MTG Salvation

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Affinity can be really difficult game one because shriekmaw doesn't do anything! Goblins can be a serious pain in the ass too if they get too many War Marshals and go Matron into Matron into Ringleader its just too much to handle! Vial or Lackey on the play is a rough ride.

This.

Played a game against a friend's Affinity the other day. The game went like:
Him: Land, Opal, Drum, Thopter, Frogmite, Plating
Me: Land, Inquisition killing Master of Etherium
Him: Ravager, equip plating, beat for 8
Me: (Shriekmaw in hand) FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

I die shortly after

Game two, he boards in Needle, GY hate, I don't stand a chance.

What can we do? I think we should just give up on this matchup. Affinity only pops up from time to time infrequently.

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the only card to watch out for is ravager and plating,

i really think that there are far more things to worry about in the current affinity builds than that, those were the caards to worry when in extended, disciple was banned and master of etherium and steel overseer didnt existed, nowadays there are a lot of threats there.

anyway ill try to elaborate in a buried alive-less version shortly.

cheers

What list are you running to do this, seriously? My friend IRL plays affinity and I assure you the game is by no means lost pre board, in fact I win most of my games vs. him pre board, the only card to watch out for is ravager and plating, as long as you don't overextend (I.E keep 1 more blocker than they have threats so they can't beat you down after a galvanic blast) you can EASILY out card advantage them.

I'm using your list except with therapies instead of duress! Yes Gatekeeper and Nighthawk win the game. However if I don't know what im playing against and keep a hand of TE, Krovikan Horror, shriekmaw, and only one Gatekeep its kind of hard! If there's a therapy in there then its good cuz i can bring the gatekeep back. I guess its not as bad as i thought even though our best creature is dead against them.

What about Grave Scrabbler? It's obviously terrible w/out TE, but with it it can give you some really crazy CA.

There's also Undertaker, which is essentially the Fauna Shaman for this deck.

What are you running now Pinguster? I've read this thread and TBH this deck has evolved quite a bit. I have the budget OG build and my meta consists of WB apathy (some:cool::cool::cool::cool:'d up version of mill), 2 land belcher, U/G madness and B/g pox. Was thinking about running your last posted aggro version but it kinda hurts losing G1 to belcher and apathy. Thoughts?

Thanks a bunch. I'll have to modernize my list quite a bit to get where you're running with it now. But ya the madness is a block constructed deck with mongrels and rootwallas and all sorts of yard goodness. I'm thinkin the Void should shut that up right quick. Congrats on top 4. Hope you take it.

I haven't had time to look at my own build yet-3 papers due on Tuesday- but I'm likely to be going heavier on the discard to make up for my absence of Bobs.

I like ss as the cost reduction and it can target multiple things. The drawback is that it won't hit a play-set of win like extraction will. But your build, your call.

just wondering instead of running nighthawk can't you run some old sucide black beaters that is like 2 mana for 4/4?

This is not an aggro deck. Why would we want to run Flesh Reaver?

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Yeah, we aren't really an aggro deck, also nighthawk flies, lifelinks and acts as a killspell. Basically every creature in the deck other than bob and hexmage is a killspell.

Hexmage kills PW's and Ravagers

Bob draws into kill spells

The other downside of Flesh Ravager is that if revealed with Bob, thats 2 life lost when you reveal him, then another 4 when he swings. Dammit I need some Bobs and Jittes. How about Nantuko Shade or is he a little too aggro? He's not a kill spell and does little but get pumped, there's no synergy with the rest of the deck but at the same time-he is a good beater.

I find this deck is land-light. The shade won't get as big as it would with traditional MBC + Cabal Coffers.

Do you mind posting a list of your matchups/results/sideboard choices/etc.?

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I just came first in the MTGS tournament by the way. Despite the fact I may or may not have avoided playing against vengevine survival or the fact I may or may not have got very lucky against landstill.

Make of this what you will.

Wow landstill is a terrible matchup

WAY TO GO!!! Finally we can get some REECESPEKT. Now all we (and by "we" I mean you.) is to kick some moar azz.

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Match 2 vs. Some guy with (he was a nice guy actually, one of the friendliest I played) Dark Horizons (can't really remember this, just know I won 2-1)
Game 1
I died to big creatures, I think bob was the culprit

Game 2
Sided in smothers for needles(?)
Killed stuff

Game 3
Killed stuff
That's all I can remember

That would have been me.
G1 I believe I curved out IoK (TE), Bob, Knight, Knight

I miss-sided, bringing in Leyline of the Void due to knowing your deck and playing a much more graveyard dependant version myself. In our three games, you didn't activate TE once. I believe that Hymns/Verdicts came out for 4 Leylines/2 Deeds

With only 8 effective critters to beat with and mulling for unneeded hate, this tipped rather out of my favor as the shear amount of removal here did me in as I'd taken most of my disruption out and just had to eat what was served up. G2/G3 I just never stuck enough threats to hide from Gatekeeper and Shriekmaw

I wonder if this will effect the prices of any of the cards? I doubt it:)

I'm hoping more that we get a bump to proven. Mods?

GOGGOOG PING

post your currently LIST PLZZZz

any plan on running a demonic tutor? instead of running 3 horrors

Have you ever considered Thoughtpicker witch? It acts in a way very similar to the Sliver, but it doesn't require you to discard any cards. Controlling the top 2 draws of your opponent is probably just as good as having them discard a card as you can give them force them to keep drawing into lands or a creature if you have good removal.

NOICE NOICE PING!!!!!

Are the reasons there are only 2 Factories:
A) Wasteland
B) The deck likes its black mana

I am wondering whether it is worth running Macabre over Leyline. Leyline does let me nuke their graves forever, but Macabre is recurrable and can pull tricks. (Leyline is down to like $1.5 anyways now because of the reprint so I'm probably gonna get a few playsets)

Memoricide > Cranial Extraction (just in case you run 4 Factories lol)

I think both the Witch and Sliver are a little sub-par for this deck. Once the game gets to the point where you've emptied their board and they are in topdeck mode, there are very little draws that most decks can pull which will put them back in the game. Plus, Jitte races them very quickly in that situation. Maybe if you run the Buried Alive package with one Sliver/Witch...

HOW DOES I BEATS THE LANDSTILL!!??

Yes Macabre is SO much better than leyline. Only thoughtsieze will rip it from your hand and you normally don't care if it in the yard anyways. There is so much void hate out there that a lot of 'yard players will MD it. Then there's the instant speed removal of targets like Loam, reanimation targets, dredge dudes, and the ever important Ill-gotten Gains target/s. Can also shrink goyf to laughable proportions.

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HOW DOES I BEATS THE LANDSTILL!!??

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Be pro like me.

^Sigged^

Against Landstill, why not board out the Gatekeepers and side in Okiba-Gang Shinobi? Or does the problem arise in that there are too few evasion creatures in the deck? I am amused by swinigng in with Hexmage, then after first strike damge being dealt (on the assumption its unblocked) ninjaing in for an extra three damage and the discard...

Huh? both have the same CMC? Apart from a slight difference in text (you don't have to take the entire playset with memoricide) I just prefer the art on extraction and own some.

Technically you don't have to take it with cranial extraction either. If you search their library and fail to find all cards with the named name, you don't have to take them all. The only real differences are art, legality, name, and the arcane type.