The fact that Mox Amber can't actually cast anything until the Legendary permanent is already on the battlefield makes it aggressively mediocre. It will be interesting to see if someone actually breaks it, but its reliance on things already being there is significantly more difficult than turning on Mox Opal. It's hype and speculation, and I'm guessing many people are going to regret buying them (just like the people who pre-ordered them for $30, only to see it fall to $7).
The fact that Mox Amber can't actually cast anything until the Legendary permanent is already on the battlefield makes it aggressively mediocre. It will be interesting to see if someone actually breaks it, but its reliance on things already being there is significantly more difficult than turning on Mox Opal. It's hype and speculation, and I'm guessing many people are going to regret buying them (just like the people who pre-ordered them for $30, only to see it fall to $7).
Yep. I tried it out in EDH. My EDH deck is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy which means that from the very start of the game I have access to a 2 CMC legendary creature. Despite that, I still haven't been able to make Mox Amber work. I've got a playset just incase, as I do think it will eventually be viable, but at the moment I'm just not seeing it.
I think one downfall of the Amber is it only produces the color of the legend / walker present, compared to Opal which produced any color when conditions are met. If Amber produced any color, it would have probably be at a higher price.
Anyone else remember when Glimmervoid was worth 30 dollars? Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
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Anyone else remember when Glimmervoid was worth 30 dollars? Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
Yep, I actually had to buy the only 2 copies I could find in the vicinity. I literally drove 50 mi. to find 2 MM ones at $21 each, even though they didn't match my Mirrodin copies.
I sold and bought Affinity several times and in between those times, I found that I needed another Glimmervoid for Whir Prison. Bought it for $7.50 (the lowest 1 month ago) on Ebay and now they can be had for $6.
Hardened Scales, the more popular version of Affinity, doesn't run it and it's only really run in Whir Prison and a few (now) rogue decks, like Lantern lol.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
For me the card that replaced it was Spire of Industry along with the Kaladesh legendary land that nets you life if you have 3+ artifacts. I never needed glimmer in testing for the mana fixing and the pain from the Spire was never an issue. I think they are probably worth picking up at the low price since it's really more of a shift of the meta type of downturn.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Anyone else remember when Glimmervoid was worth 30 dollars? Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
Glad I never managed to buy any of that card. When my Affinity was active... the only thing I lacked were Glimmervoid.
Was just about to buy some when Spire of Industry got spoiled. And that ended any plans of buying Glimmervoid.
The fact that Mox Amber can't actually cast anything until the Legendary permanent is already on the battlefield makes it aggressively mediocre. It will be interesting to see if someone actually breaks it, but its reliance on things already being there is significantly more difficult than turning on Mox Opal. It's hype and speculation, and I'm guessing many people are going to regret buying them (just like the people who pre-ordered them for $30, only to see it fall to $7).
If White Weenie or Red Sligh type decks ever wanted ramp it would be OK there. But they don't. Maybe Elves, to cut things down by a turn?
elves would never play mox amber outside of multiple 1-2 cmc legendary elves being printed that are somehow better than what is being played; and that is highly unlikely. it doesnt synergize with anything.
if i had any mox ambers id be selling into the current spike without a second thought
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The reason Mox Amber is so hard to work with in modern is that cards have to be good plus have synergy, or just be way over the top to work. Mox Opal worked because it had artifacts to work with and a means to capitalize on all of its qualities. Namely, it works really well with Ravager and other existing artifact support cards. Mox Amber I feel like you have to play bad cards to make it work, or go more towards a solid mid-range strategy that wants to hit a 5 drop.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The fact that Mox Amber can't actually cast anything until the Legendary permanent is already on the battlefield makes it aggressively mediocre. It will be interesting to see if someone actually breaks it, but its reliance on things already being there is significantly more difficult than turning on Mox Opal. It's hype and speculation, and I'm guessing many people are going to regret buying them (just like the people who pre-ordered them for $30, only to see it fall to $7).
If White Weenie or Red Sligh type decks ever wanted ramp it would be OK there. But they don't. Maybe Elves, to cut things down by a turn?
I agree with this. Actually working on a semi-casual legendaries sligh style deck for more than a week now.. to pass time while waiting for Modern Horizons. With many low cmc legends, it can use the amber... but ramp is really not needed in a sligh deck.
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On another thing. I need a little advice on this. Someone is offering to buy my 3 leyline of sanctity for 30$ each. I think that is already a good price... but is there a chance that the price of leylines might rise because of the new mulligan rule. Should I sell or keep?
On another thing. I need a little advice on this. Someone is offering to buy my 3 leyline of sanctity for 30$ each. I think that is already a good price... but is there a chance that the price of leylines might rise because of the new mulligan rule. Should I sell or keep?
there will probably be small gains on both leyline of sanctity and void. thing is though the prices for either are kinda 'saturated' or whatever you wanna call it, where they are expensive enough that their room to grow isnt that big. like for instance i doubt you will see sanctity doubling in price or anything.
so the question isnt whether leyline will go up in price at all, but rather if you plan to use that money for anything else; and if cards then could those cards grow even more than the leylines. like selling $30 cards that could go up $5 in a few months to get cards that go up $10 in the same time frame.
$30/per is a pretty good deal imo. that is like 7-10 over market value on TCGplayer or ebay and basically what big sellers like scg or cardkingdom are asking for NM/M copies. seems like a safe sell at that price point. id personally take that deal.
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I'm wondering how Horizons will affect prices of existing cards. It's hard to know until the spoilers, but even without reprinting existing cards, it can still affect their prices.
After all, some decks may find cards in it suit them slightly better than certain cards currently in the deck (even if they aren't strictly better, and other decks with that card would still use it), which could cause those cards to turn up for sale, some decks could be made more viable by new inclusions which could result in people buying other cards from those decks, some cards could see strictly better versions turn up and plummet in price, some decks could see enough new hate against them or decks that prey on them rising in the metagame or being created based on the new cards and become less popular with their pieces dropping in demand, and so on.
It's probably good that the shock-lands are currently in print, given the potential for Modern Horizons to increase the popularity of the format. Although of course, that could only make the pressure on the fetch-lands worse, so if that does happen, I hope they'd quickly reprint those in large numbers somehow outside of Standard.
I'm wondering how Horizons will affect prices of existing cards. It's hard to know until the spoilers, but even without reprinting existing cards, it can still affect their prices.
After all, some decks may find cards in it suit them slightly better than certain cards currently in the deck (even if they aren't strictly better, and other decks with that card would still use it), which could cause those cards to turn up for sale, some decks could be made more viable by new inclusions which could result in people buying other cards from those decks, some cards could see strictly better versions turn up and plummet in price, some decks could see enough new hate against them or decks that prey on them rising in the metagame or being created based on the new cards and become less popular with their pieces dropping in demand, and so on.
It's probably good that the shock-lands are currently in print, given the potential for Modern Horizons to increase the popularity of the format. Although of course, that could only make the pressure on the fetch-lands worse, so if that does happen, I hope they'd quickly reprint those in large numbers somehow outside of Standard.
My current operating assumption is that two things will happen.
1. Cards will be printed that will enable low-tier or currently non-existent decks and invalidate current decks. The cards from those invalidated decks which are used solely in those decks will drop in price. However, if this happens at all it will likely only happen to a very small number of decks, maybe not even more than 1 deck.
2. Cards will be printed that boost current strategies. The cards currently used by those strategies will rise in dollar value as their decks become more popular. This has a higher chance of happening to a larger number of decks.
And with either (or both) of those possibilities comes the inevitable meta-game shift which itself could create the same sort of price variations we currently see when the meta shifts.
So overall it is my opinion that buying current staples should be a net financial benefit, but be ready for some of those staples to fall in price. If you diversify the staples and their respective decks you should come out ahead.
There's also a possibility that if Horizons has the kind of impact that the first Modern Masters did, Modern will grow in popularity yet again, also raising the prices of most staples.
That's just what makes sense to me at the moment - certainly don't take it as gospel.
EDIT: And as you mention, there's also the possibility that they print "strictly better" cards. I wouldn't anticipate this happening very broadly. Maybe Counterspell pushes Mana Leak and Remand further out of the format, but those cards aren't widely played at the moment anyway. Similar to #1 above, I wouldn't anticipate this happening to a large portion of the current staples. Remember that it's designed as a draft set so there will be a lot of chaff that doesn't make its way into competitive Modern.
EDIT: And as you mention, there's also the possibility that they print "strictly better" cards. I wouldn't anticipate this happening very broadly. Maybe Counterspell pushes Mana Leak and Remand further out of the format, but those cards aren't widely played at the moment anyway. Similar to #1 above, I wouldn't anticipate this happening to a large portion of the current staples. Remember that it's designed as a draft set so there will be a lot of chaff that doesn't make its way into competitive Modern.
Yeah, I also doubt any actual staples will see something strictly better, but some things that decks might want to be able to do but currently don't because the things that do so have to high cmc or are to narrow but would be playable if they did something extra or had modal options was more what I was thinking of when it comes to strictly better. Of course, Mana Leak and Remand aren't actually strictly worse than counterspell, due to the more color restricted casting cost on counterspell even if modern's color fixing is good enough that such usually shouldn't matter, and in remand's case the card draw and some potential clever trickery or weirdness that remand's bouncing might allow. An example I can think of might be something like Abrade, except it exiles the artifacts in question or the creatures if they die that turn.
challenger decks were spoiled (finally). modern relevant inclusions:
1x Arclight Phoenix + 3 Sulfur Falls in Izzet Drakes deck, and 2 Woodland Cemetary + 1 Overgrown Tomb in the Golgari Explore deck. So expect those cards to drop in the weeks following the release.
No Teferi reprint is interesting. At least he is falling out of favor in Standard somewhat and UW is still pretty bad in Modern... I sold my copies with the prediction of a reprint, but honestly, I can't even bring myself to play him anyway, so I guess that's not a total loss.
Arclight Phoenix only having one copy is better than 0 copies. Assuming it survives a ban, it should help keep costs under control.
Interestingly, there seems to be no mention of these coming to MTGO, where Phoenix is already past $55/ea.
i figured there was a chance teferi wouldnt make the cut. at the time the decks were likely designed he was being played in jeskai control (and to a smaller degree in bant turbo fog). teferi costed like 15-20 more back then, and i dont see how they coulda made a remotely cohesive 3-color control deck without it being significantly more valuable than the others.
the surprising exclusion is Search for Azcanta. even without some UWx control deck it seemed like a natural fit into a UR drakes deck as a 1 or 2-of either in the main or side. the inclusion of Arguel's Blood Fast in the golgari deck removes the possibility of azcanta being passed over because it was double-faced (which wizards admits is a limiting factor in where they can reprint stuff).
as for arclight phoenix, it will definitely dip in paper a good bit because as it stands the izzet deck is way over the retail value. as for on mtgo, im not sure supplementary products are normally included (were the previous challenger decks?). however its price point on mtgo is certainly going to plummet at some point. even disregarding the possibility of bans, horizons will naturally pull attention away as people look to brew or update other decks.
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Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Obviously performance is a big differentiator here but chandra, torch of defiance was getting some modern traction during the last challenger spoiler and still held onto a good chunk of her price after seeing print.
The izzet deck is a very obvious no brainer for me to pick up personally, but with the recent success of the deck I can't see Phoenix letting go of much of its price. I can see the rest of that deck absolutely cratering (I.e. crackling drake and sulfur falls).
I'm glad I held off on Phoenix though. Hoping I can snag a few for $15ish. That's probably where I'll pull the trigger. The recent results have just been too good lately not to but in that cheap.
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Yep. I tried it out in EDH. My EDH deck is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy which means that from the very start of the game I have access to a 2 CMC legendary creature. Despite that, I still haven't been able to make Mox Amber work. I've got a playset just incase, as I do think it will eventually be viable, but at the moment I'm just not seeing it.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yep, I actually had to buy the only 2 copies I could find in the vicinity. I literally drove 50 mi. to find 2 MM ones at $21 each, even though they didn't match my Mirrodin copies.
I sold and bought Affinity several times and in between those times, I found that I needed another Glimmervoid for Whir Prison. Bought it for $7.50 (the lowest 1 month ago) on Ebay and now they can be had for $6.
Hardened Scales, the more popular version of Affinity, doesn't run it and it's only really run in Whir Prison and a few (now) rogue decks, like Lantern lol.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Glad I never managed to buy any of that card. When my Affinity was active... the only thing I lacked were Glimmervoid.
Was just about to buy some when Spire of Industry got spoiled. And that ended any plans of buying Glimmervoid.
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I noticed Glimmervoid's price plummeting. Why are these cards dropping so hard?
Glimmervoid took a punch in gut from Spire of Industry's printing and Aether Hub is a strictly better Tendo Ice Bridge
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Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
if i had any mox ambers id be selling into the current spike without a second thought
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I agree with this. Actually working on a semi-casual legendaries sligh style deck for more than a week now.. to pass time while waiting for Modern Horizons. With many low cmc legends, it can use the amber... but ramp is really not needed in a sligh deck.
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On another thing. I need a little advice on this. Someone is offering to buy my 3 leyline of sanctity for 30$ each. I think that is already a good price... but is there a chance that the price of leylines might rise because of the new mulligan rule. Should I sell or keep?
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there will probably be small gains on both leyline of sanctity and void. thing is though the prices for either are kinda 'saturated' or whatever you wanna call it, where they are expensive enough that their room to grow isnt that big. like for instance i doubt you will see sanctity doubling in price or anything.
so the question isnt whether leyline will go up in price at all, but rather if you plan to use that money for anything else; and if cards then could those cards grow even more than the leylines. like selling $30 cards that could go up $5 in a few months to get cards that go up $10 in the same time frame.
$30/per is a pretty good deal imo. that is like 7-10 over market value on TCGplayer or ebay and basically what big sellers like scg or cardkingdom are asking for NM/M copies. seems like a safe sell at that price point. id personally take that deal.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)As for the money, I was just going to buy two Sacred Foundry that is needed by one of my decks.. then put the leftover money to the bank.
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After all, some decks may find cards in it suit them slightly better than certain cards currently in the deck (even if they aren't strictly better, and other decks with that card would still use it), which could cause those cards to turn up for sale, some decks could be made more viable by new inclusions which could result in people buying other cards from those decks, some cards could see strictly better versions turn up and plummet in price, some decks could see enough new hate against them or decks that prey on them rising in the metagame or being created based on the new cards and become less popular with their pieces dropping in demand, and so on.
It's probably good that the shock-lands are currently in print, given the potential for Modern Horizons to increase the popularity of the format. Although of course, that could only make the pressure on the fetch-lands worse, so if that does happen, I hope they'd quickly reprint those in large numbers somehow outside of Standard.
1. Cards will be printed that will enable low-tier or currently non-existent decks and invalidate current decks. The cards from those invalidated decks which are used solely in those decks will drop in price. However, if this happens at all it will likely only happen to a very small number of decks, maybe not even more than 1 deck.
2. Cards will be printed that boost current strategies. The cards currently used by those strategies will rise in dollar value as their decks become more popular. This has a higher chance of happening to a larger number of decks.
And with either (or both) of those possibilities comes the inevitable meta-game shift which itself could create the same sort of price variations we currently see when the meta shifts.
So overall it is my opinion that buying current staples should be a net financial benefit, but be ready for some of those staples to fall in price. If you diversify the staples and their respective decks you should come out ahead.
There's also a possibility that if Horizons has the kind of impact that the first Modern Masters did, Modern will grow in popularity yet again, also raising the prices of most staples.
That's just what makes sense to me at the moment - certainly don't take it as gospel.
EDIT: And as you mention, there's also the possibility that they print "strictly better" cards. I wouldn't anticipate this happening very broadly. Maybe Counterspell pushes Mana Leak and Remand further out of the format, but those cards aren't widely played at the moment anyway. Similar to #1 above, I wouldn't anticipate this happening to a large portion of the current staples. Remember that it's designed as a draft set so there will be a lot of chaff that doesn't make its way into competitive Modern.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Yeah, I also doubt any actual staples will see something strictly better, but some things that decks might want to be able to do but currently don't because the things that do so have to high cmc or are to narrow but would be playable if they did something extra or had modal options was more what I was thinking of when it comes to strictly better. Of course, Mana Leak and Remand aren't actually strictly worse than counterspell, due to the more color restricted casting cost on counterspell even if modern's color fixing is good enough that such usually shouldn't matter, and in remand's case the card draw and some potential clever trickery or weirdness that remand's bouncing might allow. An example I can think of might be something like Abrade, except it exiles the artifacts in question or the creatures if they die that turn.
1x Arclight Phoenix + 3 Sulfur Falls in Izzet Drakes deck, and 2 Woodland Cemetary + 1 Overgrown Tomb in the Golgari Explore deck. So expect those cards to drop in the weeks following the release.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Arclight Phoenix only having one copy is better than 0 copies. Assuming it survives a ban, it should help keep costs under control.
Interestingly, there seems to be no mention of these coming to MTGO, where Phoenix is already past $55/ea.
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the surprising exclusion is Search for Azcanta. even without some UWx control deck it seemed like a natural fit into a UR drakes deck as a 1 or 2-of either in the main or side. the inclusion of Arguel's Blood Fast in the golgari deck removes the possibility of azcanta being passed over because it was double-faced (which wizards admits is a limiting factor in where they can reprint stuff).
as for arclight phoenix, it will definitely dip in paper a good bit because as it stands the izzet deck is way over the retail value. as for on mtgo, im not sure supplementary products are normally included (were the previous challenger decks?). however its price point on mtgo is certainly going to plummet at some point. even disregarding the possibility of bans, horizons will naturally pull attention away as people look to brew or update other decks.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)The izzet deck is a very obvious no brainer for me to pick up personally, but with the recent success of the deck I can't see Phoenix letting go of much of its price. I can see the rest of that deck absolutely cratering (I.e. crackling drake and sulfur falls).
I'm glad I held off on Phoenix though. Hoping I can snag a few for $15ish. That's probably where I'll pull the trigger. The recent results have just been too good lately not to but in that cheap.
Checked on those today, absolutely out of control price's.
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