People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
I fully agree, there no way Jace's prices will crash. Printed as a mythic in an expensive set means that M25 will only make a dent on its price. In fact the old printings may retain their value and M25 Jace will be a little cheaper, which is what happened to lili with MM17.
What do you guys think about Thoughtseize? IoK can't grab Jace, which may be crucial for some midrange decks, and they'll probably max out on TS. And it was recently reprinted so it's unlikely to be in M25. Will we see a significant price variation?
People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.
1. Believe me or not, his price will not go below $100 USD after M25...
2. We might see another price peak when there are some tournament results associated with him.
People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.
He stands at $140-150 this morning, and I seriously doubt he will dip down under $100. He will be red hot for months at least. If you don't intend to play him, sell. If you can get over $100 (after fees), sure, you're not taking that huge risk. Otherwise, I would hold: you risk losing money and the potential gains are simply not worth it.
Look at the prices for the MM3 Mythic staples: they were at the cheapest just before release. The volume of Mythic cards a Masters set injects into the market is remarkably low: players keep the ones they open more often than not.
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.
1. Believe me or not, his price will not go below $100 USD after M25...
2. We might see another price peak when there are some tournament results associated with him.
To be frank I'm 50/50 on him dipping below 100 usd. The problem with Jace is that he is a card that was never modern legal except for a small window, so many players who play modern exclusively do not have Jace. This makes it an easy target to increase the price on because those players now have to go pick up their copies. The issue is how big is the supply of the card? My thoughts are it is around the same supply as LoTV, but it was in World Wake, Eternal Masters, and From the Vault 20 while LoTV was in Innistrad and Masters 2017. Given the big box stores are likely not running game related discount sales in spring, we're not going to see as many packs opened from players who primarily frequent general stores, so that means those players are also more likely to mail order.
At the prices he is at he isn't really obtainable by mail order due to the high price tag, so his demand is mostly coming from hardcore players and tournament grinders, as well as the sponsored teams. Commander players may chip away at him, but I've got a feeling that if someone played commander and wanted Jace, they probably already have one. Those that don't have him likely aren't going to go out of their way to buy him now.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
Neither. The Zendikar manlands can only be reprinted in a Masters set due to their power level, and A25 seems to me like the best place for them. Filterlands are some of the weakest dual lands, and can be put in a Standard set easily. They see only marginal play and the only reason for their high prices is the very low supply.
If you really have to, take Colonnade: it is played in Tier 1 and 2 decks (Jeskai, UW Control). Be warned that the price will go down when it is reprinted (and we all pretty much expect them in A25), but they will tick back up in the next few years. Look at Horizon Canopy's price curve to see what you can expect.
Filterlands prices will crash when they are finally reprinted.
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.
Fair enough, I want both for modern, and I actually plan on using the heath more, but collonade has a much greater demand so even with a reprint it is probably the better decision.
For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.
Fair enough, I want both for modern, and I actually plan on using the heath more, but collonade has a much greater demand so even with a reprint it is probably the better decision.
For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?
The Zendikar Manlands, I'm 90% certain at this point: will never be seen in Standard again due to power level, 2 are great to open, 1 is worth a booster. Filterlands are not worthy of a Masters set, Allied Fastlands are safe in Standard, Fetchlands were just reprinted (though their price warrants another print run).
For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?
Zenfetches in A25.
Over the manlands and after the mm reprint? I guess it is possible, but I'd say unlikely. It'd be interesting if they decide to split up cycles or even give us two cycles.
I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.
You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.
Fair enough, I want both for modern, and I actually plan on using the heath more, but collonade has a much greater demand so even with a reprint it is probably the better decision.
For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?
My bet is that there is no 100% cycle. They said they are taking cards from magics history and at least one card from each set, so that will include lands as well. Cellestial Colonnade is one of the top lands that will likely see a reprint. The other lands that will probably show up is Sunken Ruins, Blackcleave Cliffs, Stomping Ground, Windswept Heath, Rishadan Port, and either Ancient Tomb or Wasteland. My money is on the latter. I'm also expecting them to be running famous archetypes in the set such as affinity, caw blade (or an imitation of it), sly, and probably a landfall or ramp theme of some kind. You don't print Azusa, lost but seeking and then just leave the entire lands matter theme off the table.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Very good points. I doubt we will see a cycle either now going through your post. I do see you mention windswept heath, but that was the only Khans fetch that was reprinted in a supplemental product (clash pack I believe?) which had a lot of good value and sold well. There are quite a few more copies of heath than any other fetch. Curious why you think heath will be the fetch?
Very good points. I doubt we will see a cycle either now going through your post. I do see you mention windswept heath, but that was the only Khans fetch that was reprinted in a supplemental product (clash pack I believe?) which had a lot of good value and sold well. There are quite a few more copies of heath than any other fetch. Curious why you think heath will be the fetch?
Mostly to fill out the land cycle. They need a green / white land and if they are doing one land per set they don't have a lot of high price options to put in the slot. They could do Brushland as another option, but the fetch seems like it would be the better value. If they hadn't just reprinted Horizon Canopy I'd say that would be in the set.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze
I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze
All 10 Fetchlands... when there are still fetch-able lands in Standard... Not happening. They learned their lessons in BFZ standard. We will see an Enemy cycle that will complete one of the Allied-only ones: probably the BFZ or SOI lands, or maybe the cycling Duals.
They don't want to see fetchlands in Standard again, and they will only do this when they will be forced to due to low sales and low interest in Standard.
I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze
If they reprint all fetches in return to dominaria it will sell the boosters but it will be a travesty on standard due to pre-order pricing on singles. Also knowing wizards it will probably be all 10 pain lands.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze
Any evidence or reason into that spec? I'd be absolutely stunned if they ever print fetches in standard again, especially so soon and with a multicolor block still in standard. I think it was the main reason fetches were in MM when they could've used them to sell a standard set instead.
I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze
Any evidence or reason into that spec? I'd be absolutely stunned if they ever print fetches in standard again, especially so soon and with a multicolor block still in standard. I think it was the main reason fetches were in MM when they could've used them to sell a standard set instead.
We'd never have access to the info but I'm curious what the delta is between a standard set and a masters set. If it costs roughly the same to produce a standard print run and a masters run (again without hard numbers here I have no idea, but I'm suspecting even with foils and gimmicky packaging the MM sets are cheaper on product volume alone), then maybe wizards doesn't make more when they're standard legal.
Khans having the onslaught fetches was a nescessary evil of hitting enough printed copies to satisfy the modern market as well as introduce the allied lands and give allied color pairings a fighting chance in the modern metagame because fixing was subpar to enemy colors after Zen.
For what it's worth I'm looking to dump colonnade. I just can't see justification in a $60+ price tag on a card that was also a bit a box promo less then ten years ago that showed up at rare. It's being affected by jace's unbanning for sure, but even then...the card is no where near tarn levels of applicability and it's closing in on the price. I really think it's a demand thing.
The comparison to horizon canopy above seems reasonable imo. I think it's a demand issue, but the market is assuming there is less supply and more demand then what is actually true. More copies could cause a a strong adjustment. I don't think the price will be impacted much if it doesn't show up, doesn't seem to be stopping people right now with previews not that far off.
Also knowing wizards it will probably be all 10 pain lands.
Aren't they really hesitant to print 10 rare lands in a single set, primarily because of draft/sealed? I expect if they want to reprint a full 10-cycle they'll do it over the course of 2 sets, like they did in RtR/Gatecrash. Having lands come up in the rare slot 20/121 times in draft/sealed is an awful lot.
All 10 Fetchlands... when there are still fetch-able lands in Standard... Not happening. They learned their lessons in BFZ standard.
But the fetchable lands we have always enter the battlefield tapped. That's a pretty far cry from the BFZ lands, which under the right conditions could fetch you fixing that you could use immediately. There's a lot more motivation to run fetches when you can (conditionally) fetch a Cinder Glade and use it right away, than a Sheltered Thicket that always enters tapped.
Back in woops territory. Inferring just from the fluctuation in that collection, it looks like people are picking up pieces other than JTMS and BBE right now to get full decks. If I sold at any point up to now I wouldn't have made any more than on Sunday. But it's about $10 more now.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).
The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.
I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
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WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
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RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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What do you guys think about Thoughtseize? IoK can't grab Jace, which may be crucial for some midrange decks, and they'll probably max out on TS. And it was recently reprinted so it's unlikely to be in M25. Will we see a significant price variation?
His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. Believe me or not, his price will not go below $100 USD after M25...
2. We might see another price peak when there are some tournament results associated with him.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
He stands at $140-150 this morning, and I seriously doubt he will dip down under $100. He will be red hot for months at least. If you don't intend to play him, sell. If you can get over $100 (after fees), sure, you're not taking that huge risk. Otherwise, I would hold: you risk losing money and the potential gains are simply not worth it.
Look at the prices for the MM3 Mythic staples: they were at the cheapest just before release. The volume of Mythic cards a Masters set injects into the market is remarkably low: players keep the ones they open more often than not.
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WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
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RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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To be frank I'm 50/50 on him dipping below 100 usd. The problem with Jace is that he is a card that was never modern legal except for a small window, so many players who play modern exclusively do not have Jace. This makes it an easy target to increase the price on because those players now have to go pick up their copies. The issue is how big is the supply of the card? My thoughts are it is around the same supply as LoTV, but it was in World Wake, Eternal Masters, and From the Vault 20 while LoTV was in Innistrad and Masters 2017. Given the big box stores are likely not running game related discount sales in spring, we're not going to see as many packs opened from players who primarily frequent general stores, so that means those players are also more likely to mail order.
At the prices he is at he isn't really obtainable by mail order due to the high price tag, so his demand is mostly coming from hardcore players and tournament grinders, as well as the sponsored teams. Commander players may chip away at him, but I've got a feeling that if someone played commander and wanted Jace, they probably already have one. Those that don't have him likely aren't going to go out of their way to buy him now.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Neither. The Zendikar manlands can only be reprinted in a Masters set due to their power level, and A25 seems to me like the best place for them. Filterlands are some of the weakest dual lands, and can be put in a Standard set easily. They see only marginal play and the only reason for their high prices is the very low supply.
If you really have to, take Colonnade: it is played in Tier 1 and 2 decks (Jeskai, UW Control). Be warned that the price will go down when it is reprinted (and we all pretty much expect them in A25), but they will tick back up in the next few years. Look at Horizon Canopy's price curve to see what you can expect.
Filterlands prices will crash when they are finally reprinted.
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UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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Fair enough, I want both for modern, and I actually plan on using the heath more, but collonade has a much greater demand so even with a reprint it is probably the better decision.
For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?
The Zendikar Manlands, I'm 90% certain at this point: will never be seen in Standard again due to power level, 2 are great to open, 1 is worth a booster. Filterlands are not worthy of a Masters set, Allied Fastlands are safe in Standard, Fetchlands were just reprinted (though their price warrants another print run).
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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W Death & Taxes W
Zenfetches in A25.
Over the manlands and after the mm reprint? I guess it is possible, but I'd say unlikely. It'd be interesting if they decide to split up cycles or even give us two cycles.
My bet is that there is no 100% cycle. They said they are taking cards from magics history and at least one card from each set, so that will include lands as well. Cellestial Colonnade is one of the top lands that will likely see a reprint. The other lands that will probably show up is Sunken Ruins, Blackcleave Cliffs, Stomping Ground, Windswept Heath, Rishadan Port, and either Ancient Tomb or Wasteland. My money is on the latter. I'm also expecting them to be running famous archetypes in the set such as affinity, caw blade (or an imitation of it), sly, and probably a landfall or ramp theme of some kind. You don't print Azusa, lost but seeking and then just leave the entire lands matter theme off the table.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mostly to fill out the land cycle. They need a green / white land and if they are doing one land per set they don't have a lot of high price options to put in the slot. They could do Brushland as another option, but the fetch seems like it would be the better value. If they hadn't just reprinted Horizon Canopy I'd say that would be in the set.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
All 10 Fetchlands... when there are still fetch-able lands in Standard... Not happening. They learned their lessons in BFZ standard. We will see an Enemy cycle that will complete one of the Allied-only ones: probably the BFZ or SOI lands, or maybe the cycling Duals.
They don't want to see fetchlands in Standard again, and they will only do this when they will be forced to due to low sales and low interest in Standard.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
If they reprint all fetches in return to dominaria it will sell the boosters but it will be a travesty on standard due to pre-order pricing on singles. Also knowing wizards it will probably be all 10 pain lands.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Any evidence or reason into that spec? I'd be absolutely stunned if they ever print fetches in standard again, especially so soon and with a multicolor block still in standard. I think it was the main reason fetches were in MM when they could've used them to sell a standard set instead.
We'd never have access to the info but I'm curious what the delta is between a standard set and a masters set. If it costs roughly the same to produce a standard print run and a masters run (again without hard numbers here I have no idea, but I'm suspecting even with foils and gimmicky packaging the MM sets are cheaper on product volume alone), then maybe wizards doesn't make more when they're standard legal.
Khans having the onslaught fetches was a nescessary evil of hitting enough printed copies to satisfy the modern market as well as introduce the allied lands and give allied color pairings a fighting chance in the modern metagame because fixing was subpar to enemy colors after Zen.
For what it's worth I'm looking to dump colonnade. I just can't see justification in a $60+ price tag on a card that was also a bit a box promo less then ten years ago that showed up at rare. It's being affected by jace's unbanning for sure, but even then...the card is no where near tarn levels of applicability and it's closing in on the price. I really think it's a demand thing.
The comparison to horizon canopy above seems reasonable imo. I think it's a demand issue, but the market is assuming there is less supply and more demand then what is actually true. More copies could cause a a strong adjustment. I don't think the price will be impacted much if it doesn't show up, doesn't seem to be stopping people right now with previews not that far off.
Aren't they really hesitant to print 10 rare lands in a single set, primarily because of draft/sealed? I expect if they want to reprint a full 10-cycle they'll do it over the course of 2 sets, like they did in RtR/Gatecrash. Having lands come up in the rare slot 20/121 times in draft/sealed is an awful lot.
But the fetchable lands we have always enter the battlefield tapped. That's a pretty far cry from the BFZ lands, which under the right conditions could fetch you fixing that you could use immediately. There's a lot more motivation to run fetches when you can (conditionally) fetch a Cinder Glade and use it right away, than a Sheltered Thicket that always enters tapped.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero