OMG in Greece the first 3 are 60 euros and explosives are like 35 euros
Remind me to order cards from Greece, provided the shipping doesn't cost the $30/card I'd be saving lol
Well 60 euros is about 75 dollars american plus you have to pay an exchange fee so about $80.
Plus shipping and possible custom fees its about same price unforunately
If however you happen to travel for a summer vacation be sure to bring extra money for mtg singles. There is a handful of times I have seen tourists buy a ton of singles in the LGS I go
I never thought about that. Might have to see about heading to Europe on vacation at some point.
When is feasibly the next time Blackcleave Cliffs could be reprinted? Because I need/want 4, and trying to decide if I wait or bite the bullet. They're about 50 as of right now.
Since the Allied Fastlands' names are not plane-agnostic, they can only be reprinted in a "Return to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia" set, a Core set or a supplemental/Masters set. The next possible set would be the 2019 Core set (the one released this summer).
I believe the Mirrodin Fastlands are the main reason that WotC returned to core sets and that they were planed for Core 2019... but that was before Cliffs jumped to $50. They may decide that they are now "too costly for Standard" and not reprint them until a Masters set.
When is feasibly the next time Blackcleave Cliffs could be reprinted? Because I need/want 4, and trying to decide if I wait or bite the bullet. They're about 50 as of right now.
Since the Allied Fastlands' names are not plane-agnostic, they can only be reprinted in a "Return to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia" set, a Core set or a supplemental/Masters set. The next possible set would be the 2019 Core set (the one released this summer).
I believe the Mirrodin Fastlands are the main reason that WotC returned to core sets and that they were planed for Core 2019... but that was before Cliffs jumped to $50. They may decide that they are now "too costly for Standard" and not reprint them until a Masters set.
I want to disagree, but given what someone else stated on the forum about their "core audience" and A25, I can probably see them doing it. To rewind a bit, someone else in general had posted that they believe WoTC is catering specifically to drafters and singles sellers. Looking at the last couple of years, the kinds of questions on the surveys sent out, and the resulting contents of various sets, this is probably all but certain. Basically, WoTC figures the average draft and limited player wants at least their money's worth out of a sealed product, but doesn't care about pulling high value cards necessarily. Mean while, single sellers will just open boxes until oblivion if the EV is too high and they cram them full of high value cards, so they did this thing where they keep carefully measuring the value of sets.
That's actually one of the reasons Masters 25 failed so hard: They were trying to make a product that caters to a group of people they have absolutely terrible data on. These guys probably know drafters and limited player tastes down to a T, but have got nothing but anecdotal data on people like those of us in this modern forum. Who here would have voted Akroma for a masters set, for example? I'm pretty sure we'd all have voted for stuff like LoTV, Snaps, Karn, Maelstrom Pulse, cryptic command, Goyf (Why is he not the mascot for masters sets?!), etc. Heck, there's a metric ton of legacy stuff people probably wanted to see more than what they put in the set, but again, we're not a well documented data point.
Case in point, it's the reason I've backed out of MtG in the short term as far as buying things. I have NO idea what this company is going to do post A25. They basically just got slapped in the face hard with iconic and masters 25, and while Iconic they can brush off as a marketing issue, A25 was not marketing, they legit had a big backlash on social media and other places.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
When is feasibly the next time Blackcleave Cliffs could be reprinted? Because I need/want 4, and trying to decide if I wait or bite the bullet. They're about 50 as of right now.
Since the Allied Fastlands' names are not plane-agnostic, they can only be reprinted in a "Return to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia" set, a Core set or a supplemental/Masters set. The next possible set would be the 2019 Core set (the one released this summer).
I believe the Mirrodin Fastlands are the main reason that WotC returned to core sets and that they were planed for Core 2019... but that was before Cliffs jumped to $50. They may decide that they are now "too costly for Standard" and not reprint them until a Masters set.
Cliffs spiked within the last three months. Core 2019 is the summer set, I think it would have been finalized by end of January.
Recent Play Design article says they want all two-color pairs to have two sets of good duals. The allied pairs already have the Amonkhet bicycle lands and the Ixalan buddy lands. The next set of allied duals would probably come after this fall's Standard rotation.
I wouldn't get too hung up on these allied fastlands. They are clearly safe for Standard use, I would expect a reprint within the next year.
When is feasibly the next time Blackcleave Cliffs could be reprinted? Because I need/want 4, and trying to decide if I wait or bite the bullet. They're about 50 as of right now.
Since the Allied Fastlands' names are not plane-agnostic, they can only be reprinted in a "Return to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia" set, a Core set or a supplemental/Masters set. The next possible set would be the 2019 Core set (the one released this summer).
I believe the Mirrodin Fastlands are the main reason that WotC returned to core sets and that they were planed for Core 2019... but that was before Cliffs jumped to $50. They may decide that they are now "too costly for Standard" and not reprint them until a Masters set.
Cliffs spiked within the last three months. Core 2019 is the summer set, I think it would have been finalized by end of January.
Recent Play Design article says they want all two-color pairs to have two sets of good duals. The allied pairs already have the Amonkhet bicycle lands and the Ixalan buddy lands. The next set of allied duals would probably come after this fall's Standard rotation.
I wouldn't get too hung up on these allied fastlands. They are clearly safe for Standard use, I would expect a reprint within the next year.
I agree with the assessment that WotC wants two sets of lands per color pair: one fast (can produce colored mana on turn 1), and one slow (cannot). It has been like that since I came back with Khans of Tarkir. Since we do have that at the moment, it is possible we won't get rare dual lands in Core 2019.
If we do, I think the Allied Fastlands would be the best cycle to reprint in that set. But I think WotC will be scared by the $50 price tag of the Blackcleave Cliffs. Until printing has started, and even if design if finalized, switching one set of rare dual lands for another seems to me like the easiest thing to change.
Personally, I believe we won't get rare dual lands in M19, and instead we will see a return of Allied Shocklands in the Fall set, and Enemy Shocklands in the Winter or Spring set. They work well with the Checklands and would be a welcomed (if a bit premature) reprint.
Now that the dust have settled and Jace, the Mind Sculptor performance turned out to be pretty mediocre, what's holding its price that high? Given that it doesn't appear very often on top performing decks and isn't really a 4-of (Cryptic command gets priority over it), it would look like something like $40 would be a fair price for the card (at least it would be for any other mythic card with that showing and performace).
Now that the dust have settled and Jace, the Mind Sculptor performance turned out to be pretty mediocre, what's holding its price that high? Given that it doesn't appear very often on top performing decks and isn't really a 4-of (Cryptic command gets priority over it), it would look like something like $40 would be a fair price for the card (at least it would be for any other mythic card with that showing and performace).
It was already a $50-$60 card *before* being unbanned. There is no way it gets anywhere close to that in the near future as Masters 25 does not increase the supply enough and Modern is still driving demand for it. If Ancestral Vision went from $6 to $50 after being unbanned and stayed there without seeing basically any play in Modern, there is no way Jace, who does see some play, is going to go below his pre-ban price.
Also, EDH and Legacy are major factors in why he was as high as he was to begin with.
Now that the dust have settled and Jace, the Mind Sculptor performance turned out to be pretty mediocre, what's holding its price that high? Given that it doesn't appear very often on top performing decks and isn't really a 4-of (Cryptic command gets priority over it), it would look like something like $40 would be a fair price for the card (at least it would be for any other mythic card with that showing and performace).
Price memory. Anyones who bought up JTMS for $140 post-unban would rather hang onto their copies instead of dumping them for ~ $100, let alone $40.
How did blackcleave cliffs hit $50? After bloodbraid elf unbanning, i figured I'd make the deck.. i have all the "power cards" except.. 4 lands.. So, I hit up eBay, thinking.. ,i'll drop $20 and complete the deck... and it's looking more like $200 for 4 lands..
Guess i'm mnot getting back into modern after all, sigh.
BBE plus the rise of Mardu and Hollow One at the PT and subsequent meta shot them to the moon, tbh it's always (and the others) been a sleeper, very strong lands to have in a (relatively) fast format like modern without true duals.
How did blackcleave cliffs hit $50? After bloodbraid elf unbanning, i figured I'd make the deck.. i have all the "power cards" except.. 4 lands.. So, I hit up eBay, thinking.. ,i'll drop $20 and complete the deck... and it's looking more like $200 for 4 lands..
Guess i'm mnot getting back into modern after all, sigh.
This is what everyone else was thinking too, except they bought cards right away after the announcement.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Just because you can't afford Blackcleave cliff's does not mean you cannot use another land. Smoldering Marsh, maybe? Lavaclaw Reaches has a great manland ability. Blood Crypt is fetchable.
These will get you by until BC is reprinted.
Or just run basics. They can't be Quartered or Ruined.
Now that the dust have settled and Jace, the Mind Sculptor performance turned out to be pretty mediocre, what's holding its price that high? Given that it doesn't appear very often on top performing decks and isn't really a 4-of (Cryptic command gets priority over it), it would look like something like $40 would be a fair price for the card (at least it would be for any other mythic card with that showing and performace).
Potential.
Remember that it sees strong Legacy play and this shows that it could play a role in Modern, even if Blue is nowhere as strong in Modern as in Legacy. Imagine if Counterspell or something close to the power level of Force of Will was printed in Modern: suddenly, Blue control decks might become dominant, and that means Jace becomes the "finisher" of choice.
And never forget that Modern is the format of a thousand decks: any one deck, any one player can have its day in the sun. Skred wins a GP one day, Koth triples in price. Humans, Mardu Pyromancer, Hollow One are all recent additions to the format, and have all had associated price spikes. We have had a Jeskai vs Jeskai final at a GP no longer than 3 months ago. It's only a matter of time before a Blue-based control deck wins a GP, or a SCG Open, and players are keeping their copies of Jace in anticipation of that day.
Just because you can't afford Blackcleave cliff's does not mean you cannot use another land. Smoldering Marsh, maybe? Lavaclaw Reaches has a great manland ability. Blood Crypt is fetchable.
These will get you by until BC is reprinted.
Or just run basics. They can't be Quartered or Ruined.
I find so many of the decks that have driven the Blackleave spikes are these all-in aggro decks like Hollow One that have already established a win or a loss by the end of turn 3 ... but the priority is that the lands always enter untapped. When that’s the case, why not go Gemstone Mine?
I find so many of the decks that have driven the Blackleave spikes are these all-in aggro decks like Hollow One that have already established a win or a loss by the end of turn 3 ... but the priority is that the lands always enter untapped. When that’s the case, why not go Gemstone Mine?
As someone who has played Hollow One for awhile now I can tell you that lands with a limited number of uses are not a good idea. You frequently use all of your mana every turn making plays such as Faithless Looting -> Gurmag Angler -> bring back Flamewake Phoenix. Plus, late game you want to be able to flashback looting, sometimes with a follow up Hollow One or Gurmag Angler. While the deck can win T3-4 there are also plenty of times where games grind out, and for those you dont want your manabase imploding.
That said, I do think you can play the deck competitively without Blackcleave Cliffs. Cliffs are of course still the optimal choice, but I think you could sub Sulfurous Springs and do reasonably well. The manabase I would go with (assuming you have the rest of the deck besides Cliffs) is:
I'd expect all the tournament staples to hold or go up in price. As the mtg population shrinks, the more financial burden the competitive cards have to shoulder since the most dedicated players gravitate to whatever is best in class.
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Shrink? Are you sure? Friend of me told the same, but i dont believed him. How you knew this?
Don't feel like internet searching on a phone while at work. It originated from sales figures.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
Where exactly are you getting your numbers from? The only deck I can find over $2000 is Jund, and Jund's always been ridiculously expensive. UR Breach is an outlier at $1700, and Storm is an outlier in the opposite direction at $350, with the rest of the format spread pretty evenly between $1400 and $700.
I'd expect all the tournament staples to hold or go up in price. As the mtg population shrinks, the more financial burden the competitive cards have to shoulder since the most dedicated players gravitate to whatever is best in class.
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
Shrink? Wouldn't that lower prices? Not drive them up as players dump their cards onto the market?
I'd expect all the tournament staples to hold or go up in price. As the mtg population shrinks, the more financial burden the competitive cards have to shoulder since the most dedicated players gravitate to whatever is best in class.
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
Shrink? Wouldn't that lower prices? Not drive them up as players dump their cards onto the market?
Yes, it would. More demand = increase in prices, not less.
This is like 'prices are increasing, sell now' a few pages back...
The thing to realize is that modern prices are actually depressed somewhat by the lack of a consistent tier 1 deck. The past two years have had significant ebb and flow, but so many decks are able to compete and win that it spreads out demand. To put it simply, decks like elves, burn and storm are substitutes to jund, tron and humans. If the playerbase shrinks, but the people who remain are the most competitive (with the deepest pockets), then you'll see the diversity shrink in a statistically significant way. Fewer people will just want to play modern with their pet deck, and so demand will zoom over to goyf, snapcaster etc.
That being said, though, that is pure theory. Even top pros have their pet decks, and until that shift happens there's no way to know for certain that it will work out in that exact fashion. It's just a reason to speculate on certain cards gaining value. Or WOTC could just print a goddamn box set that guarantees certain cards and tell the secondary market to shove it. I'm cool with either.
I'd expect all the tournament staples to hold or go up in price. As the mtg population shrinks, the more financial burden the competitive cards have to shoulder since the most dedicated players gravitate to whatever is best in class.
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
Shrink? Wouldn't that lower prices? Not drive them up as players dump their cards onto the market?
Yes, it would. More demand = increase in prices, not less.
This is like 'prices are increasing, sell now' a few pages back...
Right but what I'm asking is...
As players leave Magic, some will offload their cards and liquidate their collection. That means more liquid cards on the market, thus prices drop.
AND
Fewer players means less pressure/demand on those cards in the market.
So why would experienced players pull prices higher? They're already demanding those cards from before so why would they change their demand if there are fewer players?
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Well 60 euros is about 75 dollars american plus you have to pay an exchange fee so about $80.
I never thought about that. Might have to see about heading to Europe on vacation at some point.
Since the Allied Fastlands' names are not plane-agnostic, they can only be reprinted in a "Return to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia" set, a Core set or a supplemental/Masters set. The next possible set would be the 2019 Core set (the one released this summer).
I believe the Mirrodin Fastlands are the main reason that WotC returned to core sets and that they were planed for Core 2019... but that was before Cliffs jumped to $50. They may decide that they are now "too costly for Standard" and not reprint them until a Masters set.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
I want to disagree, but given what someone else stated on the forum about their "core audience" and A25, I can probably see them doing it. To rewind a bit, someone else in general had posted that they believe WoTC is catering specifically to drafters and singles sellers. Looking at the last couple of years, the kinds of questions on the surveys sent out, and the resulting contents of various sets, this is probably all but certain. Basically, WoTC figures the average draft and limited player wants at least their money's worth out of a sealed product, but doesn't care about pulling high value cards necessarily. Mean while, single sellers will just open boxes until oblivion if the EV is too high and they cram them full of high value cards, so they did this thing where they keep carefully measuring the value of sets.
That's actually one of the reasons Masters 25 failed so hard: They were trying to make a product that caters to a group of people they have absolutely terrible data on. These guys probably know drafters and limited player tastes down to a T, but have got nothing but anecdotal data on people like those of us in this modern forum. Who here would have voted Akroma for a masters set, for example? I'm pretty sure we'd all have voted for stuff like LoTV, Snaps, Karn, Maelstrom Pulse, cryptic command, Goyf (Why is he not the mascot for masters sets?!), etc. Heck, there's a metric ton of legacy stuff people probably wanted to see more than what they put in the set, but again, we're not a well documented data point.
Case in point, it's the reason I've backed out of MtG in the short term as far as buying things. I have NO idea what this company is going to do post A25. They basically just got slapped in the face hard with iconic and masters 25, and while Iconic they can brush off as a marketing issue, A25 was not marketing, they legit had a big backlash on social media and other places.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Cliffs spiked within the last three months. Core 2019 is the summer set, I think it would have been finalized by end of January.
Recent Play Design article says they want all two-color pairs to have two sets of good duals. The allied pairs already have the Amonkhet bicycle lands and the Ixalan buddy lands. The next set of allied duals would probably come after this fall's Standard rotation.
I wouldn't get too hung up on these allied fastlands. They are clearly safe for Standard use, I would expect a reprint within the next year.
I agree with the assessment that WotC wants two sets of lands per color pair: one fast (can produce colored mana on turn 1), and one slow (cannot). It has been like that since I came back with Khans of Tarkir. Since we do have that at the moment, it is possible we won't get rare dual lands in Core 2019.
If we do, I think the Allied Fastlands would be the best cycle to reprint in that set. But I think WotC will be scared by the $50 price tag of the Blackcleave Cliffs. Until printing has started, and even if design if finalized, switching one set of rare dual lands for another seems to me like the easiest thing to change.
Personally, I believe we won't get rare dual lands in M19, and instead we will see a return of Allied Shocklands in the Fall set, and Enemy Shocklands in the Winter or Spring set. They work well with the Checklands and would be a welcomed (if a bit premature) reprint.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
Also, EDH and Legacy are major factors in why he was as high as he was to begin with.
Price memory. Anyones who bought up JTMS for $140 post-unban would rather hang onto their copies instead of dumping them for ~ $100, let alone $40.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Guess i'm mnot getting back into modern after all, sigh.
This is what everyone else was thinking too, except they bought cards right away after the announcement.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)These will get you by until BC is reprinted.
Or just run basics. They can't be Quartered or Ruined.
Potential.
Remember that it sees strong Legacy play and this shows that it could play a role in Modern, even if Blue is nowhere as strong in Modern as in Legacy. Imagine if Counterspell or something close to the power level of Force of Will was printed in Modern: suddenly, Blue control decks might become dominant, and that means Jace becomes the "finisher" of choice.
And never forget that Modern is the format of a thousand decks: any one deck, any one player can have its day in the sun. Skred wins a GP one day, Koth triples in price. Humans, Mardu Pyromancer, Hollow One are all recent additions to the format, and have all had associated price spikes. We have had a Jeskai vs Jeskai final at a GP no longer than 3 months ago. It's only a matter of time before a Blue-based control deck wins a GP, or a SCG Open, and players are keeping their copies of Jace in anticipation of that day.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
I find so many of the decks that have driven the Blackleave spikes are these all-in aggro decks like Hollow One that have already established a win or a loss by the end of turn 3 ... but the priority is that the lands always enter untapped. When that’s the case, why not go Gemstone Mine?
As someone who has played Hollow One for awhile now I can tell you that lands with a limited number of uses are not a good idea. You frequently use all of your mana every turn making plays such as Faithless Looting -> Gurmag Angler -> bring back Flamewake Phoenix. Plus, late game you want to be able to flashback looting, sometimes with a follow up Hollow One or Gurmag Angler. While the deck can win T3-4 there are also plenty of times where games grind out, and for those you dont want your manabase imploding.
That said, I do think you can play the deck competitively without Blackcleave Cliffs. Cliffs are of course still the optimal choice, but I think you could sub Sulfurous Springs and do reasonably well. The manabase I would go with (assuming you have the rest of the deck besides Cliffs) is:
x4 Bloodstained Mire
x4 R/x fetch
x2 Blood Crypt
x1 Stomping Ground
x3 Sulfurous Springs
x3 Mountain
x1 Swamp
I personally prefer the third mountain to the third Blood Crypt, but Ive seen lists go either way
We are seeing multiple decks go over the 2000 dollar mark now or approaching that point.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Don't feel like internet searching on a phone while at work. It originated from sales figures.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Where exactly are you getting your numbers from? The only deck I can find over $2000 is Jund, and Jund's always been ridiculously expensive. UR Breach is an outlier at $1700, and Storm is an outlier in the opposite direction at $350, with the rest of the format spread pretty evenly between $1400 and $700.
Shrink? Wouldn't that lower prices? Not drive them up as players dump their cards onto the market?
Yes, it would. More demand = increase in prices, not less.
This is like 'prices are increasing, sell now' a few pages back...
Spirits
The thing to realize is that modern prices are actually depressed somewhat by the lack of a consistent tier 1 deck. The past two years have had significant ebb and flow, but so many decks are able to compete and win that it spreads out demand. To put it simply, decks like elves, burn and storm are substitutes to jund, tron and humans. If the playerbase shrinks, but the people who remain are the most competitive (with the deepest pockets), then you'll see the diversity shrink in a statistically significant way. Fewer people will just want to play modern with their pet deck, and so demand will zoom over to goyf, snapcaster etc.
That being said, though, that is pure theory. Even top pros have their pet decks, and until that shift happens there's no way to know for certain that it will work out in that exact fashion. It's just a reason to speculate on certain cards gaining value. Or WOTC could just print a goddamn box set that guarantees certain cards and tell the secondary market to shove it. I'm cool with either.
Right but what I'm asking is...
As players leave Magic, some will offload their cards and liquidate their collection. That means more liquid cards on the market, thus prices drop.
AND
Fewer players means less pressure/demand on those cards in the market.
So why would experienced players pull prices higher? They're already demanding those cards from before so why would they change their demand if there are fewer players?