I predicted that Push would stay at $5 or even go higher. Not many believed. High demand card, and making matters worse is this standard is not popular, meaning less are drafting it. Even if you draft it, it's a 2 Kaladesh, 1 Aether Revolt draft.
Don't look for prices to fall any time soon. Amonkhet is only a month away, and then the prices should start to slowly rise.
Blue won't be bad forever, agreed. I think those foil Tarns will be a great pickup
I replaced my Jund stuff with trades on mtgtraders and channelfireball
I started buying expedition foils last year and really regretted it, I sold them and am replacing them with the original fetchland foils, and Ravnica shockland foils. Waiting for store credit to go through, I'll officially have Jund and Junk's landbase foiled out except for Marsh Flats, which I'll pick up once they tank from Modern Masters.
I really want to get Lorwyn foil thoughtseizes, but 200 a piece at the cheapest is difficult to find. It's kinda why I didn't buy foil Goyf Future Sight, I already play with a crazy expensive deck, I don't want to add a 2800 playset of a creature.
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So rogue deckbuilder mentioned in one of his videos that the print run on mm2017 is going to be much lower than originally anticipated. Honestly if you want a great long term investment pick these things up. They will be the holy grail for anyone who enjoyed Modern (which is a very large group) and will skyrocket long term. Looking at the Lord of the rings card game which has long been discontinued, their last set they filled with good cards that made it super popular and is still a valuable set despite being a dead card game
Now modern unlike the Lord of the rings card game will not die anytime soon. Honestly this is one of the best possible investment opportunities I have seen I n a long time.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
So rogue deckbuilder mentioned in one of his videos that the print run on mm2017 is going to be much lower than originally anticipated. Honestly if you want a great long term investment pick these things up. They will be the holy grail for anyone who enjoyed Modern (which is a very large group) and will skyrocket long term.
Many youtubers have said many things. We'll know once the boxes are actually on the shelves... but even then, they could have a "mysterious" second print run like Eternal Masters and crash everything again. Wizards would be stupid not to up the print run; these will sell like crazy.
Blue won't be bad forever, agreed. I think those foil Tarns will be a great pickup
I replaced my Jund stuff with trades on mtgtraders and channelfireball
I started buying expedition foils last year and really regretted it, I sold them and am replacing them with the original fetchland foils, and Ravnica shockland foils. Waiting for store credit to go through, I'll officially have Jund and Junk's landbase foiled out except for Marsh Flats, which I'll pick up once they tank from Modern Masters.
I actually quite like Expedition shocklands (because they go really well with BFZ full art foil basics), but haven't sprung for any of the fetches. All those foils are KTK or will be MM17. Hopefully the foiling process isn't as ugly and dull as MM15. Deltas look great. Tarns should look amazing.
Some of the expeditions were really ugly, I don't like their foiling process, I was seeing the foils peel at the edges when I wasn't even rough with them in double sleeves.
MM15 is a little ugly, I had foil Dark Confidants in M15 and was like, "what the hell did I do, I bought skrillex, not Bob"
So rogue deckbuilder mentioned in one of his videos that the print run on mm2017 is going to be much lower than originally anticipated. Honestly if you want a great long term investment pick these things up. They will be the holy grail for anyone who enjoyed Modern (which is a very large group) and will skyrocket long term.
Many youtubers have said many things. We'll know once the boxes are actually on the shelves... but even then, they could have a "mysterious" second print run like Eternal Masters and crash everything again. Wizards would be stupid not to up the print run; these will sell like crazy.
Blue won't be bad forever, agreed. I think those foil Tarns will be a great pickup
I replaced my Jund stuff with trades on mtgtraders and channelfireball
I started buying expedition foils last year and really regretted it, I sold them and am replacing them with the original fetchland foils, and Ravnica shockland foils. Waiting for store credit to go through, I'll officially have Jund and Junk's landbase foiled out except for Marsh Flats, which I'll pick up once they tank from Modern Masters.
I actually quite like Expedition shocklands (because they go really well with BFZ full art foil basics), but haven't sprung for any of the fetches. All those foils are KTK or will be MM17. Hopefully the foiling process isn't as ugly and dull as MM15. Deltas look great. Tarns should look amazing.
large print run or not two years from now these are easily 300 and five years I wouldn't be shocked to see them at 400
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
I don't think they will be, the promo fetchlands aren't crazy prices like that, and Return to Zendikar was printed into oblivion. A lot of players aren't crazy about the borders. Some of the fetches and shocks look REALLY ugly, too, and you can't just really play expeditions with non expeditions (I mean, you can on a literal basis, but I imagine most players with money like that won't do that)
Sorry if I missed this discussion, but I'd like a few advices about the best moment to buy Cavern of souls.
Here in europe, the spoil made it lost about 10% of their value (approx 5EUR), but are still expensive(~40/each) especially since I need 3 of the original art (the new one is awful imo).
When do you think cavern will hit its low? I think it will take a month or so, but I don't really have any experience at gessing those things.
Also, does anybody have an idea of how much will be that low? I'd like it to be 20-25, but it's maybe hoping too much. What do you think?
You're probably a little too optimistic; it's still Mythic in a limited print set and a high-demand card (especially from casual players, but the demand is still there). I'd guess it settles around 30-35.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
I don't think they will be, the promo fetchlands aren't crazy prices like that, and Return to Zendikar was printed into oblivion. A lot of players aren't crazy about the borders. Some of the fetches and shocks look REALLY ugly, too, and you can't just really play expeditions with non expeditions (I mean, you can on a literal basis, but I imagine most players with money like that won't do that)
I meant MM2017 boxes not expeditions, sorry I am on my phone and couldn't edit out tbe second half of the post.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
Well, the silver lining of the "no changes" announcement is that blue will continue to remain terrible, which means blue staples will remain extremely cheap to pick up. Which also means foil Scalding Tarns will continue to drop in price. I had been holding my breath on foil Tarns for a while, especially after hearing about a reprint. But if an unban happened before release, they would spike up considerably. Now, without an unban or the possibility of blue being any good for the next couple of months, my patience has paid off. Once MM17 actively gets into circulation, I fully expect foil Tarns to dip well below $100, and possibly as low (or lower!) than $80.
Master sets dont really effect foil prices. Maybe if it as the third or fourth printing like it did with Cryptics, Bob, and Goyf. I see maybe a small dip to $120ish.
Number of printings isn't as important as total number of copies in circulation. Sometimes multiple printings in a low-volume, exclusive set won't result in nearly as much of an impact as a single reprinting of a large-availability set. It will all come down to the true numbers of MM17's print run. Pre-order prices were already around ~$120 before the set is even out. It's entirely possible to fall below $100.
But it certainly helps that there is little to no Modern demand for Tarn right now. Imagine if something silly happened like an unban to help blue? The price would be astronomical!
Edit: a better example is Snapcaster Mage. Probably one of the best creatures ever printed and peaked over $60 for a regular ($200 for foils), currently $25 for regulars and mid $60s for ISD foils. RPTQ promo doesn't really count because of the extreme low volume and general dislike for the art. But even those have fallen from above $200 to ~$85. Tarn may not dip that low, but it's going to fall pretty hard due to lack of demand in Modern.
1) Snapcaster is a terrible comparison. Snap is barely played in Modern. Fetches are multiformat staples. I guarantee fetches will not follow Snapcasters trends.
2) You still dont understand the MTG market is not the same as true supply and demand. Price memory plays a huge part in prices. Wotc could add 10,000 fetches and its not going to effect the price that much. We are talking about a limited run Masters set that we have zero confirmation will be printed in greater numbers then in the past.
3) With multiformat staples, one format doesnt really dictate price. How much have Tarns dropped since Twin was banned? Also back to price memory.
Foil Tarns wont dip much and I doubt they go under $100, time will tell.
There seems to be much debate about the print run.
'My lgs says this'
Well, I know a distributor, and he says this'
Etc.
Regardless, people would be advised that the lack of 3 GP's opening packs means that there are a LOT more cases available to the public. Also means that supply will not reach the public as fast as it did in 2015.
There seems to be much debate about the print run.
'My lgs says this'
Well, I know a distributor, and he says this'
Etc.
Regardless, people would be advised that the lack of 3 GP's opening packs means that there are a LOT more cases available to the public. Also means that supply will not reach the public as fast as it did in 2015.
Every LGS owner I have talked to around me has said there is no signs of more product being produced. Yes those few cases that went to the GPs will be in circulation, but in the end there will be no more total product. This means some stores may get 1 more box, not case, in their allotment.
While that's true, the fact places as big as Starcity, which are known for being ripoffs, are having these cards preordered at a low price, that makes me think they know something a lot of people don't
1) Snapcaster is a terrible comparison. Snap is barely played in Modern. Fetches are multiformat staples. I guarantee fetches will not follow Snapcasters trends.
Snap might be closer than you think. I looked at all decks from last August to today on MTG Top 8, and looked for results in all reports (Professional, Major, Competitive, and Regular).
In Modern, there were 450 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 496 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in Modern, Snap is about 91% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
Across ALL formats, there were 1403 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 1714 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in all formats, Snap is about 85% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
So in the last six months, Snapcaster Mage is 85-91% as much of a staple as Scalding Tarn. I'd say that's pretty close. Plus, they both held relatively similar price trends for the past year (mostly flat, with slow downward trending).
2) You still dont understand the MTG market is not the same as true supply and demand. Price memory plays a huge part in prices. Wotc could add 10,000 fetches and its not going to effect the price that much. We are talking about a limited run Masters set that we have zero confirmation will be printed in greater numbers then in the past.
Price memory IS super important, and is why Scalding Tarn has held such a high price for so long this past year, despite 0 copies across all top Modern decks (the primary demand source). However, as soon as the reprint was announced, prices NOSE DIVED, dropping by a larger percentage in the past two weeks than it has in the past 14 months (since peak in January 2016).
3) With multiformat staples, one format doesnt really dictate price. How much have Tarns dropped since Twin was banned? Also back to price memory.
It depends. How many players are buying into Legacy? Or Vintage? I can't imagine people are buying into them in droves and driving up demand. If anything, the only other demand I could see is the wildly popular Commander, where one could easily and cheaply use off-color fetches, or simply use budget lands, since most Commander play is not cutthroat competitive. Modern is by far and away the largest source of demand for fetchlands and as mentioned before, Snap and Tarn had very similar price trends the past year (with the main difference being Snap took a steeper hit when MM17 was announced and everyone assumed Snap would be in it, and Tarn didn't drop until official announcement, where it was cut in half).
Foil Tarns wont dip much and I doubt they go under $100, time will tell.
We'll see. Foils across the board are down; it's just a matter of how far down they will go and where the floor is. I'm picking up a playset one way or another, so I am tracking prices every day.
1) Snapcaster is a terrible comparison. Snap is barely played in Modern. Fetches are multiformat staples. I guarantee fetches will not follow Snapcasters trends.
Snap might be closer than you think. I looked at all decks from last August to today on MTG Top 8, and looked for results in all reports (Professional, Major, Competitive, and Regular).
In Modern, there were 450 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 496 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in Modern, Snap is about 91% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
Across ALL formats, there were 1403 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 1714 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in all formats, Snap is about 85% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
So in the last six months, Snapcaster Mage is 85-91% as much of a staple as Scalding Tarn. I'd say that's pretty close. Plus, they both held relatively similar price trends for the past year (mostly flat, with slow downward trending).
2) You still dont understand the MTG market is not the same as true supply and demand. Price memory plays a huge part in prices. Wotc could add 10,000 fetches and its not going to effect the price that much. We are talking about a limited run Masters set that we have zero confirmation will be printed in greater numbers then in the past.
Price memory IS super important, and is why Scalding Tarn has held such a high price for so long this past year, despite 0 copies across all top Modern decks (the primary demand source). However, as soon as the reprint was announced, prices NOSE DIVED, dropping by a larger percentage in the past two weeks than it has in the past 14 months (since peak in January 2016).
3) With multiformat staples, one format doesnt really dictate price. How much have Tarns dropped since Twin was banned? Also back to price memory.
It depends. How many players are buying into Legacy? Or Vintage? I can't imagine people are buying into them in droves and driving up demand. If anything, the only other demand I could see is the wildly popular Commander, where one could easily and cheaply use off-color fetches, or simply use budget lands, since most Commander play is not cutthroat competitive. Modern is by far and away the largest source of demand for fetchlands and as mentioned before, Snap and Tarn had very similar price trends the past year (with the main difference being Snap took a steeper hit when MM17 was announced and everyone assumed Snap would be in it, and Tarn didn't drop until official announcement, where it was cut in half).
Foil Tarns wont dip much and I doubt they go under $100, time will tell.
We'll see. Foils across the board are down; it's just a matter of how far down they will go and where the floor is. I'm picking up a playset one way or another, so I am tracking prices every day.
Now we are comparing Gofys 3rd print run with Snapcasters 1st reprint. Not comparable at all.
Are there any cards in Modern, not reprinted, from the days when print runs were lower (ROE and earlier) that are under a dollar and see play? I know it's very specific, but it just seems like without reprints everything has gone way up (Bauble) and I don't want to have never heard of a card until the price hits orbit and want them. Bonus points if it does something unique
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I don't think it's print limited but I've kind of been waiting for orzhov charm to blow up. It can already reanimate DS at instant speed, I figure it's only a matter of time till more solid 1 drops are printed.
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I don't think it's print limited but I've kind of been waiting for orzhov charm to blow up. It can already reanimate DS at instant speed, I figure it's only a matter of time till more solid 1 drops are printed.
While I don't know about it blowing up in popularity, this looks like one of the perfect pieces for an Esper Delver build I have been working on, and recently thought of adding DS.... This is a really great card I totally forgot about. Time to buy foils for $1!
Are there any cards in Modern, not reprinted, from the days when print runs were lower (ROE and earlier) that are under a dollar and see play? I know it's very specific, but it just seems like without reprints everything has gone way up (Bauble) and I don't want to have never heard of a card until the price hits orbit and want them. Bonus points if it does something unique
This is great for finding that kind of information.
Don't look for prices to fall any time soon. Amonkhet is only a month away, and then the prices should start to slowly rise.
I replaced my Jund stuff with trades on mtgtraders and channelfireball
I started buying expedition foils last year and really regretted it, I sold them and am replacing them with the original fetchland foils, and Ravnica shockland foils. Waiting for store credit to go through, I'll officially have Jund and Junk's landbase foiled out except for Marsh Flats, which I'll pick up once they tank from Modern Masters.
Now modern unlike the Lord of the rings card game will not die anytime soon. Honestly this is one of the best possible investment opportunities I have seen I n a long time.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
Many youtubers have said many things. We'll know once the boxes are actually on the shelves... but even then, they could have a "mysterious" second print run like Eternal Masters and crash everything again. Wizards would be stupid not to up the print run; these will sell like crazy.
I actually quite like Expedition shocklands (because they go really well with BFZ full art foil basics), but haven't sprung for any of the fetches. All those foils are KTK or will be MM17. Hopefully the foiling process isn't as ugly and dull as MM15. Deltas look great. Tarns should look amazing.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
MM15 is a little ugly, I had foil Dark Confidants in M15 and was like, "what the hell did I do, I bought skrillex, not Bob"
Modern:
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Standard:
Counter-Cat
Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
1) Snapcaster is a terrible comparison. Snap is barely played in Modern. Fetches are multiformat staples. I guarantee fetches will not follow Snapcasters trends.
2) You still dont understand the MTG market is not the same as true supply and demand. Price memory plays a huge part in prices. Wotc could add 10,000 fetches and its not going to effect the price that much. We are talking about a limited run Masters set that we have zero confirmation will be printed in greater numbers then in the past.
3) With multiformat staples, one format doesnt really dictate price. How much have Tarns dropped since Twin was banned? Also back to price memory.
Foil Tarns wont dip much and I doubt they go under $100, time will tell.
'My lgs says this'
Well, I know a distributor, and he says this'
Etc.
Regardless, people would be advised that the lack of 3 GP's opening packs means that there are a LOT more cases available to the public. Also means that supply will not reach the public as fast as it did in 2015.
Every LGS owner I have talked to around me has said there is no signs of more product being produced. Yes those few cases that went to the GPs will be in circulation, but in the end there will be no more total product. This means some stores may get 1 more box, not case, in their allotment.
In Modern, there were 450 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 496 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in Modern, Snap is about 91% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
Across ALL formats, there were 1403 decks with Snapcaster Mage and 1714 decks with Scalding Tarn in that time. So in all formats, Snap is about 85% as prevalent as Scalding Tarn.
So in the last six months, Snapcaster Mage is 85-91% as much of a staple as Scalding Tarn. I'd say that's pretty close. Plus, they both held relatively similar price trends for the past year (mostly flat, with slow downward trending).
Price memory IS super important, and is why Scalding Tarn has held such a high price for so long this past year, despite 0 copies across all top Modern decks (the primary demand source). However, as soon as the reprint was announced, prices NOSE DIVED, dropping by a larger percentage in the past two weeks than it has in the past 14 months (since peak in January 2016).
It depends. How many players are buying into Legacy? Or Vintage? I can't imagine people are buying into them in droves and driving up demand. If anything, the only other demand I could see is the wildly popular Commander, where one could easily and cheaply use off-color fetches, or simply use budget lands, since most Commander play is not cutthroat competitive. Modern is by far and away the largest source of demand for fetchlands and as mentioned before, Snap and Tarn had very similar price trends the past year (with the main difference being Snap took a steeper hit when MM17 was announced and everyone assumed Snap would be in it, and Tarn didn't drop until official announcement, where it was cut in half).
We'll see. Foils across the board are down; it's just a matter of how far down they will go and where the floor is. I'm picking up a playset one way or another, so I am tracking prices every day.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Now we are comparing Gofys 3rd print run with Snapcasters 1st reprint. Not comparable at all.
Lets see what the prices look like in September.
The restock wasnt much. Most places didnt get a case. It was just a few boxes. Also It was for the holidays if I remember right.
That being said, it may be possible.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
While I don't know about it blowing up in popularity, this looks like one of the perfect pieces for an Esper Delver build I have been working on, and recently thought of adding DS.... This is a really great card I totally forgot about. Time to buy foils for $1!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
This is great for finding that kind of information.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.