Can burn compete without Goblin Guides? I have basically everything else, including the more money cards. I'm pretty sure Swiftspear would be the next best creature? Or Bellstriker?
enchantress can be the cheapest deck in the room, teaches you upkeep triggers better than delver of secrets and is a hard deck to pilot which offers plenty of entertainment and non linear experiences. you can easily borrow cards from your friends because they are sitting in their binders unused in any other decks and it is extremely powerful. post board there isn't a deck you can't beat though it takes some time to get use to playing vs combo but not undoable.
When I find a Belcher list that is both budget ($250 or under) and reliable enough, I'll post it. I have not found one yet.
I've thought about modern before, but honestly I just don't know the format well enough right now. Maybe in the future, but at the moment I don't have the confidence yet.
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Hey Frossty. This is the budget Metalworker deck I wrote about a while back. Prices have changed since then, so I had to take it down. Still some decent stuff though.
I'm looking to get into legacy coming from a lot of modern experience, this list really looks like a lot of fun and I own most of these pieces from modern aside from the metalworkers. Is it decently competitive, or is it a deck that was mostly made to be budget friendly and playable?
Chaos Elves is still expensive for Cradles and multiple colors, but at least it dropped Natural Orders and is focused more on grinding than on comboing out. Just a note for potential updates.
- Rest in Peace (~$4)
- Energy Field (~$4)
- Web of Inertia (~$0.50)
Enlightened Tutors are around $10 to silver bullet the deck adding bullets like Seal of Cleansing (~$0.25) and a one of (expensive) finisher of Helm of Obedience (~$25/$30).
Can also go hate bear beatdowns is an alternative way to build, using enchantment or artifact creatures you can tutor. With land base of +4 Terramorphic Expanse +4 Evolving Wilds with a UWR color scheme to get Spirit of the Labyrinth (~$1), Phyrexian Revoker (~$1), Aegis of the Gods (~$1) Meddling Mage (~$8), Ethersworn Canonist (~$5), Magus of the Moon (~$25) in creature builds, but Blood Moon is roughly $35 as well if you went enlightened tutor and can one of a blood moon which ends up being more bang for the money.
Second Chance + Riptide Chimera + 5 or less life = infinite turns
Board: Riptide Chimera, Second Chance, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Beginning of your upkeep place the Second Chance trigger on the stack. Then place the Riptide Chimera trigger on the stack.
Board: Riptide Chimera, Second Chance, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Stack [top to bottom]: 1) Return an Enchantment to your hand. 2) Take an extra turn.
Resolve the Riptide Chimera ability, return Second Chance.
Board: Riptide Chimera, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Stack [top to bottom]: 1) Take an extra turn.
Resolve Second Chance's ability that is on the stack. Take an extra turn, since it is no longer on the board you do not have to sacrifice it (post-2010 ruling).
Board: Riptide Chimera, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Draw step, then Main phase use the mana to recast Second Chance. Repeat each upkeep for infinite turns. Win condition is attack each turn for 3 flying.
Glacial Chasm keeps you alive, while getting your life to <5. RIP/Energy Field/Web of Inertia keeps you alive. Blood Moon wins some matches.
This is not at all tuned and I think it probably needs more basic lands (you are mana hungry). It's a deck that can do some weird things though for around $120 (~$150 if you put a Helm of Obedience in it)
To up the powerlevel, you add 4 Chalice of the Void, but the card is now ~$40. This deck has god awful match ups (Elves, combo [why chalice is such a good, but expensive option]), and then blows up the fair decks. The most common thing opponents use their free green mana for are free Deathrite Shaman and Tarmogoyf, but you take advantage of the mana so much better (with the exception of the unbeatable elves). Guide is basically an upgraded Forest in this deck since if you flood you can just cast it as a creature or if you get Dazed, pay the Daze off.
Lines include:
T1: Vineyard
T2: Morphed Hydra, maybe another Vineyard
T3: 5 or 6 Mana available, flip option or huge creature to commit more to board.
T1: Vineyard
T2: Scavenging Ooze, activate or another Vineyard
T3: Jitte and Equip swing (this is basically the only way to beat elves then -1/-1 creatures, but it's still often not good enough)
T1: Spirit Guide + Forest = Chalice
T1: Vineyard, Spirit Guide, Vineyard (or Vineyard, next turn, forest + guide = Deus)
T2: Deus of Calamady
I am looking at going somewhere between the budget and upgraded version of the rogue deck listed under super budget (upgraded version without wasteland for now) my questing is what is a good sideboard. Some number I would imagine of pithing needle, grave hate, maybe hymn or duress in side.
Since at first blush the rogue deck looks similar to The Gate, I'd look in that deck-specific thread for sideboard ideas. Since sideboards are meant to tune your deck for specific matchups, your sideboard strategy depends on whether you're attacking a large event (GP, SCG Open/Classic, etc.) full of Tier 1 decks or a small group of similarly-minded players. It won't necessarily be great to tune your deck for Miracles and Eldrazi and D&T, then show up to a room full of casual tribal and wish you had Engineered Plagues.
Pauper: Burn
Modern: Burn
Legacy: Burn
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I'm looking to get into legacy coming from a lot of modern experience, this list really looks like a lot of fun and I own most of these pieces from modern aside from the metalworkers. Is it decently competitive, or is it a deck that was mostly made to be budget friendly and playable?
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2) Use the right number of each card.
3) Know your probabilities.
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Is a solid basis for a budget control deck.
- Rest in Peace (~$4)
- Energy Field (~$4)
- Web of Inertia (~$0.50)
Enlightened Tutors are around $10 to silver bullet the deck adding bullets like Seal of Cleansing (~$0.25) and a one of (expensive) finisher of Helm of Obedience (~$25/$30).
Can also go hate bear beatdowns is an alternative way to build, using enchantment or artifact creatures you can tutor. With land base of +4 Terramorphic Expanse +4 Evolving Wilds with a UWR color scheme to get Spirit of the Labyrinth (~$1), Phyrexian Revoker (~$1), Aegis of the Gods (~$1) Meddling Mage (~$8), Ethersworn Canonist (~$5), Magus of the Moon (~$25) in creature builds, but Blood Moon is roughly $35 as well if you went enlightened tutor and can one of a blood moon which ends up being more bang for the money.
4 Terramorphic Expanse ($0.25)
4 Evolving Wilds (people have these)
6 Island (people have these)
6 Plains (people have these)
1 Mountain (people have these)
3 Glacial Chasm ($1.25)
4 Rest in Peace (~$4)
1 Energy Field (~$4)
1 Web of Inertia (~$0.25)
1 Blood Moon (~$35)
4 Mystic Remora ($0.50)
3 Second Chance (~0.50)
4 Riptide Chimera (~$0.25)
Instant 14
4 Swords to Plowshares (~$2.50)
4 Enlightened Tutor (~$10)
2 Divert ($2)
4 Spell Pierce ($2)
Sorcery 4
4 Ponder ($1.50)
Board: Riptide Chimera, Second Chance, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Beginning of your upkeep place the Second Chance trigger on the stack. Then place the Riptide Chimera trigger on the stack.
Board: Riptide Chimera, Second Chance, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Stack [top to bottom]: 1) Return an Enchantment to your hand. 2) Take an extra turn.
Resolve the Riptide Chimera ability, return Second Chance.
Board: Riptide Chimera, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Stack [top to bottom]: 1) Take an extra turn.
Resolve Second Chance's ability that is on the stack. Take an extra turn, since it is no longer on the board you do not have to sacrifice it (post-2010 ruling).
Board: Riptide Chimera, the ability to produce at least 3 mana.
Draw step, then Main phase use the mana to recast Second Chance. Repeat each upkeep for infinite turns. Win condition is attack each turn for 3 flying.
This is not at all tuned and I think it probably needs more basic lands (you are mana hungry). It's a deck that can do some weird things though for around $120 (~$150 if you put a Helm of Obedience in it)
4 Eladamri's Vineyard (~$1)
4 Scavenging Ooze (~$7)
4 Hooded Hydra (~$2)
1 Thrun, the last Troll ($10)
4 Obstinate Baloth (~$5)
4 Wickerbough Elder ($0.25)
2 Thragtusk (~$4)
4 Deus of Calamity (~$1)
2 Umezawa's Jitte (~$20)
4 Elvish Spirit Guide (~$5)
19 Forests
Some Alt Options
1 Choke
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Stingerfling Spider
1 Centaur Vinecrasher
1 Any Garruk
1 Natural Order [+Progenitus]
To up the powerlevel, you add 4 Chalice of the Void, but the card is now ~$40. This deck has god awful match ups (Elves, combo [why chalice is such a good, but expensive option]), and then blows up the fair decks. The most common thing opponents use their free green mana for are free Deathrite Shaman and Tarmogoyf, but you take advantage of the mana so much better (with the exception of the unbeatable elves). Guide is basically an upgraded Forest in this deck since if you flood you can just cast it as a creature or if you get Dazed, pay the Daze off.
Lines include:
T1: Vineyard
T2: Morphed Hydra, maybe another Vineyard
T3: 5 or 6 Mana available, flip option or huge creature to commit more to board.
T1: Vineyard
T2: Scavenging Ooze, activate or another Vineyard
T3: Jitte and Equip swing (this is basically the only way to beat elves then -1/-1 creatures, but it's still often not good enough)
T1: Spirit Guide + Forest = Chalice
T1: Vineyard, Spirit Guide, Vineyard (or Vineyard, next turn, forest + guide = Deus)
T2: Deus of Calamady
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3 innocent blood
3 pithing needle
3 hymn to tourach
3 defence grid
3 planar void
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