Yeah, I'd hang on to the Groves. Even if RG tron wanes in popularity, Kiki Pod still plays them in modern, and all the decks that use Punishing Fire in Legacy will keep it propped up in value.
Yo guys with the new season coming up I'm torning about selling my r/g urzatron or not...I really like it and it's fun to play but what makes me unsure about keeping it are the prices of the cards..like karn, emrakul, wurmcoils and burnwillows. Should I sell'em now? Will they get lower in value?
I would sell the burnwillows and everything R/G in the deck. The only tron decks being played are U/x Tron. Selling the rest is up to you, for idk where those prices will go.
Every piece of metagame data I've seen says otherwise.
I sold my Groves (4x Japanese FS that I got for a $1 a piece just after they were released, and 1x FTV) when they were at $30 because in all the years I have had them I have never wanted to use them in a deck. The decks that like the card are generally decks I am not fond of playing. I think that they could slowly rise in price over the year, but you should weigh your priorities. Are you selling them to get more Modern tier 1 cards or juts to turn a profit? No judgement either way, but if you are selling them to get more Modern cards will the additional growth in the price (which I think will be small) be worth not being able to play some other Modern card you would have purchase?
All that said, I will agree with others and say that RG Tron is the only tron variant that has consistantly put up results in modern both online and in meatspace. The other pop up now and then, but the redundancy in RG mana tutor suite combined with some of the most insanely stupid cards in Modern (I mean that in the nicest way) makes the deck really hard to recover from if you don't hate it early and HARD. I loathe facing the deck, but I gotta admit that it is because it is such a reliable deck.
I asked earlier, but the thread quickly moved past, I just acquired a set of FNM foil Remands and DCI foil Path to Exiles, are these likely to continue to increase in value due to the special printing? And should I dump my regular remands and paths now or wait? Both were recently printed, so I'm inclined to hold on to them until it's been a while longer.
yeah, FNM remands and DCI paths will only increase in price. they are highly desired and played cards in the format. i was in the market for FNM remands, but they've since moved out of my range for pimp.
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I sold my Groves (4x Japanese FS that I got for a $1 a piece just after they were released, and 1x FTV) when they were at $30 because in all the years I have had them I have never wanted to use them in a deck. The decks that like the card are generally decks I am not fond of playing. I think that they could slowly rise in price over the year, but you should weigh your priorities. Are you selling them to get more Modern tier 1 cards or juts to turn a profit? No judgement either way, but if you are selling them to get more Modern cards will the additional growth in the price (which I think will be small) be worth not being able to play some other Modern card you would have purchase?
All that said, I will agree with others and say that RG Tron is the only tron variant that has consistantly put up results in modern both online and in meatspace. The other pop up now and then, but the redundancy in RG mana tutor suite combined with some of the most insanely stupid cards in Modern (I mean that in the nicest way) makes the deck really hard to recover from if you don't hate it early and HARD. I loathe facing the deck, but I gotta admit that it is because it is such a reliable deck.
Really now? I thought Zoo and other aggro decks pushed out RG tron?
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Grixis Bloo
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Land Wipe Maelstrom Wanderer
Selvala, Hearth of the Wilds Eldrazi
I sold my Groves (4x Japanese FS that I got for a $1 a piece just after they were released, and 1x FTV) when they were at $30 because in all the years I have had them I have never wanted to use them in a deck. The decks that like the card are generally decks I am not fond of playing. I think that they could slowly rise in price over the year, but you should weigh your priorities. Are you selling them to get more Modern tier 1 cards or juts to turn a profit? No judgement either way, but if you are selling them to get more Modern cards will the additional growth in the price (which I think will be small) be worth not being able to play some other Modern card you would have purchase?
All that said, I will agree with others and say that RG Tron is the only tron variant that has consistantly put up results in modern both online and in meatspace. The other pop up now and then, but the redundancy in RG mana tutor suite combined with some of the most insanely stupid cards in Modern (I mean that in the nicest way) makes the deck really hard to recover from if you don't hate it early and HARD. I loathe facing the deck, but I gotta admit that it is because it is such a reliable deck.
Really now? I thought Zoo and other aggro decks pushed out RG tron?
The meta did push it out. More Storm, more Twin, less Jund. Zoo was pretty good against it too from what I hear, though I suspect it doesn't factor in much now since Zoo isn't that popular. In the more combo-oriented meta, the deck that doesn't interact with combos is obviously going to do worse, hence RG Tron is in a bad spot.
What do you guys think about the Shadowmoor filterlands? There are huge differences in price. Which are worth to buy in? I think BG and maybe UW have peaked out, but I am interested in RG and RB and maybe UG. I do not get why the BW land sits at more than most of the others as I have never seen it played. UR could be worth it too as it produces blue.
I don't know what people are talking about when they claim GR Tron has been "pushed out." It's still about 5% of the meta.
Recently it has picked up. The meta is shifting since they're realizing Zoo isn't a deck. After the GP the stats for RG Tron were abysmal. If you look at the Proven section, it's the first time I can recall RG Tron not being there. It really says something about how it's positioned right now. People are simply choosing not to play it.
I don't know what people are talking about when they claim GR Tron has been "pushed out." It's still about 5% of the meta.
Recently it has picked up. The meta is shifting since they're realizing Zoo isn't a deck. After the GP the stats for RG Tron were abysmal. If you look at the Proven section, it's the first time I can recall RG Tron not being there. It really says something about how it's positioned right now. People are simply choosing not to play it.
Actually, I think Tron is positioned pretty well right now, people just aren't realizing it.
I cannot figure out Flusterstorm. Part of me senses a reprint like Scavenging or Strix. The storm mechanic means we won't see it in M-whatever but I think it may come out in a special non-standard product or even a DD. Is its current price of $35 sneaky good (ie; it will continue to rise considerably) or crazy high? I am also unsure of this making the proverbial cut for MM2.
Even if they did remake it I don't see cards like this going any higher. I saw a lot of posts similar to this one that asked about cards such as counters and other small cards on the old thread. The thing with cards like this is they can easily be replaced by a slightly less viable but much cheaper card. When I'm looking at cards and trying to figure out if they'll go up go through the process of elimination. Basically if the card is a good card, can not be replaced by cheaper but very similar cards and is absolutely necessary to run decks it will reach above $50. Goyf Bob and sac lands are perfect examples of this. They are all absolutely necessary in multiple if not most decks and they haven't seen large amounts of reprints. A lot of times people will ask about cards such as counters or removal, there will basically always be a cheaper form of it for a slight downgrade.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern:
DredgeVine EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima Standard:
Well keep in mind flusterstorm is the premiere anti blue, anti combo counterspell. You can't counter it
Pretty much this. I wasn't trolling the thread and I understand it's not in Modern right now. But given its playability and role as no doubt a "top counter" if it ever entered the Modern pool, what happens to its price? This was my original question. Would it be seen as a good pick up right now (financially)? Or will it sink due to reprinting?
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It would probably sink, you don't need a counterspell like that in modern. No combo decks play enough counters of their own to really matter (except maybe ad nauseaum), and the curves aren't as efficient and as low as in legacy/vintage; counterflux does its job better in modern.
What do you guys think about the Shadowmoor filterlands? There are huge differences in price. Which are worth to buy in? I think BG and maybe UW have peaked out, but I am interested in RG and RB and maybe UG. I do not get why the BW land sits at more than most of the others as I have never seen it played. UR could be worth it too as it produces blue.
I think that these incredibly ripe for reprinting and since a lot of people have given up hope for a fall reprint of fetches (I still have some hope, but I am an idealist) I think that these are the next most likely to be reprinted. Most of them are absurdly over-priced and that is almost entirely due to supply being so small. In modern they are used as one or two of's just to round out a complex mana base, but almost never run as a full set. They can create problems with having the right mana at the right time, and cannot create colored mana turn one (most of the time). For these reasons I think that if they were widely reprinted in current block numbers the prices would crash because the price right now is just inflated.
TLDR: I would not invest in them now due to high reprint potential and the fact that the price right now is almost entirely due to supply and not demand.
Note: I want to point out that I am talking about if you are investing for monetary gain. If you want to play with them then buy them and have a blast. Yea, they might crash in 5 months (or even be printed in M15 for that matter), but in the mean time all the fun you might have with them might outweigh the inflated price you paid.
What are people's thoughts on Voice of Resurgence? It actually doesn't see that much play in Standard due to Mono-Black and Lifebane Zombie hating out G/W Aggro. Will it drop come rotation?
What are people's thoughts on Voice of Resurgence? It actually doesn't see that much play in Standard due to Mono-Black and Lifebane Zombie hating out G/W Aggro. Will it drop come rotation?
It's already seen a significant drop down to the $20 mark. I'd honestly expect this card to hit the $10 mark post rotation and maybe bounce back up to $15-20 again (it was a mythic in a small print run). It's good, but the hype on it drove up prices into the $50-60 range at one time. I would stay away from this card from an investment standpoint, but if you need them for a deck now, you might as well pick them up as it won't be rotating for a while.
What are people's thoughts on Voice of Resurgence? It actually doesn't see that much play in Standard due to Mono-Black and Lifebane Zombie hating out G/W Aggro. Will it drop come rotation?
It's already seen a significant drop down to the $20 mark. I'd honestly expect this card to hit the $10 mark post rotation and maybe bounce back up to $15-20 again (it was a mythic in a small print run). It's good, but the hype on it drove up prices into the $50-60 range at one time. I would stay away from this card from an investment standpoint, but if you need them for a deck now, you might as well pick them up as it won't be rotating for a while.
I'm looking for it mainly to build G/W Hatebears, but I can wait until rotation. I'll probably just pick up the 1-2 dollar stuff first, since I figure those likely won't say low.
What are people's thoughts on Voice of Resurgence? It actually doesn't see that much play in Standard due to Mono-Black and Lifebane Zombie hating out G/W Aggro. Will it drop come rotation?
It's already seen a significant drop down to the $20 mark. I'd honestly expect this card to hit the $10 mark post rotation and maybe bounce back up to $15-20 again (it was a mythic in a small print run). It's good, but the hype on it drove up prices into the $50-60 range at one time. I would stay away from this card from an investment standpoint, but if you need them for a deck now, you might as well pick them up as it won't be rotating for a while.
I agree 100%. At it's hype price fewer people were willing to add it to decks because it rarely wins games (which isn't what you'd expect from a card at that price), but after it drops a bit post rotation I see people who were interested in the card to mess around with (like myself) to pick them up and see that they are good stall creatures for a combat damage deck.
What are people's thoughts on Voice of Resurgence? It actually doesn't see that much play in Standard due to Mono-Black and Lifebane Zombie hating out G/W Aggro. Will it drop come rotation?
It's already seen a significant drop down to the $20 mark. I'd honestly expect this card to hit the $10 mark post rotation and maybe bounce back up to $15-20 again (it was a mythic in a small print run). It's good, but the hype on it drove up prices into the $50-60 range at one time. I would stay away from this card from an investment standpoint, but if you need them for a deck now, you might as well pick them up as it won't be rotating for a while.
I'm looking for it mainly to build G/W Hatebears, but I can wait until rotation. I'll probably just pick up the 1-2 dollar stuff first, since I figure those likely won't say low.
I'd pick up the Aven Mindcensors, Scavenging Oozes, Tectonic Edges, and Leonin Arbiters first, as those are the Hatebears cards with the most potential to spike.
I'd pick up the Aven Mindcensors, Scavenging Oozes, Tectonic Edges, and Leonin Arbiters first, as those are the Hatebears cards with the most potential to spike.
I just don't see any of these spiking. They are all general utility cards that have been established as good for a long time and have had a very reasonable price, so most of the people that want them have them. They could creep up based on people entering the format and seeing hatebears as an easier deck to build, but I don't see a reason for these to spike.
All that said, I will agree with others and say that RG Tron is the only tron variant that has consistantly put up results in modern both online and in meatspace. The other pop up now and then, but the redundancy in RG mana tutor suite combined with some of the most insanely stupid cards in Modern (I mean that in the nicest way) makes the deck really hard to recover from if you don't hate it early and HARD. I loathe facing the deck, but I gotta admit that it is because it is such a reliable deck.
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Really now? I thought Zoo and other aggro decks pushed out RG tron?
Modern:
BR Control
Grixis Bloo
EDH:
Food Chain Prossh
Land Wipe Maelstrom Wanderer
Selvala, Hearth of the Wilds Eldrazi
The meta did push it out. More Storm, more Twin, less Jund. Zoo was pretty good against it too from what I hear, though I suspect it doesn't factor in much now since Zoo isn't that popular. In the more combo-oriented meta, the deck that doesn't interact with combos is obviously going to do worse, hence RG Tron is in a bad spot.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
Recently it has picked up. The meta is shifting since they're realizing Zoo isn't a deck. After the GP the stats for RG Tron were abysmal. If you look at the Proven section, it's the first time I can recall RG Tron not being there. It really says something about how it's positioned right now. People are simply choosing not to play it.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
It is primarily a Standard card. Jund, while still a tier 1.5 deck, is not getting enough results to make it worth investing in.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Even if they did remake it I don't see cards like this going any higher. I saw a lot of posts similar to this one that asked about cards such as counters and other small cards on the old thread. The thing with cards like this is they can easily be replaced by a slightly less viable but much cheaper card. When I'm looking at cards and trying to figure out if they'll go up go through the process of elimination. Basically if the card is a good card, can not be replaced by cheaper but very similar cards and is absolutely necessary to run decks it will reach above $50. Goyf Bob and sac lands are perfect examples of this. They are all absolutely necessary in multiple if not most decks and they haven't seen large amounts of reprints. A lot of times people will ask about cards such as counters or removal, there will basically always be a cheaper form of it for a slight downgrade.
Modern:
DredgeVine
EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima
Standard:
Pretty much this. I wasn't trolling the thread and I understand it's not in Modern right now. But given its playability and role as no doubt a "top counter" if it ever entered the Modern pool, what happens to its price? This was my original question. Would it be seen as a good pick up right now (financially)? Or will it sink due to reprinting?
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TLDR: I would not invest in them now due to high reprint potential and the fact that the price right now is almost entirely due to supply and not demand.
Note: I want to point out that I am talking about if you are investing for monetary gain. If you want to play with them then buy them and have a blast. Yea, they might crash in 5 months (or even be printed in M15 for that matter), but in the mean time all the fun you might have with them might outweigh the inflated price you paid.
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It's already seen a significant drop down to the $20 mark. I'd honestly expect this card to hit the $10 mark post rotation and maybe bounce back up to $15-20 again (it was a mythic in a small print run). It's good, but the hype on it drove up prices into the $50-60 range at one time. I would stay away from this card from an investment standpoint, but if you need them for a deck now, you might as well pick them up as it won't be rotating for a while.
I'm looking for it mainly to build G/W Hatebears, but I can wait until rotation. I'll probably just pick up the 1-2 dollar stuff first, since I figure those likely won't say low.
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It is just another City of Brass. It isn't going to do much in Modern.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I'd pick up the Aven Mindcensors, Scavenging Oozes, Tectonic Edges, and Leonin Arbiters first, as those are the Hatebears cards with the most potential to spike.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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