What's everybody's opinion on promo Snapcaster Mages?
Are they going to slowly decrease in price like other promos (Vendilion Clique, Natural Order) did? They do seem to be slowly decreasing by looking at MKM's price trend.
You mean the RPTQ promos? I can't imagine they'll have the slightest effect on prices. The people who want to buy it weren't interested in regular Snapcasters and the people who want regular Snapcasters don't want to pay extra for the promo version. Even ignoring that, the amount actually given out is pretty darn tiny.
When is the best time to buy Scalding Tarns? I'm want to play Grixis Delver in the upcoming modern season and it's the only card I'm missing. I'm currently playing 2 Bloodstained and 2 Flooded Strand in it's place.
When is the best time to buy Scalding Tarns? I'm want to play Grixis Delver in the upcoming modern season and it's the only card I'm missing. I'm currently playing 2 Bloodstained and 2 Flooded Strand in it's place.
If you want to play with a card immediately the answer to "when is the best time" is always "now." It's "now" because you get to play with it immediately, which is your express goal, and because prices can always keep going up. That said, if you don't need it immediately then it's up to when you personally think it may see a reprint. MM17 hasn't been confirmed yet but it's more likely than not that the set will be next summer. However, they haven't included fetches in their other 2 MM products, so it's hit or miss. Any it's anybody's guess whether they'll include fetches in any upcoming Standard sets.
Is it the current RPTQ reward? I'm not up on that right now. If it is, it will likely go down as more are put into the market but once another promo takes its place will be the valley on the price.
What's everybody's opinion on promo Snapcaster Mages?
Are they going to slowly decrease in price like other promos (Vendilion Clique, Natural Order) did? They do seem to be slowly decreasing by looking at MKM's price trend.
You mean the RPTQ promos? I can't imagine they'll have the slightest effect on prices. The people who want to buy it weren't interested in regular Snapcasters and the people who want regular Snapcasters don't want to pay extra for the promo version. Even ignoring that, the amount actually given out is pretty darn tiny.
That's not what I was asking though.
My question is this: is promo Snap's price going to keep going down? Where is it going to eventually stabilize?
I'm not interested in regulard Snaps
Oh, sorry, I misread your message.
It's the promo for the next season of RPTQs (happening midway through August) so it might drop down a little when that happens. It's also slated to be the promo for the one after that, but obviously it's still several months until that would take effect.
It surprises me it's worth so much, though. The art is a major downgrade from the original. I'd much rather have a foil version of a regular Snapcaster Mage than the RPTQ promo.
What about investing on Grishoalbrand cards? i need 4x Through the Breach and 4x Goryos Vengeance to complete the deck, but are a little expensive right now, like 77.00euros and 70euros each playset, almost 150.00e ...its worth it?
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What about investing on Grishoalbrand cards? i need 4x Through the Breach and 4x Goryos Vengeance to complete the deck, but are a little expensive right now, like 77.00euros and 70euros each playset, almost 150.00e ...its worth it?
I don't think the prices are going anywhere anytime soon. The prices seem to have stabilized since the hype, although I've noticed that Through the Breach has had a somewhat recent uptick. CFB is/was buying them for $20, so that pretty much alludes to the sign that they are close to worth $40 a piece. I have a Grishoalbrand deck and a nearly foiled Grishoalbrand deck (not Temple of Malice or Blackcleave Cliffs) and I pretty much see the deck as a deck that I love, with no monetary gain at all. Many cards would be tough to sell as well, although Through the Breach is played in RG Scapeshift variants and Blue Moon variants as well.
Since I play Legacy as well, it's never really a loss to me (well, at least with the cards you named).
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What about investing on Grishoalbrand cards? i need 4x Through the Breach and 4x Goryos Vengeance to complete the deck, but are a little expensive right now, like 77.00euros and 70euros each playset, almost 150.00e ...its worth it?
I don't think the prices are going anywhere anytime soon. The prices seem to have stabilized since the hype, although I've noticed that Through the Breach has had a somewhat recent uptick. CFB is/was buying them for $20, so that pretty much alludes to the sign that they are close to worth $40 a piece. I have a Grishoalbrand deck and a nearly foiled Grishoalbrand deck (not Temple of Malice or Blackcleave Cliffs) and I pretty much see the deck as a deck that I love, with no monetary gain at all. Many cards would be tough to sell as well, although Through the Breach is played in RG Scapeshift variants and Blue Moon variants as well.
Since I play Legacy as well, it's never really a loss to me (well, at least with the cards you named).
It's a deck that features Goryo's Vengeance which is a prospect for ban. Many top pros have said it will eventually need to be banned because it hampers design space within the card pool quite a bit. I wouldn't invest there.
I don't see it getting banned. If they wanted to ban it they had plenty of time already. The deck is not putting up any result lately. No reason to think Goryo is going to get banned. And I agree the prices aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd buy them without worries.
The deck is one or two cards away from getting banned. It's safe where it is, but if it can crank up the Turn 2 win rate and increase its consistency, it won't be long for the format. ~OR~ if it increases its consistency, it will be a great test case to see what Wizards will and won't ban, now that the PT is no longer a factor.
I wouldn't buy into the deck my self the deck is full of cards that don't work in any other deck so if it does get a card or two banned your stuck with a bunch of cards that may not fit in any other deck.
I ended up getting a Nahiri I needed on Saturday for $40. My buddy said he'd sell me two of his and 2 Voices I need off him as well since they're $40 as well
Seriously paid double for it? I mean I get buying from friends is cool but double? Did you need it that night?
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I don't see it getting banned. If they wanted to ban it they had plenty of time already. The deck is not putting up any result lately. No reason to think Goryo is going to get banned. And I agree the prices aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd buy them without worries.
The deck is one or two cards away from getting banned. It's safe where it is, but if it can crank up the Turn 2 win rate and increase its consistency, it won't be long for the format. ~OR~ if it increases its consistency, it will be a great test case to see what Wizards will and won't ban, now that the PT is no longer a factor.
Let's look at it from a different perspective: the deck is one Deathrite Shaman-esque critter away from being unplayably bad. If Wizards ever decides to print a "fixed" DRS that functions as maindeck grave hate without being too format-warping, the deck takes a steep turn towards Tier Unplayable.
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Anyone think Liliana The last Hope has any hope of maintaining her price point and having relevancy in modern? She seems like a good card, but I'm curious how she will stack up to her prior incarnation that took modern by storm.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Goryo seems remarkably stable despite only seeing fringe play... If you need it, get it.
It is also played in Legacy Tin Fins, although that is also a very fringe, yet super powerful deck. Some people call Grishoalbrand the Modern "Tin fins."
I don't see it getting banned. If they wanted to ban it they had plenty of time already. The deck is not putting up any result lately. No reason to think Goryo is going to get banned. And I agree the prices aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd buy them without worries.
The deck is one or two cards away from getting banned. It's safe where it is, but if it can crank up the Turn 2 win rate and increase its consistency, it won't be long for the format. ~OR~ if it increases its consistency, it will be a great test case to see what Wizards will and won't ban, now that the PT is no longer a factor.
Let's look at it from a different perspective: the deck is one Deathrite Shaman-esque critter away from being unplayably bad. If Wizards ever decides to print a "fixed" DRS that functions as maindeck grave hate without being too format-warping, the deck takes a steep turn towards Tier Unplayable.
This could be said about any card and is hardly a reason not to buy a card. There could also possibly be a card that Goryo's Vengeance does even better things with, although that's probably as likely as your scenario. Contrary to people's belief, Grishoalbrand does not fold to grave hate. They have Through the Breach and can do it pretty consistently on turn 3, utilizing splicing on Nourishing Shoal to cost 1 less, Simian Spirit Guide(s), Desperate Ritual(s), or any combination of them to Breach a) Griselbrand or b) Worldspine Wurm. With Faithless Looting, Night's Whisper, and some number of Tormenting Voice, it shouldn't be super tough to find. The accolades with this deck are low because really good players rarely play it, not because the deck doesn't have game in Modern.
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When is the best time to pick up Jace, Vryn's Prodigy now that it has rotated out of Standard? I do not need him for a deck, just for my Planeswalker collection. Thank you.
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Looking at the new Lili I think people are right on her price dropping after the hype dies down. She's basically on the same power level as Ajani Vengeant, only she's 3 cmc instead, her +1 is basically a nerfed dead-weight, and her -2 is a filtering / card advantage engine that will probably slot into a few decks.
Might be a few more than the 3 cmc Nissa.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Anyone think Liliana The last Hope has any hope of maintaining her price point and having relevancy in modern? She seems like a good card, but I'm curious how she will stack up to her prior incarnation that took modern by storm.
I imagine she'll drop unless she finds a Standard home. She's not bad but in Modern she's significantly worse than LotV, I don't see her being anything other than a budget replacement for LotV. In Modern, her +1 is average, her -2 is average and her big minus sucks, I can't see her making any waves here therefore I don't see her going anywhere but down from the (around) $30 she is currently.
I think that the two Lili's fill vastly different roles. LotV wants to be in a hell-bent shell with a few creatures and substantial amount of removal to keep the board clean. This is why she is so great in Jund/Abzan/Mardu and is pretty awful in Grixis or in any creature shell (so far the only thing close is something like a Melira Company deck). LtlH, on the other hand, doesn't apply hand pressure and synergizes much more with the graveyard and creature-based strategies. For this reason, it's much easier to keep countermagic up with her, while backing her up with Taz or continuously cycling snapcasters or value creatures (Voice, Finks). I think that the new Lili will slot very well (and I plan to test it) in Grixis as you can rebuy snapcaster, fulminator and fuel delve, while keeping the board somewhat clear of creatures with the +1. She doesn't pressure the opponent's hand (or yours) so countermagic is good to go. I would also think she could be used in an Abzan creature deck to rebuy creatures while milling stuff like souls or something.
All that verbiage aside, I do agree that her price will drop. I think that LotV has more homes across legacy/modern; however I think the new Lili does slot into some existing archetypes and may even spawn new ones. I can see her settling 15-20 as I tihk she is still quite powerful, though very different, from LotV
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Anyone think Liliana The last Hope has any hope of maintaining her price point and having relevancy in modern? She seems like a good card, but I'm curious how she will stack up to her prior incarnation that took modern by storm.
No. Besides Origins jace, no planeswalker that is standard legal is that expensive. She will calm down to $15ish or less in a month or so.
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Liliana, the last hope is good against Spirts so I don't think she will bottom out my guess is about $14-15. If you need to pick up Flip jace don't get greedy because I think a buy out on Jace is coming around or shortly after rotation. Flip Jace will likely never be reprinted do to logistics in printing.
Last Hope seems to be well positioned in a Standard where breaking the Sylvan Advocate deadlock is relevant, so I expect her to be in the $30-$40 range.
OH WELL I DIDN'T NEED COPIES OF HER ANYWAY...
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It's the promo for the next season of RPTQs (happening midway through August) so it might drop down a little when that happens. It's also slated to be the promo for the one after that, but obviously it's still several months until that would take effect.
It surprises me it's worth so much, though. The art is a major downgrade from the original. I'd much rather have a foil version of a regular Snapcaster Mage than the RPTQ promo.
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I don't think the prices are going anywhere anytime soon. The prices seem to have stabilized since the hype, although I've noticed that Through the Breach has had a somewhat recent uptick. CFB is/was buying them for $20, so that pretty much alludes to the sign that they are close to worth $40 a piece. I have a Grishoalbrand deck and a nearly foiled Grishoalbrand deck (not Temple of Malice or Blackcleave Cliffs) and I pretty much see the deck as a deck that I love, with no monetary gain at all. Many cards would be tough to sell as well, although Through the Breach is played in RG Scapeshift variants and Blue Moon variants as well.
Since I play Legacy as well, it's never really a loss to me (well, at least with the cards you named).
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)It's a deck that features Goryo's Vengeance which is a prospect for ban. Many top pros have said it will eventually need to be banned because it hampers design space within the card pool quite a bit. I wouldn't invest there.
The deck is one or two cards away from getting banned. It's safe where it is, but if it can crank up the Turn 2 win rate and increase its consistency, it won't be long for the format. ~OR~ if it increases its consistency, it will be a great test case to see what Wizards will and won't ban, now that the PT is no longer a factor.
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StaffLet's look at it from a different perspective: the deck is one Deathrite Shaman-esque critter away from being unplayably bad. If Wizards ever decides to print a "fixed" DRS that functions as maindeck grave hate without being too format-warping, the deck takes a steep turn towards Tier Unplayable.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
It is also played in Legacy Tin Fins, although that is also a very fringe, yet super powerful deck. Some people call Grishoalbrand the Modern "Tin fins."
This could be said about any card and is hardly a reason not to buy a card. There could also possibly be a card that Goryo's Vengeance does even better things with, although that's probably as likely as your scenario. Contrary to people's belief, Grishoalbrand does not fold to grave hate. They have Through the Breach and can do it pretty consistently on turn 3, utilizing splicing on Nourishing Shoal to cost 1 less, Simian Spirit Guide(s), Desperate Ritual(s), or any combination of them to Breach a) Griselbrand or b) Worldspine Wurm. With Faithless Looting, Night's Whisper, and some number of Tormenting Voice, it shouldn't be super tough to find. The accolades with this deck are low because really good players rarely play it, not because the deck doesn't have game in Modern.
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Origins doesn't rotate until October.
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Might be a few more than the 3 cmc Nissa.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think that the two Lili's fill vastly different roles. LotV wants to be in a hell-bent shell with a few creatures and substantial amount of removal to keep the board clean. This is why she is so great in Jund/Abzan/Mardu and is pretty awful in Grixis or in any creature shell (so far the only thing close is something like a Melira Company deck). LtlH, on the other hand, doesn't apply hand pressure and synergizes much more with the graveyard and creature-based strategies. For this reason, it's much easier to keep countermagic up with her, while backing her up with Taz or continuously cycling snapcasters or value creatures (Voice, Finks). I think that the new Lili will slot very well (and I plan to test it) in Grixis as you can rebuy snapcaster, fulminator and fuel delve, while keeping the board somewhat clear of creatures with the +1. She doesn't pressure the opponent's hand (or yours) so countermagic is good to go. I would also think she could be used in an Abzan creature deck to rebuy creatures while milling stuff like souls or something.
All that verbiage aside, I do agree that her price will drop. I think that LotV has more homes across legacy/modern; however I think the new Lili does slot into some existing archetypes and may even spawn new ones. I can see her settling 15-20 as I tihk she is still quite powerful, though very different, from LotV
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No. Besides Origins jace, no planeswalker that is standard legal is that expensive. She will calm down to $15ish or less in a month or so.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
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UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
OH WELL I DIDN'T NEED COPIES OF HER ANYWAY...