Tarns dipping below 40 on tcg. Think they'll go below 30 after release?
And holy crap, foils are already listed at $80.
WOW.
WOOOOOOOOOOW.
Do we see Expeditions fall down as a result?
Probably not. Those are super exclusive special editions. Although they have fallen a little over time, the blue fetches are still ridiculously strong.
We'll see just how much product is opened and how prices will sustain, but the bar is set. Currently 3 sellers and 6 copies (five at $80 one at $100) with the set not even out yet. Let the undercut battles begin.
The foil price is kinda troubling. Foils have, at least for me, represented the health of the game. The most rare iteration of a card. As long as they stay at a premium, the game is fine. But if they lose too much value, it means that the most valuable part of the card market is failing. I mean they are still quite a ways from being anything less than premium and now we have to factor in the extra rare iterations into the equation. Certainly will be something to watch. Hopefully it's just a momentary dip.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
The foil price is kinda troubling. Foils have, at least for me, represented the health of the game. The most rare iteration of a card. As long as they stay at a premium, the game is fine. But if they lose too much value, it means that the most valuable part of the card market is failing. I mean they are still quite a ways from being anything less than premium and now we have to factor in the extra rare iterations into the equation. Certainly will be something to watch. Hopefully it's just a momentary dip.
Going on a percentage multiplier, it's still pretty well on-target. Standard MM17 Tarns are currently listed at 40, which means the foil MM17 Tarn is 200% the standard price. An original Zen Tarn was steadily $80 for the last several months, with a foil price around $165, a little more than 200% value.
But honestly, if that's the price the card demands, that's the price it will hold. If people (like me) want to buy them up at $80, then eventually sellers will up prices to keep up with demand on a limited quantity supply. But if it sits at $80 and doesn't move, it's because people don't want to buy them and the card shouldn't hold that much value, despite the idea that it "probably should."
The fact that Verdant Catacombs is only $5 less than Scalding Tarn in regular and foil tells us that the gap has closed significantly. Between blue being trash and BGx being fantastic, demand for one has gone up and demand for the other has gone down. Modern is still the largest primary source of demand for fetchlands, and regardless of its perceived "health," it is certainly still very popular.
The foil price is kinda troubling. Foils have, at least for me, represented the health of the game. The most rare iteration of a card. As long as they stay at a premium, the game is fine. But if they lose too much value, it means that the most valuable part of the card market is failing. I mean they are still quite a ways from being anything less than premium and now we have to factor in the extra rare iterations into the equation. Certainly will be something to watch. Hopefully it's just a momentary dip.
I am almost positive this is momentary. The format certainly isn't what it was but almost everyone is waiting until after packs start getting cracked. For what it's worth I noticed across multiple trading platforms and at my LGS modern trading was pretty dead until after MM was spoiled, which resulted in a surge of trades. People were just waiting, not primarily a lack of interest.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
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Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Hoping that Verdant Catacombs also drop in price. Sold my zendikar playset of catacombs, playset of arid mesa and 2 misty rainforest 5 months before MM 2017. Now hoping to buy them again at low price... rawr. >____<
Oh, I agree. And it's cool that they are coming down into your price range. It just makes me worry when foils fluctuate. There is plenty of reason for them to with the reprint and all. Its just that they are usually pretty solid. I'd be curious to compare the original fetches foil prices to when they were reprinted and kinda see if the expedition printing is having an effect on the premium card market.
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Makes sense. Kinda the downside of having a scheduled MM release. Everyone just kinda holds off on buying with hopes of a certain card being in. Also kinda facilitates price spikes cause if the card is in, great, if not, grab it now or wait another 2 years.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
I stopped playing MTG for the 2nd time a few years ago and was recently going through some old binders and boxes pulling out some leftover stuff of value to sell and I came across an old Affinity deck I started to construct. I sold some stuff, but I've decided to trade in a bunch of stuff to Troll & Toad & Card Kingdom to finish the deck. My son right now is into Pokemon so I thought maybe he'll eventually get into Magic and I'd had a Modern deck to mess around with. I've always been into pimping out decks and was wondering what everyone's thought's on the new Masterpiece Inventions set is? Do you think it's going to hold value? More particularly Mox Opal & Arcbound Ravager. I have about $800 in credit between the 2 store and am trying to decide how "pimp" to make the deck. Or do you think I'm better off just buying the cheaper versions of the cards and investing it somewhere else? Maybe a few JtmS, Stoneforge, etc and hope they get unbanned. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts!
Hey JuzamJace,
If you are buying Mox Opal and Arcbound Ravager masterpiece cards then yes they are likely to hold value. They cards are so rare that the price will stay high even if the cards are reprinted with regular pictures. If you want to have decks in the future to play with I'd just buy play sets of cards you can use for different modern decks. $800 can probably buy four modern decks or more depending on the deck. If you want to speculate on Jace, the Mind Sculptor now would be a good time if you can get him for $60 or less. His price will probably go back up $100 just because he is the most notorious card. I don't think wizards is going to unban anything else from modern for years. I'm basing jace and stoneforge demand off of commander. If you want to speculate on stoneforge you can but I wouldn't, it's very likely to see future reprints.
Thanks for the input! I don't really care about. Holding more decks cause I don't play anymore. It's figured I'd build the Affinity deck to have something. I think I'm going to stick to my original plan and buy those cards in masterpiece collection and buy up Jace's with the leftover. I've been lucky with JtmS so far.
Mox Opal is always one of the first cards mentioned, along with Simian Spirit Guide as being in line for a ban.
If it gets banned, the value will drop like, well, an opal (it is a stone, after all!)
I'd be leery of buying a Mox Opal Masterpiece. My long term on that is Sell. The Arcbound Ravager is a Buy, as are every other masterpiece. 107/108 Masterpieces/Expeditions are a long term Buy, the lone exception is the Opal.
Mox Opal is always one of the first cards mentioned, along with Simian Spirit Guide as being in line for a ban.
If it gets banned, the value will drop like, well, an opal (it is a stone, after all!)
I'd be leery of buying a Mox Opal Masterpiece. My long term on that is Sell. The Arcbound Ravager is a Buy, as are every other masterpiece. 107/108 Masterpieces/Expeditions are a long term Buy, the lone exception is the Opal.
I think you're giving static orb a little too much credit here...
Picked up two Scalding Tarn foils; one for 80 and one for 70. 80 seems the current floor on both tcg and eBay. There was a listing for 75 on eBay with Best Offer and they accepted 70. Let's see what it does in the next few days and weeks. That will tell me when I need to buy the other two.
Hey JuzamJace,
If you are buying Mox Opal and Arcbound Ravager masterpiece cards then yes they are likely to hold value. They cards are so rare that the price will stay high even if the cards are reprinted with regular pictures. If you want to have decks in the future to play with I'd just buy play sets of cards you can use for different modern decks. $800 can probably buy four modern decks or more depending on the deck. If you want to speculate on Jace, the Mind Sculptor now would be a good time if you can get him for $60 or less. His price will probably go back up $100 just because he is the most notorious card. I don't think wizards is going to unban anything else from modern for years. I'm basing jace and stoneforge demand off of commander. If you want to speculate on stoneforge you can but I wouldn't, it's very likely to see future reprints.
Thanks for the input! I don't really care about. Holding more decks cause I don't play anymore. It's figured I'd build the Affinity deck to have something. I think I'm going to stick to my original plan and buy those cards in masterpiece collection and buy up Jace's with the leftover. I've been lucky with JtmS so far.
This makes no sense, if opal dies, Ravager dies
Frank Karsten wrote about a year ago that Affinity could not survive a mox opal ban and would no longer be competitively viable
Frank Karsen's opinion on affinity>Every random on reddit and mtgsalvation combined
Hey JuzamJace,
If you are buying Mox Opal and Arcbound Ravager masterpiece cards then yes they are likely to hold value. They cards are so rare that the price will stay high even if the cards are reprinted with regular pictures. If you want to have decks in the future to play with I'd just buy play sets of cards you can use for different modern decks. $800 can probably buy four modern decks or more depending on the deck. If you want to speculate on Jace, the Mind Sculptor now would be a good time if you can get him for $60 or less. His price will probably go back up $100 just because he is the most notorious card. I don't think wizards is going to unban anything else from modern for years. I'm basing jace and stoneforge demand off of commander. If you want to speculate on stoneforge you can but I wouldn't, it's very likely to see future reprints.
Thanks for the input! I don't really care about. Holding more decks cause I don't play anymore. It's figured I'd build the Affinity deck to have something. I think I'm going to stick to my original plan and buy those cards in masterpiece collection and buy up Jace's with the leftover. I've been lucky with JtmS so far.
This makes no sense, if opal dies, Ravager dies
Frank Karsten wrote about a year ago that Affinity could not survive a mox opal ban and would no longer be competitively viable
Frank Karsen's opinion on affinity>Every random on reddit and mtgsalvation combined
This thinking by certain high level players pisses me off. Affinity was a very fast explosive deck prior to the printing of Mox Opal. To say Affinity would die because of a ban is unfair. Its like saying Jund would die with a BBE banning.
@cfusionpm, gratz on your foils breaking the $100 level. I would buy them while you can because they will be going back up soon.
Hey JuzamJace,
If you are buying Mox Opal and Arcbound Ravager masterpiece cards then yes they are likely to hold value. They cards are so rare that the price will stay high even if the cards are reprinted with regular pictures. If you want to have decks in the future to play with I'd just buy play sets of cards you can use for different modern decks. $800 can probably buy four modern decks or more depending on the deck. If you want to speculate on Jace, the Mind Sculptor now would be a good time if you can get him for $60 or less. His price will probably go back up $100 just because he is the most notorious card. I don't think wizards is going to unban anything else from modern for years. I'm basing jace and stoneforge demand off of commander. If you want to speculate on stoneforge you can but I wouldn't, it's very likely to see future reprints.
Thanks for the input! I don't really care about. Holding more decks cause I don't play anymore. It's figured I'd build the Affinity deck to have something. I think I'm going to stick to my original plan and buy those cards in masterpiece collection and buy up Jace's with the leftover. I've been lucky with JtmS so far.
This makes no sense, if opal dies, Ravager dies
Frank Karsten wrote about a year ago that Affinity could not survive a mox opal ban and would no longer be competitively viable
Frank Karsen's opinion on affinity>Every random on reddit and mtgsalvation combined
This thinking by certain high level players pisses me off. Affinity was a very fast explosive deck prior to the printing of Mox Opal. To say Affinity would die because of a ban is unfair. Its like saying Jund would die with a BBE banning.
@cfusionpm, gratz on your foils breaking the $100 level. I would buy them while you can because they will be going back up soon.
It can piss you off all you want, but I definitely value his opinion more than yours, considering he plays the deck nearly exclusively, works with WOTC, and is their statistics man.
I saw on reddit with someone saying the Street Wraiths were running low on TCG so I snatched some foils up. They've gone up by 2 dollars I think. The baubles are what have grown out of control. I can't wait until their reprinted as common and drop to 5 dollars. How long that'll be, I have no clue
I've ordered a playset of verdant catacomb and a playset of tarmo at my local store. Tarmo is at 75euros right now. Do you think I have to wait a bit to take them? What can be the lowest price for tarmo?
Dude, either way you're making out, I paid way, way more for all of those things, this is a fantastic time into buying into GBx, I'm jealous
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And holy crap, foils are already listed at $80.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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WOW.
WOOOOOOOOOOW.
Do we see Expeditions fall down as a result?
Probably not. Those are super exclusive special editions. Although they have fallen a little over time, the blue fetches are still ridiculously strong.
We'll see just how much product is opened and how prices will sustain, but the bar is set. Currently 3 sellers and 6 copies (five at $80 one at $100) with the set not even out yet. Let the undercut battles begin.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
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GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Going on a percentage multiplier, it's still pretty well on-target. Standard MM17 Tarns are currently listed at 40, which means the foil MM17 Tarn is 200% the standard price. An original Zen Tarn was steadily $80 for the last several months, with a foil price around $165, a little more than 200% value.
But honestly, if that's the price the card demands, that's the price it will hold. If people (like me) want to buy them up at $80, then eventually sellers will up prices to keep up with demand on a limited quantity supply. But if it sits at $80 and doesn't move, it's because people don't want to buy them and the card shouldn't hold that much value, despite the idea that it "probably should."
The fact that Verdant Catacombs is only $5 less than Scalding Tarn in regular and foil tells us that the gap has closed significantly. Between blue being trash and BGx being fantastic, demand for one has gone up and demand for the other has gone down. Modern is still the largest primary source of demand for fetchlands, and regardless of its perceived "health," it is certainly still very popular.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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Standard:
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GW Bogle
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Goblins
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Actually really happy about this. Now the most restrictive part price-wise about getting into this format is down by 30-ish %
I stopped playing MTG for the 2nd time a few years ago and was recently going through some old binders and boxes pulling out some leftover stuff of value to sell and I came across an old Affinity deck I started to construct. I sold some stuff, but I've decided to trade in a bunch of stuff to Troll & Toad & Card Kingdom to finish the deck. My son right now is into Pokemon so I thought maybe he'll eventually get into Magic and I'd had a Modern deck to mess around with. I've always been into pimping out decks and was wondering what everyone's thought's on the new Masterpiece Inventions set is? Do you think it's going to hold value? More particularly Mox Opal & Arcbound Ravager. I have about $800 in credit between the 2 store and am trying to decide how "pimp" to make the deck. Or do you think I'm better off just buying the cheaper versions of the cards and investing it somewhere else? Maybe a few JtmS, Stoneforge, etc and hope they get unbanned. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts!
Thanks
Mike
Thanks for the input! I don't really care about. Holding more decks cause I don't play anymore. It's figured I'd build the Affinity deck to have something. I think I'm going to stick to my original plan and buy those cards in masterpiece collection and buy up Jace's with the leftover. I've been lucky with JtmS so far.
Mox Opal is always one of the first cards mentioned, along with Simian Spirit Guide as being in line for a ban.
If it gets banned, the value will drop like, well, an opal (it is a stone, after all!)
I'd be leery of buying a Mox Opal Masterpiece. My long term on that is Sell. The Arcbound Ravager is a Buy, as are every other masterpiece. 107/108 Masterpieces/Expeditions are a long term Buy, the lone exception is the Opal.
I think you're giving static orb a little too much credit here...
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UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
This makes no sense, if opal dies, Ravager dies
Frank Karsten wrote about a year ago that Affinity could not survive a mox opal ban and would no longer be competitively viable
Frank Karsen's opinion on affinity>Every random on reddit and mtgsalvation combined
This thinking by certain high level players pisses me off. Affinity was a very fast explosive deck prior to the printing of Mox Opal. To say Affinity would die because of a ban is unfair. Its like saying Jund would die with a BBE banning.
@cfusionpm, gratz on your foils breaking the $100 level. I would buy them while you can because they will be going back up soon.
David Ochoa: "Mono-bacon!..."
I don't know if that means you agree with me. But the fact is, MM sees play in Hulk lists.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/649266-bubble-hulk
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BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
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It can piss you off all you want, but I definitely value his opinion more than yours, considering he plays the deck nearly exclusively, works with WOTC, and is their statistics man.
Dude, either way you're making out, I paid way, way more for all of those things, this is a fantastic time into buying into GBx, I'm jealous