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My money is on the ‘new way to play’ being limited (draft and sealed) commander. The hurdle to that before was an inability to guarantee a legendary or a selection of legendaries in a limited cardpool. Dominaria guarantees a legendary creature in every pack, so now they can finally guarantee a limited environment where every player always has commander options.

They could have guaranteed it before. Transform cards took up a specific spot in a pack so they could have just as easily done that.

Well, yes, they could have, if they were willing to have a set with that many legendaries in it. Which, until DOM, they haven’t.

It doesn’t seem like they’re doing the Transform-style dedicated slot approach this time (the rarity numbers don’t accommodate that). It loooks like they’re guaranteeing a legendary in every pack by ensuring every third card on the uncommon track is legendary.

would the rules change impact anything with commander and how it is played? ive never played before so i have no clue how the commander zone or other stuff works.

its possible the rules change was something they have wanted to do for a while, and just arbitrarily chose to do it with this set

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With the new support for wizards tribal in Dominaria does a card like Voidmage Prodigy become more valuable ?

Imo, yes. Mostly due to that and the 2017 Wizards Commander deck making the tribe somewhat more relevant in EDH. I have stacks of promo/foil Voidmages and Patron Wizards that I hoped would take off in response to the Commander deck getting printed, but that one and the cat tribal deck ended up being pretty lackluster. However, if there were ever to be something to re-ignite interest in the tribe, it looks like these Dominaria Wizards would be it. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

How much do you guys think that Gemstone Caverns will settle at? I wanted to spec on this card years ago, buying a playset for $6 and 3 foils for $6 each. Then the card spiked to $5 with foils at over $20, which kept me from buying literally HUNDREDS of this underestimated card. Now it seems that someone else bought it out at the already higher price...

Probably $15 and $40, right? At least until a reprint.

i guess it would depend on how good you think this new colorless eldrazi deck is

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How much do you guys think that Gemstone Caverns will settle at? I wanted to spec on this card years ago, buying a playset for $6 and 3 foils for $6 each. Then the card spiked to $5 with foils at over $20, which kept me from buying literally HUNDREDS of this underestimated card. Now it seems that someone else bought it out at the already higher price...

Probably $15 and $40, right? At least until a reprint.

Agreed on Tronix' statement. However, it's such a unique effect that I think the top end is closer to $20 or $25 for the non foil.

Of course if the Eldrazi deck goes nuts and wins a GP or something then all bets are off.

The other thing that will inflate its price is that it was in Time Spiral.

Confidant is drying up everywhere. We looking at the next $100 modern staple?

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Confidant is drying up everywhere. We looking at the next $100 modern staple?

It already is ($95-110 depending on the version). The last printing dates back to MM2, which was in 2015. The decision of WotC to move away from MM and EM sets is emboldening speculators to buy staples. The bright days of affordable Modern in 2017 seem to be over, we are quickly moving back to the point where Tier one Modern decks are once again $1500-2500 (BGx was less than $1500 and Jeskai was less than $1000 last year, they are now $2200 and $1300-1400 according to MTGgoldfish).

Frankly, at this point, I think we'll need a Modern Masters in 2018 simply to keep the prices stable: the Mythic staples in MM3 are heading back to where they were before their reprint, and the Fetchlands are ticking up as well (I think they'll reach their pre-reprint price by the end of 2018).

jace is probably inflating the price of some of these blue decks a little.

otherwise yeah. things arent looking that great. the best we can hope for in the interlude of waiting for reprints is that the format remains diverse so price increases are more evenly distributed.

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Confidant is drying up everywhere. We looking at the next $100 modern staple?

It already is ($95-110 depending on the version). The last printing dates back to MM2, which was in 2015. The decision of WotC to move away from MM and EM sets is emboldening speculators to buy staples. The bright days of affordable Modern in 2017 seem to be over, we are quickly moving back to the point where Tier one Modern decks are once again $1500-2500 (BGx was less than $1500 and Jeskai was less than $1000 last year, they are now $2200 and $1300-1400 according to MTGgoldfish).

Frankly, at this point, I think we'll need a Modern Masters in 2018 simply to keep the prices stable: the Mythic staples in MM3 are heading back to where they were before their reprint, and the Fetchlands are ticking up as well (I think they'll reach their pre-reprint price by the end of 2018).

WotC never said they're moving away from Masters sets. There's no good reason why they would even want to; they allow WotC to charge 2x-3x the amount of a standard booster box for 2/3 the amount of cardboard and without the added R&D costs that go into developing new cards. In their statement regarding the future of Masters sets, they simply said upcoming iterations would be geared towards a combination of eternal/ Modern reprints & drafting, which is essentially what they've done with IMA & M25. Yes, the sole focus won't be exclusively Modern reprints, but it's all but guaranteed that future sets feature reprints of needed Modern staples. Modern is arguably the game's healthiest & most popular competitive format; they're certainly going to cash in on that player base. If you think about MM15, how many cards from that set were legitimate Modern staples that needed reprints? There were obviously a fair amount of hits, but they were all predominately at the rare/mythic slot and everything else was utter garbage. Bob is a $100 card now, but his value was completely stagnant for nearly 3 years since his MM15 printing up until BBE's unban.

So long as WotC doesn't completely whiff on which Modern reprints they include in future Masters products, this business model could potentially keep prices in check more so than Modern-focused sets alone that come out every two years. We'll have to see how they ultimately go about releasing future iterations, but if they were to do a general Masters set every year then that gives them the opportunity to react quicker to price spikes and inject reprints into circulation more regularly.

I think the only hope is that Storm continues to perform, and decks like Burn perform.

There will be issues if the Zen fetches are not reprinted, and if Jund continues its online rise.

I do think the next Masters set is bound to be value packed unless they crater the format.

A world where BGx and URx are successful, is an expensive one.

Well I think the opportunity to get damping spheres for 5 bucks on pre-order has passed. CFB is completely out now and other places are definitely charging probably 10 a card at minimum. This might be the most expensive rare out the gate in the set.

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Well I think the opportunity to get damping spheres for 5 bucks on pre-order has passed. CFB is completely out now and other places are definitely charging probably 10 a card at minimum. This might be the most expensive rare out the gate in the set.

I imagine Karn will end up being more.

But yeah, Sphere won't be cheap since it's not a one format card. Every Legacy and Vintage player is going to want a set as well. Demand is going to be high until all the Eternal players snap up what they want.

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Well I think the opportunity to get damping spheres for 5 bucks on pre-order has passed. CFB is completely out now and other places are definitely charging probably 10 a card at minimum. This might be the most expensive rare out the gate in the set.

I imagine Karn will end up being more.

But yeah, Sphere won't be cheap since it's not a one format card. Every Legacy and Vintage player is going to want a set as well. Demand is going to be high until all the Eternal players snap up what they want.

Karn may well end up being more (although maybe not, it sucks) but it's a mythic, of the rares, Sphere may be the most

We don’t actually know rarities yet, right? This is just educated-guesswork?

Price question. Have three M11 Leyline of Sanctity in good condition. Someone wants to buy all three for 90 dollars. Sell now?

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Price question. Have three M11 Leyline of Sanctity in good condition. Someone wants to buy all three for 90 dollars. Sell now?

If you don't plan on using them I'd for sure take it. That is closer to tcgmid price than it is low and they have shown that they will reprint desirable modern cards. It has been creeping up since the beginning of the year but considering the cut you usually take selling cards for cash, it would have to go up another $10 or so before you realistically missed value on them. In the mean time you can invest the $90 elsewhere.

If you might use them then I'd just keep them because if they miss out on the next masters, which isn't unlikely considering how niche they are, then they are going to clime closer to $50.

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We don’t actually know rarities yet, right? This is just educated-guesswork?

Unless the information that got leaked differs from WotC's official document disclosing the spoiled material, that's correct according to my understanding.

Edit: It appears there's information regarding rarity for a select number of cards, but I can't attest to its accuracy since they don't cite a source Link

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We don’t actually know rarities yet, right? This is just educated-guesswork?

Unless the information that got leaked differs from WotC's official document disclosing the spoiled material, that's correct according to my understanding.

Edit: It appears there's information regarding rarity for a select number of cards, but I can't attest to its accuracy since they don't cite a source Link

Heh. That's an amazing resource; it identifies 124 out out this set's 53 rares! It looks like their methodology was to make everything rare, then bump the planeswalkers up to mythic and assign a few obviously-sub-rare cards guesses at rarity.

I think for rarity, common sense probably rules the day. A goblin that gets boosted by kicker costs probably is common, where as there is no way Jhiora is anything but rare.

I think a lot of the Legendary creatures in this set, that would be assumed Rares in most sets, will actually be Uncommons here. The whole 'guaranteed Legendary creature in every pack' clause combined with the numbers breakdown (the normal 53+15 rares+mythics) really necessitates a lot of uncommon Legendaries. Jhoira's probably among the rares, but there will be a grey area where a Legendary won't be clearly predictable whether it's uncommon or rare.

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Price question. Have three M11 Leyline of Sanctity in good condition. Someone wants to buy all three for 90 dollars. Sell now?

If you don't plan on using them I'd for sure take it. That is closer to tcgmid price than it is low and they have shown that they will reprint desirable modern cards. It has been creeping up since the beginning of the year but considering the cut you usually take selling cards for cash, it would have to go up another $10 or so before you realistically missed value on them. In the mean time you can invest the $90 elsewhere.

If you might use them then I'd just keep them because if they miss out on the next masters, which isn't unlikely considering how niche they are, then they are going to clime closer to $50.

Thanks for the advice.. Will sell the leylines tomorrow. I heard that Bogles players like them. Waiting for them to climb to 50 seems tempting.. but I feel that being greedy can backfire, so better just grab the easy cash now. ^__^

Well, I think the prices in modern at the moment are super inflated and this is the point to sell anything before the prices start to drop. Assuming WoTC hasn't lost their minds and decided that they want Masters 25 every year, there's no way they aren't reprinting cards like Dark Confidant and Snapcaster mage again. Even the fetchlands are probably going to have to get reprinted again to prevent them from just going back up to where they were prior to MM2017. We're also going into the summer of commander / pauper again so the commander staples are going to start climbing in the next few months. Hope you got your Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobites and Kokusho, the Evening Stars.

Yeah, Bobs, Snaps, Goyfs, Lili, fetches - we're going to see them again, it's just a matter of how soon. The question isn't if we'll see them again, it's always when. The problem is that in their attempt to make the sets draftable, they're limited in what they can do. Only so many rare lands, certain cards at mythic rare, etc. I mean sure they could just print better rares, but you can't get fetches and Zendikar manlands, even though that's what people seem to want.

I think as long as cards are topping out just over $100 USD, I think they're okay with how things go. Even if they start increasing the EV of masters sets by putting more valuable cards, there's no easy way to mass reprint things to plummet the market. Your most accessible method to getting them in the hands of players is packs that are reasonably priced. So in reality, you might get a set like A25 except it also had Snap, Goyf, Lili, Bob, and a couple other things.

How big is the size of the Masters' Series print runs compared to a regular expansion one?