.
Regarding Ad Nauseam : I invite you to pick up the deck whenever you feel you want to, even if the meta is not favorable. I'd say right now, it's one the best paper meta for Ad Nauseam. The worst thing is Infect, by far, so you have to dodge it, but the deck is not as present as last year. BG/x is on the downside, so discard being the second worst thing, it's improving greatly the position of the deck. Afterwards, control is on the rise and the deck is designed to beat it with techy lands and methodical card searching. Feel free to PM again if you want more details.
Cheers!
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This is what I found in the matchup. If you watch Paul Cheon's stream with Bogles where he played against 3 BGx in 4 rounds, he basically punted the 2 losses that he had. When the turn is coming up where BGx can possibly cast Liliana of the Veil, you absolutely have to cast another creature (or 1 of 8 fetchlands to get Dryad Arbor). You have to do this even if it costs you doing 8 less damage because GBx is a deck that wins on resources. It doesn't matter if they are at 1 life. They can simply kill their own Bob if they need to (since most of their removal is dead vs. you anyway) or draw a Scavenging Ooze and gain a million life from all their creatures that chump blocked. They can use Abrupt Decay on the correct Aura (like Spirit Mantle) to keep them from losing early on. They can simply draw discard and you never draw another creature or have the chance to EoT fetch for Dryad Arbor and slap an Umbra on him. I will leave it at that, but my record counting last FNM is 47-13, 78%. Nearly 1/3 to 1/2 of this has been at Comp REL like WMCQ, GPTs, PPTQs, SCG Classic IQs, and the such.
Honestly with Grishoalbrand, I felt very lucky. When I was 14-0, I was SUUUUPER scared to face Jund because I knew that no deck can beat Jund that badly. Even GR Tron could possibly be 11-3 at best at that point. My key to winning was going off super quickly, dodging Scavenging Ooze, and Blood Moon out of the SB locking up games. Yes, even against Jund, Blood Moon was the card that won me most of my SB games. Doing it on turn 1 or turn 2 is not as devastating to Jund as it was to Bloom Titan, but you would be surprised how much time this gives you to Through the Breach something large without the threat of Terminate (or with it when it is Worldspine Wurm). I do feel like I got a bit lucky and near the end, I started mulliganing a lot and I had some extreme variance vs. Jund, so I can definitely see the other side of variance (whereas I probably drew pretty well early on).
I think a really good Affinity player probably could do well, but I know that I don't play it as well as I play Bogles or Grishoalbrand. I should be able to play it fairly optimally, as I play test with it at home all the time, but I just don't have the confidence. Not to mention, me never doing a Shatterstorm against an Affinity opponent ever scares me that my opponents will in fact do that to me quite often.
I just don't feel confident playing Ad Nauseam against BGx or Infect. I don't mind playing vs. Control, Aggro, or most other Combo decks, but the thing in my testing that happened to me more often than it probably should is that I couldn't find the namesake. And I had plenty of digging...
Thanks for the response. It's always good to have some back and forth where you're not arguing.
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jund!!
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VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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RIP Twin
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mono-blue-tron-25750#online
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-nyxwave-24920#online
to me the biggest question is: do you want to play the control/reactive role or the aggresive/proactive one?
if you want to take the initiative and force your gameplay, then go with mono G devotion.
If you like to adapt to the meta, having answer to what your opponent play while scheming your gameplan, go with tron.
Pre thopter at least U tron is the superior choice between UW and U, things may change with thopter, but i would go with U tron first (since is both cheaper and better than UW) and then "upgrade" to UW (and only if thopter is a good gameplan in this deck, with result that back up this).
sorry for my bad english
If you can build either Infect or RG Tron with only those lands missing, I would build one of them. Playing Tron without Grove of the Burnwillows will hurt your aggro matchups but otherwise it doesn't hurt the deck that badly. For Infect you can just play with playsets of Windswept Heath and Wooded Foothills. You don't need Misty Rainforest at all (except maybe as a ninth fetch) since the deck doesn't play any basic islands. Both of those decks would be much more competitive than Affinity without Arcbound Ravager.
RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
G1 you win with affinity, and then game 2, you switch out and bring in 15 infect cards like blighted agent and glistener elf, with rampant growths or titanic growths or might of old krosa, whatever pump spells you prefer..
Switch out your ornithopters and memnites, and the mox opals for Noble Hierarch.
Catches your opponent completely flat footed!
Collected Company Elves (except for Cavern of Souls and Horizon Canopy). Budget Monored Burn. A bunch of standard cards since I started playing during the Khans block.
Colors you like to play:
Big fan of BG decks - my favorite standard deck was a scavenge deck from the budget forum here. Enjoy playing my Elves deck but I think it will be hit by increase in control-based decks. Open to considering new options too!
Style you like to play (control, combo, aggro, midrange, tempo, ramp, rogue):
Ramp, combo, rogue - some interaction. Would love a deck that shuts down control players as I find that they suck all of the fun out of the game.
Level you want to play at, or aim to build up to (causal, fmn, ptq):
Occasional FNM with eventual buildup to PTQ.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
Modern
RUBW Affinity
BGR Midrange
UWR Control
RG Titan Shift
RW Burn
GW Bogles
G Tron
Add Jace's Phantasm, and they won't know which 1/1 to Bolt!
I noticed your name in this weekend's SCG tournament. Congratulations, you did pretty darn well!
I think the best thing to do is to ask Daryl Ayers, perhaps on facebook or the like. He is an avid Scapeshift player and afficianado. My opinion is that I like just the regular RUG one, but I've also played RG Breach (without Scapeshift). Bring to Light seems sweet, but I'm not sure what it does to the mana base. Prismatic Omen is one I wanted to try. I played it a long time ago in an Extended version and it was solid, but nothing is like 4 Remand, 4 Snapcaster Mage, and 4 Cryptic Command in a deck and I think only RUG Scapeshift caters to.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)living end?
ad naseum combo?
storm?
death and taxes? (there is a really good Wb eldrazi list right now)