Yeah, they problem is definitely your deck-building...GW is very strong here. You don't get to play all of the best cards in your pool: but you rarely will in sealed. Playing 3 colors is a seriously cost, and a consistent 2 color deck is usually going to perform better than an inconsistent 3 color deck with slightly higher card quality.
My GW build would look something like this (and it includes 5 removal spells)
edit - oops, didn't see that the post above included a very similar build. Still, it reinforces the strength of the color combo in that pool
I don't think blue is very good here, to be honest. You're basically all in on drawing Thunderclap Wyvern imo, the rest doesn't stand up particularly well.
Yup. That's a 5-removal spell pool. I dunno if I'd play the heartbeast with only 1 target, but other than that, yeah.
And as for spell mastery, in sealed you need to not worry about turning it on. Play cards where they are fine without mastery and a nice bonus with, and don't play cards that are bad without mastery or that are bad in every way but turning on mastery.
Dude, just play WG. You have good removal, big creatures, and a bunch of other good cards. You take WG and don't worry about the fact that you're not playing all your sick bombs. Your green is sweet, just do that.
Sealed pool This pool is either WG or WB. Any thoughts?
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Sealed pool This pool is either WG or WB. Any thoughts?
I'm not seeing nearly enough power in green personally to warrent it... so WB? Decent removal, enchantment synergy with Blightcaster and a flipwalker. For me Green here is just... eww. I almost never play Black but would definitely pick it over Green here.
Yup. That's a 5-removal spell pool. I dunno if I'd play the heartbeast with only 1 target, but other than that, yeah.
And as for spell mastery, in sealed you need to not worry about turning it on. Play cards where they are fine without mastery and a nice bonus with, and don't play cards that are bad without mastery or that are bad in every way but turning on mastery.
I like heartbeat is it gives you basically two copies of one of your best removal spells. Sealed is all about bombs and If I have to play a somewhat mediocre card to increase my chances of killing their bomb, I will.
Dude, just play WG. You have good removal, big creatures, and a bunch of other good cards. You take WG and don't worry about the fact that you're not playing all your sick bombs. Your green is sweet, just do that.
Sealed pool This pool is either WG or WB. Any thoughts?
I'd play something like this. I'm playing the Meteorite as psuedo removal, plus it fixes your mana which has a lot of WW and BB in it.
I'm not seeing nearly enough power in green personally to warrent it... so WB? Decent removal, enchantment synergy with Blightcaster and a flipwalker. For me Green here is just... eww. I almost never play Black but would definitely pick it over Green here.
What don't you like about green? It has 2 removal spells, 2 closers (spider and hydra), a couple of card draw possibilities..."ew" doesn't really give me much information...I'm pretty exicted to played all of the green spells in my build except maybe Orchard spirit, which is still a fine card.
edit - Oops, I didnt' see that you were talking about the second pool. I agree....green is pretty bad there.
I'm not seeing nearly enough power in green personally to warrent it... so WB? Decent removal, enchantment synergy with Blightcaster and a flipwalker. For me Green here is just... eww. I almost never play Black but would definitely pick it over Green here.
What don't you like about green? It has 2 removal spells, 2 closers (spider and hydra), a couple of card draw possibilities..."ew" doesn't really give me much information...I'm pretty exicted to played all of the green spells in my build except maybe Orchard spirit, which is still a fine card.
Sorry that's my bad,I was responding to Necarg's post. Edited my last post to make it clearer. I would definitely agree with you on the other pool.
Dude, just play WG. You have good removal, big creatures, and a bunch of other good cards. You take WG and don't worry about the fact that you're not playing all your sick bombs. Your green is sweet, just do that.
Sealed pool This pool is either WG or WB. Any thoughts?
Green seems pretty bad in that pool. I'm actually debating between BW and UB, and I'm leaning toward UB control, something like this:
With 2 Nantuko Husks and 3 Act of Treason in that pool, I would be very tempted to live the dream. Too bad there's no Enthralling Victor in the pool. You've also got a Dragon Fodder that synergizes well. Act of Treason into Fleshbag Marauder is slow, but it sure would be fun. More Dragon Fodders would be good. Hangarback Walker makes that fun as well. Even Consecrated by Blood works well there. All in all, I think R/B sac is almost there, but not quite.
GW and RW were the best decks at my midnight event.
I played GW went 3-1, got smashed by RW with 3 Charging Griffin and 2 Topan Freeblade and numerous great 2 drop aggro creatures and burn spells. My curve was just a little too high with many 3 and 4 drops and I just couldn't get on the board.
That freeblade is simply amazing, swing get a 3/3 blocker. What can you do?
Yeah, one of my major goals this prerelease is to find a build that can deal with opposing turn 2 freeblades on the play. I'm thinking that this is going to involve biting the bullet and running janky maritime guard if I have three or less 2 drops.
Yeah, one of my major goals this prerelease is to find a build that can deal with opposing turn 2 freeblades on the play. I'm thinking that this is going to involve biting the bullet and running janky maritime guard if I have three or less 2 drops.
I was very lucky to be able to slog through my first few rounds against slow green decks like mine with removal from Suppression Bonds and Wild Instincts but obviously 4 mana removal leaves you vulnerable to decks that go under it.
I made the best of a poor sealed pool and I'm fairly happy with my result.
Yeah, one of my major goals this prerelease is to find a build that can deal with opposing turn 2 freeblades on the play. I'm thinking that this is going to involve biting the bullet and running janky maritime guard if I have three or less 2 drops.
I've had a couple generated white pools with 4 or 5 freeblades. Yes please!
I would like some help deciding what color to play.
At first, I was going to choose white because it seems to have decent removal, and the best commons and uncommons overall. Then, I switched to Green because it seemed to be a good "support" color for 3 different archetypes I felt I would probably lean towards playing if possible, WG Renown, GB Elves, and GR ramp/big creatures. Also, on the off-chance I get a Nissa, I've essentially made my money back (or even a profit)> I also chose green because it would have creatures with reach, which could potentially block all those Thopter tokens I expect to be flying around.
However, after reading the review by LSV, and a few other posts about Green, I think it might be one of the weaker colors, and perhaps I should stick to White, or even Red for my seed.
Gideon has the same price. But really, you're probably going to enjoy limited more if you treat it as an experience and try not to worry about whether you "made your money back".
At sealed, you don't want to go for archetypes. Archetypes is largely a draft term. Sealed doesn't let you get redundancy in certain effects and let you make a coherent strategy. Some characteristics might show up, but they won't characterize your deck. You might run get 1 Leaf Gilder and 1 Dynwen's Elite, but you'll play them because they are good cards on their own, not because you've opened "the elf deck".
There's a some amount of consensus that White (maybe red) has the best apparent overall sealed power level. But I don't think anyone thinks any color is so bad it will be a nightmare to play, except maybe those pessimistic about Black. If Green is your favorite color, feel free to pick it and have a ball. There's a balance between picking a preferred strategy and winning at all costs. And Green definitely pairs fine with both white and red, while giving you the flexibility to pick whichever of those colors you open cards for in your 6.
Also, try not to get overly dismayed by green's more subdued limited design philosophy. By design, it never gets all star removal or all star fliers that are easy for set reviewers to point at and get excited about. But it generally turns out fine.
I would like some help deciding what color to play.
At first, I was going to choose white because it seems to have decent removal, and the best commons and uncommons overall. Then, I switched to Green because it seemed to be a good "support" color for 3 different archetypes I felt I would probably lean towards playing if possible, WG Renown, GB Elves, and GR ramp/big creatures. Also, on the off-chance I get a Nissa, I've essentially made my money back (or even a profit)> I also chose green because it would have creatures with reach, which could potentially block all those Thopter tokens I expect to be flying around.
However, after reading the review by LSV, and a few other posts about Green, I think it might be one of the weaker colors, and perhaps I should stick to White, or even Red for my seed.
What do you guys think?
I walked into my shop today to preregister for the midnight prerelease with intentions of picking Green for my seed.
Somehow by the time I walked out I had decided on white. Green does look strong to me though.
Gideon has the same price. But really, you're probably going to enjoy limited more if you treat it as an experience and try not to worry about whether you "made your money back".
mtggoldfish has Gideon as $10 cheaper than Nissa.
I don't collect paper cards anymore so was planning on flipping my cards immediately so that does influence my decision.
I didn't look that carefully. Within an order of magnitude, the same price. I doubt you have a buyer on location ready to buy your cards as you leave the store for 10$ more, but even if you do, I think someone who spends 25$ to play a fantasy card game for a day should worry about having fun rather than whether he was shrewd enough and got the $1.25 additional EV out of the event.
I finished my prerelease a few hours ago and white is definitely OP. Green Elf deck was really good. I will post more up when I finish my nap :). I played RW, I had a really poor pool compared to everyone else and went 2-2. The winner went 4-0 with UW. You can get planeswalkers in the seeded pack, I saw a girl get a liliana in hers.
Gideon has the same price. But really, you're probably going to enjoy limited more if you treat it as an experience and try not to worry about whether you "made your money back".
At sealed, you don't want to go for archetypes. Archetypes is largely a draft term. Sealed doesn't let you get redundancy in certain effects and let you make a coherent strategy. Some characteristics might show up, but they won't characterize your deck. You might run get 1 Leaf Gilder and 1 Dynwen's Elite, but you'll play them because they are good cards on their own, not because you've opened "the elf deck".
There's a some amount of consensus that White (maybe red) has the best apparent overall sealed power level. But I don't think anyone thinks any color is so bad it will be a nightmare to play, except maybe those pessimistic about Black. If Green is your favorite color, feel free to pick it and have a ball. There's a balance between picking a preferred strategy and winning at all costs. And Green definitely pairs fine with both white and red, while giving you the flexibility to pick whichever of those colors you open cards for in your 6.
Also, try not to get overly dismayed by green's more subdued limited design philosophy. By design, it never gets all star removal or all star fliers that are easy for set reviewers to point at and get excited about. But it generally turns out fine.
I'm not super-concerned about "getting my money back". I'm all about having fun, but I also want to build a good sealed pool and win some prizes too! I may not even open anything of Value, but I would love to get the most of my experience too. For me, one of the most exciting thing about pre-releases was the chance to win a box, or at least more than the average prize pool! Also, I feel like initial assumption that White seems to be the best in terms of sealed power was correct. I'll still be happy with whatever I choose, but if I can increase the odds of a better sealed pool, I would probably do that. Also, Nissa is signficantly more than any of the other Planeswalkers. She's about $25-$30, last I checked, while Gideon is $10-$15.
I wanted white but they were all gone by the time I got to choose. Picked red instead. I played a RW aggressive deck to a first place finish overall. No losses.
The biggest contributors were the first strike and double strike creatures. Any low cmc renown creature did work all day and I was impressed with Menace. A few "can't block" and "can't be blocked" effects really drove the wins home as opponents played a stabilizer creature and the damage just kept coming.
My promo was Goblin Piledriver, who did very little - although the fond memories of the card from many years ago started the day out right.
My GW build would look something like this (and it includes 5 removal spells)
edit - oops, didn't see that the post above included a very similar build. Still, it reinforces the strength of the color combo in that pool
Yup. That's a 5-removal spell pool. I dunno if I'd play the heartbeast with only 1 target, but other than that, yeah.
And as for spell mastery, in sealed you need to not worry about turning it on. Play cards where they are fine without mastery and a nice bonus with, and don't play cards that are bad without mastery or that are bad in every way but turning on mastery.
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Sealed pool This pool is either WG or WB. Any thoughts?
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I'm not seeing nearly enough power in green personally to warrent it... so WB? Decent removal, enchantment synergy with Blightcaster and a flipwalker. For me Green here is just... eww. I almost never play Black but would definitely pick it over Green here.
I like heartbeat is it gives you basically two copies of one of your best removal spells. Sealed is all about bombs and If I have to play a somewhat mediocre card to increase my chances of killing their bomb, I will.
I'd play something like this. I'm playing the Meteorite as psuedo removal, plus it fixes your mana which has a lot of WW and BB in it.
What don't you like about green? It has 2 removal spells, 2 closers (spider and hydra), a couple of card draw possibilities..."ew" doesn't really give me much information...I'm pretty exicted to played all of the green spells in my build except maybe Orchard spirit, which is still a fine card.
edit - Oops, I didnt' see that you were talking about the second pool. I agree....green is pretty bad there.
Sorry that's my bad,I was responding to Necarg's post. Edited my last post to make it clearer. I would definitely agree with you on the other pool.
Green seems pretty bad in that pool. I'm actually debating between BW and UB, and I'm leaning toward UB control, something like this:
I played GW went 3-1, got smashed by RW with 3 Charging Griffin and 2 Topan Freeblade and numerous great 2 drop aggro creatures and burn spells. My curve was just a little too high with many 3 and 4 drops and I just couldn't get on the board.
That freeblade is simply amazing, swing get a 3/3 blocker. What can you do?
just play guardians of meletis, it blocks everything
Orchard Spirit, Yeva's Forcemage
Llanowar Empath, Somberwald Alpha
Rhox Maulers, Hixus, Prison Warden (my best card)
Gaea's Revenge (only cast it once and was win more)
I only had 1 Dwynen's Elite and a Cleric of the Forward Order as my 2 drops. Well I did have a Consul's Lieutenant but it was a little difficult to cast on curve.
It seemed like everybody had Undercity Troll except me
I was very lucky to be able to slog through my first few rounds against slow green decks like mine with removal from Suppression Bonds and Wild Instincts but obviously 4 mana removal leaves you vulnerable to decks that go under it.
I made the best of a poor sealed pool and I'm fairly happy with my result.
Good luck to everybody. 2 drops are so important.
I've had a couple generated white pools with 4 or 5 freeblades. Yes please!
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I would like some help deciding what color to play.
At first, I was going to choose white because it seems to have decent removal, and the best commons and uncommons overall. Then, I switched to Green because it seemed to be a good "support" color for 3 different archetypes I felt I would probably lean towards playing if possible, WG Renown, GB Elves, and GR ramp/big creatures. Also, on the off-chance I get a Nissa, I've essentially made my money back (or even a profit)> I also chose green because it would have creatures with reach, which could potentially block all those Thopter tokens I expect to be flying around.
However, after reading the review by LSV, and a few other posts about Green, I think it might be one of the weaker colors, and perhaps I should stick to White, or even Red for my seed.
What do you guys think?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409478
At sealed, you don't want to go for archetypes. Archetypes is largely a draft term. Sealed doesn't let you get redundancy in certain effects and let you make a coherent strategy. Some characteristics might show up, but they won't characterize your deck. You might run get 1 Leaf Gilder and 1 Dynwen's Elite, but you'll play them because they are good cards on their own, not because you've opened "the elf deck".
There's a some amount of consensus that White (maybe red) has the best apparent overall sealed power level. But I don't think anyone thinks any color is so bad it will be a nightmare to play, except maybe those pessimistic about Black. If Green is your favorite color, feel free to pick it and have a ball. There's a balance between picking a preferred strategy and winning at all costs. And Green definitely pairs fine with both white and red, while giving you the flexibility to pick whichever of those colors you open cards for in your 6.
Also, try not to get overly dismayed by green's more subdued limited design philosophy. By design, it never gets all star removal or all star fliers that are easy for set reviewers to point at and get excited about. But it generally turns out fine.
I walked into my shop today to preregister for the midnight prerelease with intentions of picking Green for my seed.
Somehow by the time I walked out I had decided on white. Green does look strong to me though.
mtggoldfish has Gideon as $10 cheaper than Nissa.
I don't collect paper cards anymore so was planning on flipping my cards immediately so that does influence my decision.
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I'm not super-concerned about "getting my money back". I'm all about having fun, but I also want to build a good sealed pool and win some prizes too! I may not even open anything of Value, but I would love to get the most of my experience too. For me, one of the most exciting thing about pre-releases was the chance to win a box, or at least more than the average prize pool! Also, I feel like initial assumption that White seems to be the best in terms of sealed power was correct. I'll still be happy with whatever I choose, but if I can increase the odds of a better sealed pool, I would probably do that. Also, Nissa is signficantly more than any of the other Planeswalkers. She's about $25-$30, last I checked, while Gideon is $10-$15.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=409478
The biggest contributors were the first strike and double strike creatures. Any low cmc renown creature did work all day and I was impressed with Menace. A few "can't block" and "can't be blocked" effects really drove the wins home as opponents played a stabilizer creature and the damage just kept coming.
My promo was Goblin Piledriver, who did very little - although the fond memories of the card from many years ago started the day out right.
UBRGrixis Kiki Control
BGUSultai Shadow
GWRBushwhacker Zoo
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BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose
GWU Roon of the Hidden Realm