Looks pretty good. I wouldn't say you're missing anything really. If anything you might have TOO much going on. Some of the numbers seem low and to make up for them you would need to cut into other strategies the deck has going on.
Two Hymn might not be enough and you might be better served with 2 Cabal Therapy or 2 Thoughtseize. The amount of discard is kind of low too. Would you have more in the sideboard you think? Discard is a major way that I fight combo personally.
You might also consider more filtering effects. Just the lone Sylvan Library won't be enough and with so many different things going on in the deck along with Bob you will want ways to manipulate top deck.
The design you have is much more proactive with the inclusion of Tarmogoyfs, but I feel that the Stoneforges are counter to that strategy. I previously played with SFM and it often felt slow and cumbersome. Have you tried Green Sun Zenith at all? Having 6 to 7 chances of getting a turn 2 Goyf consistently is pretty awesome.
I would consider cutting SFM if you want to fill out the discard suite and add filtering. Otherwise I could maybe only cut Elspeth for a filter effect (Divining Top/Sylvan Library) and cutting 1 Goyf, 1 SFM for two more discard.
Looks pretty good. I wouldn't say you're missing anything really. If anything you might have TOO much going on. Some of the numbers seem low and to make up for them you would need to cut into other strategies the deck has going on.
Two Hymn might not be enough and you might be better served with 2 Cabal Therapy or 2 Thoughtseize. The amount of discard is kind of low too. Would you have more in the sideboard you think? Discard is a major way that I fight combo personally.
You might also consider more filtering effects. Just the lone Sylvan Library won't be enough and with so many different things going on in the deck along with Bob you will want ways to manipulate top deck.
The design you have is much more proactive with the inclusion of Tarmogoyfs, but I feel that the Stoneforges are counter to that strategy. I previously played with SFM and it often felt slow and cumbersome. Have you tried Green Sun Zenith at all? Having 6 to 7 chances of getting a turn 2 Goyf consistently is pretty awesome.
I would consider cutting SFM if you want to fill out the discard suite and add filtering. Otherwise I could maybe only cut Elspeth for a filter effect (Divining Top/Sylvan Library) and cutting 1 Goyf, 1 SFM for two more discard.
Yea I've been told by a few people adding a Top would be good for the deck.
AndI can bring elspeth in the board because against combo she is pretty much dead as I really just need DRS/discard against most combos, or abrupt decay.
I currently dont have any thoughtseizes. But for a bigger tournament im sure I could borrow some from someone in place of the 4th IoK and 3rd Hymn. This is what my board is looking like currently
I have dropped the Stoneforge Mystic package entirely in favor of using Green Sun's Zenith. This was because I really want the deck to press the pedal to the metal as well as give me a way to tutor out Gaddock Teeg when I bring him from the board.
Speaking of GSZ would I be able to get away with having 2 rather then 3?
In addition to dropping SFM I have also dropped Lingering Souls. I still really want to find a way to get them into the list because of the strength that they have vs so many opposing strategies (counter, discard, Planeswalkers, sacrifice effects.) So, I've been thinking of dropping one Liliana and a Ooze for two Lingering Souls. Which would also let me bring back in Cabal Therapy (-2 IoK and +2 Therapy.) A card I rather enjoy.
Would those be good swaps in peoples mind? Is 3 Liliana too much anyways?
Thanks for any feedback, thoughts, or comments.
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I have dropped the Stoneforge Mystic package entirely in favor of using Green Sun's Zenith. This was because I really want the deck to press the pedal to the metal as well as give me a way to tutor out Gaddock Teeg when I bring him from the board.
Speaking of GSZ would I be able to get away with having 2 rather then 3?
In addition to dropping SFM I have also dropped Lingering Souls. I still really want to find a way to get them into the list because of the strength that they have vs so many opposing strategies (counter, discard, Planeswalkers, sacrifice effects.) So, I've been thinking of dropping one Liliana and a Ooze for two Lingering Souls. Which would also let me bring back in Cabal Therapy (-2 IoK and +2 Therapy.) A card I rather enjoy.
Would those be good swaps in peoples mind? Is 3 Liliana too much anyways?
Thanks for any feedback, thoughts, or comments.
A few things that caught my eye
1. Mainboard you dont have many green sun zenith targets, there is no mainboard toolbox. Seems kinda lackluster game one.
2. 2 Tarmogoyf seems odd. He has really been a 4 or none type of creature for me. and with GSZ you can cut the 2 goyfs and 1 ooze in place of 3 more silver bullets and take a more rock/maverick direction. Which might be where we want to be but not 100% sure on that.
3. Is there a reason why only 3 wasteland? Really want to be having 4 especially with KotR and why no horizon canopy? or a 4th KotR
3 GSZ and 4-5 silver bullets. Only thing about taking out stone forge is that the card can win games on its on sometimes and thats a pretty powerful effect idk if we really want to give up.
A few things that caught my eye
1. Mainboard you dont have many green sun zenith targets, there is no mainboard toolbox. Seems kinda lackluster game one.
I suppose a big part of running GSZ was to help with general consistency of pulling out threats. In terms of a tool box I'm thinking I might want to drop a Thalia out of the sideboard and bring in a Pridemage. But like you said Game 1 it would be pretty lackluster.
2. 2 Tarmogoyf seems odd. He has really been a 4 or none type of creature for me. and with GSZ you can cut the 2 goyfs and 1 ooze in place of 3 more silver bullets and take a more rock/maverick direction. Which might be where we want to be but not 100% sure on that.
I'm not 100% on that either. I would rather just jam with Stoneforge Mystic again then run the silver bullet plan. Although the idea of Dark Maverick doesn't sound THAT bad.
Also ideally I would have a third Goyf and run a 3/1 split with Ooze, but alas I only have the 2 Goyfs.
3. Is there a reason why only 3 wasteland? Really want to be having 4 especially with KotR and why no horizon canopy? or a 4th KotR
Adding in the Dryad Arbor pushed a Wasteland out for me. I didn't want to cut any basics, fetches, duals, Karakas, or Maze. So a Waste got the axe.
Again just lands space tighten up too much to include Canopy. I have also been pretty underwhelmed by Canopy when I played with it. It hurts too much when I have it in a starting grip. Compared to you list I pretty much have Maze over Canopy.
No fourth Knight is a product of having the 3 Green Sun's Zenith.
3 GSZ and 4-5 silver bullets. Only thing about taking out stone forge is that the card can win games on its on sometimes and thats a pretty powerful effect idk if we really want to give up.
Yes, it is pretty powerful. I really have been a bit apprehensive about cutting her. I would say I have a cycle of every two weeks I decide I like her more than GSZ and will swap them out.
Alright thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'm thinking that I will cut one Ooze in favor of one more Knight. I will stick it out with the GSZ plan for now and see how it goes. Also, I'm a greedy man. I will drop the Plains for the 4th Wasteland.
Who knows though I might just cut
-3 GSZ -1 Liliana -1 Ooze
and add
+2 SFM +1 Batterskull +1 Jitte +1 Knight
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I suppose a big part of running GSZ was to help with general consistency of pulling out threats. In terms of a tool box I'm thinking I might want to drop a Thalia out of the sideboard and bring in a Pridemage. But like you said Game 1 it would be pretty lackluster.
I'm not 100% on that either. I would rather just jam with Stoneforge Mystic again then run the silver bullet plan. Although the idea of Dark Maverick doesn't sound THAT bad.
Also ideally I would have a third Goyf and run a 3/1 split with Ooze, but alas I only have the 2 Goyfs.
Adding in the Dryad Arbor pushed a Wasteland out for me. I didn't want to cut any basics, fetches, duals, Karakas, or Maze. So a Waste got the axe.
Again just lands space tighten up too much to include Canopy. I have also been pretty underwhelmed by Canopy when I played with it. It hurts too much when I have it in a starting grip. Compared to you list I pretty much have Maze over Canopy.
No fourth Knight is a product of having the 3 Green Sun's Zenith.
Yes, it is pretty powerful. I really have been a bit apprehensive about cutting her. I would say I have a cycle of every two weeks I decide I like her more than GSZ and will swap them out.
Alright thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'm thinking that I will cut one Ooze in favor of one more Knight. I will stick it out with the GSZ plan for now and see how it goes. Also, I'm a greedy man. I will drop the Plains for the 4th Wasteland.
Who knows though I might just cut
-3 GSZ -1 Liliana -1 Ooze
and add
+2 SFM +1 Batterskull +1 Jitte +1 Knight
Yea I probably need to add a maze to my deck, its so good against so many things. And I also need to add basics to my deck. I am a truly greedy man. Ima post my new decklist during my lunchbreak and let me know what you think.
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3 Liliana of the veil
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or just cut hymn to tourach and add Inquisition of kozilek, hymns are just dead cards at mid to late game.
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Preparing for a BUG meta and the variants here and i just thought. "Bring it ON" attitude aint getting me nowhere.
this list however looks promising, and was promising based on my testplays. I just pray to the almighty to not let me mull to 5 again and again and again like what i got last tourney.
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Preparing for a BUG meta and the variants here and i just thought. "Bring it ON" attitude aint getting me nowhere.
this list however looks promising, and was promising based on my testplays. I just pray to the almighty to not let me mull to 5 again and again and again like what i got last tourney.
I would likely cut a stoneforge for ether a DRS or a vindicate. Im a big fan of both and sometimes DRS is the only way you can win against certain decks.
right, but as a whole, SFM is a win condition that even if it dies, it already have done what you need, inlike DRS, it needs to survive, so 3 is enough for the late game. Vindicate is slow, and i find maelstrom pulse to be a meta call because of the number of tokens you need to destroy.
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This is pretty close to a Dark Maverick list rather then a regular old Rock list (which is part of the reason you didn't get much advice I suspect)
The Rock/Junk typically plays LOTS of answers and you don't really have many. No Abrupt Decay in the 60 seems off to me let alone the 75. Every GWB lists I have seen has at least two usually.
You have an extra Forest listed. Is that just extra? If not I would drop it. I would also drop the Tower for a third Wasteland. Wasteland can just give you free wins at times with greedy keeps from an opponent. Horizon could maybe be a Wasteland instead as well to get up to four, but Horizon does have its merits. Fetching out Wasteland with Knight just slams the door shut.
Although debated and can go either way. I don't like running Stoneforge in a deck with GSZ. Especially without Fauna Shaman. I might consider cutting the Batterskull for a second Jitte and cutting one Stoneforge.
4 Inquisition should probably have a 2/2 split with Thoughtseize as well, but I would wait until Theros if you don't have any
Why only 3 Bobs? From the standpoint of The Rock you want as much card advantage as possible since we play a pretty aggro oriented style.
Your sideboard seems solid to me.
I'm working on a Rock deck which is built to fight aggro/tempo decks. Tribal decks mostly. 'folks, goblins, birds, and so on. Which cards do you all think fit perfectly?
Tribal though you say? Well first and for most Abrupt Decay is awesome since tempo decks can't stop it usually barring any special tech like bounce or pro color. Swords to Plowshares is ubiquitous for a reason. Tarmogoyf and Knight usually can trump some of the big guys they have and stone wall them. Engineered Plague is the first answer that comes to mind off the top of my head from the sideboard. I keep a Maelstrom Pulse in my sideboard which would come in against tribal. Also Pernicious Deed can help in a pinch when you are behind on the board. Like a lot. Deed destroys most fair decks actually. I enjoy setting it at two and leaving myself with a BIG old Knight of the Reliquary.
Hope that helps.
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It's pretty standard, I think... I played the Gate for awhile, and then Loam Pox briefly, and now I want to try this deck. It seems to have a decent game against a variety of decks. I've only played it once so far in a small tournament, beating dredge one round, bant the next, and then losing to dredge in the third round. I'd really like to fit another STP in the main, it seems wrong to play less than 4. 3 lilys seems like a lot, I don't feel like this deck really breaks her symmetry enough, meaning I often dislike discarding to her as much as my opponent... I might take the top out for another sylvan library, I like the library a lot more.
Sideboard is pretty random, I was thinking of trying an enlightened tutor package for more versatility, anybody have any ideas for that?
Also... I've looked at a lot of stoneblade lists, but haven't played with one very much so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why would you ever want to fetch a jitte instead of a batterskull? Just for getting rid of some pesky x/2s?
Jitte is the equipment to fetch when the removal effect can take over the game. Goblins, for instance, rolls over to an active Jitte. The 4/4 vigilant lifelinker is fine, but could very well end up dying to the Goblin that kills artifacts or even getting burned away by an Incinerator. OTOH, a Jitte piled with counters will get to remove those counters with any 'destroy' effect still on the stack. It will 2-for-1 even if it gets answered.
Other decks can easily deal with the Batterskull, like Death and Taxes. Most of those run 3 Mirran Crusader MD, and those kill the equipped token easily. Mother of Runes can deal with it effectively too, but put a Jitte counter on Mom and she croaks. Jitte kills pretty much that whole deck if it's active.
Jitte also works well against Merfolk, Young Pyromancer, opposing Stoneforge Mystics, a whole bunch of stuff, and seals the deal against Elves.
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Just realized asking why Jitte is good is probably trolling the thread [facepalm]
Jitte is the equipment to fetch when the removal effect can take over the game. Goblins, for instance, rolls over to an active Jitte. The 4/4 vigilant lifelinker is fine, but could very well end up dying to the Goblin that kills artifacts or even getting burned away by an Incinerator. OTOH, a Jitte piled with counters will get to remove those counters with any 'destroy' effect still on the stack. It will 2-for-1 even if it gets answered.
Other decks can easily deal with the Batterskull, like Death and Taxes. Most of those run 3 Mirran Crusader MD, and those kill the equipped token easily. Mother of Runes can deal with it effectively too, but put a Jitte counter on Mom and she croaks. Jitte kills pretty much that whole deck if it's active.
Jitte also works well against Merfolk, Young Pyromancer, opposing Stoneforge Mystics, a whole bunch of stuff, and seals the deal against Elves.
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Just realized asking why Jitte is good is probably trolling the thread [facepalm]
Haha, I didn't mean to troll... I used the jitte to great effect in the gate, but I would lose to many a batterskull, I'm probably overcompensating by grabbing it more than I should now. Batterskull does come with its own body though, and I'm pretty light on decent jitte targets. I could see why LS would be good here... It looks like some people are ditching hymn for more targeted discard, is there a reason for that?
Also wondering about my manabase... How risky is it to not play a basic plains? I have 2 swamp and an urborg, and I'm thinking of switching one for a plains. The deck is pretty heavy black, but I'd hate to be cut off of white!
Yeah, I think cutting the Urborg for a basic plains is a good idea, or at any rate finding room for that basic plains in there somewhere. Many of the decks you'd want Batterskull against have a lot of land destruction, like RUG and Merfolk; and even in more mundane situations, getting the lifegain turned on quickly helps out with the Dark Confidant and Sylvan Library drawing.
I don't think Pernicious Deed works well in this kind of deck. Keeping the curve down to maximize the Dark Confidant advantage only makes it easier to get all of one's entire board wiped with a Deed.
Yeah, I think cutting the Urborg for a basic plains is a good idea, or at any rate finding room for that basic plains in there somewhere. Many of the decks you'd want Batterskull against have a lot of land destruction, like RUG and Merfolk; and even in more mundane situations, getting the lifegain turned on quickly helps out with the Dark Confidant and Sylvan Library drawing.
I don't think Pernicious Deed works well in this kind of deck. Keeping the curve down to maximize the Dark Confidant advantage only makes it easier to get all of one's entire board wiped with a Deed.
Yeah, good call on deed... I always try to force it in, it's a pet card. I might try timely reinforcements instead, I've always wanted to try it against aggro or burn.
What about some Nature's Claim or Golgari Charm action? Plan A against combo seems to be discard spells, and plenty of combo players pack Leyline of Sanctity. The deck looks a bit cold to a reasonably quick combo deck packing that card, Show and Tell decks in particular. Teeg won't stop it and Maelstrom Pulse (if you can find it) is very slow for that application.
As you're using white, and even adding a plains, why not an Enlightened Tutor sideboard? Something like this.
Timely Reinforcements is a cool card and I've always wanted it to work, but personally I always seem to wind up with the E-tutors. This suggestion isn't flawless by any means, it's not like I made a spreadsheet for it. (I can barely be bothered to do that for my own decks!) But I don't think it's completely cold to anything. I mean, with three colors at your disposal (one of them a offering a totally playable tutor!!!!!), go nuts.
Just make sure that you can take care of blue decks and Jace, which compete for this space of the metagame.
What about some Nature's Claim or Golgari Charm action? Plan A against combo seems to be discard spells, and plenty of combo players pack Leyline of Sanctity. The deck looks a bit cold to a reasonably quick combo deck packing that card, Show and Tell decks in particular. Teeg won't stop it and Maelstrom Pulse (if you can find it) is very slow for that application.
As you're using white, and even adding a plains, why not an Enlightened Tutor sideboard? Something like this.
Timely Reinforcements is a cool card and I've always wanted it to work, but personally I always seem to wind up with the E-tutors. This suggestion isn't flawless by any means, it's not like I made a spreadsheet for it. (I can barely be bothered to do that for my own decks!) But I don't think it's completely cold to anything. I mean, with three colors at your disposal (one of them a offering a totally playable tutor!!!!!), go nuts.
Just make sure that you can take care of blue decks and Jace, which compete for this space of the metagame.
When I played bant the other day, I killed 4 jaces with combat damage in a really grindy game... He topdecked 3 in a row, unreal. It was a good test. That sb is like a swiss army knife! I like it, I'll give it a try.
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4 Tarmogoyf
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Hymn to Torach
2 Lilliana of the Veil
3 Inquistion of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
2 Lingering Souls
1 Slyvan Library
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
2 Windswept Heath
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Krakas
1 Horizon Canopy
Anything im obviously missing? And what are some primo sideboard cards for this deck?
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Looks pretty good. I wouldn't say you're missing anything really. If anything you might have TOO much going on. Some of the numbers seem low and to make up for them you would need to cut into other strategies the deck has going on.
Two Hymn might not be enough and you might be better served with 2 Cabal Therapy or 2 Thoughtseize. The amount of discard is kind of low too. Would you have more in the sideboard you think? Discard is a major way that I fight combo personally.
You might also consider more filtering effects. Just the lone Sylvan Library won't be enough and with so many different things going on in the deck along with Bob you will want ways to manipulate top deck.
The design you have is much more proactive with the inclusion of Tarmogoyfs, but I feel that the Stoneforges are counter to that strategy. I previously played with SFM and it often felt slow and cumbersome. Have you tried Green Sun Zenith at all? Having 6 to 7 chances of getting a turn 2 Goyf consistently is pretty awesome.
I would consider cutting SFM if you want to fill out the discard suite and add filtering. Otherwise I could maybe only cut Elspeth for a filter effect (Divining Top/Sylvan Library) and cutting 1 Goyf, 1 SFM for two more discard.
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Yea I've been told by a few people adding a Top would be good for the deck.
AndI can bring elspeth in the board because against combo she is pretty much dead as I really just need DRS/discard against most combos, or abrupt decay.
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Hymn to Torach
2 Lilliana of the Veil
4 Inquistion of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sense's Diving Top
2 Lingering Souls
1 Slyvan Library
4 Savannah
3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
2 Windswept Heath
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Krakas
1 Horizon Canopy
I currently dont have any thoughtseizes. But for a bigger tournament im sure I could borrow some from someone in place of the 4th IoK and 3rd Hymn. This is what my board is looking like currently
1 scooze
2 engineered plague
3 o-rings
1 abrupt decay
1 duress
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 krosan grip
Thats what my board would look like afterwards.
Previously it was
+1 duress
-1 Elspeth
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1 Dryad Arbor
3 Bayou
3 Scrubland
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Maze of Ith
1 Karakas
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Plains
3 Wasteland
Creatures x15 (16 with Dryad Arbor!)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
2 Tarmogoyf
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Green Sun Zenith
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Sylvan Library
1 Sensi's Divining Top
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Tower of the Magistrate
3 Extirpate
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Golgari Charm
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Maelstrom Pulse
I have dropped the Stoneforge Mystic package entirely in favor of using Green Sun's Zenith. This was because I really want the deck to press the pedal to the metal as well as give me a way to tutor out Gaddock Teeg when I bring him from the board.
Speaking of GSZ would I be able to get away with having 2 rather then 3?
In addition to dropping SFM I have also dropped Lingering Souls. I still really want to find a way to get them into the list because of the strength that they have vs so many opposing strategies (counter, discard, Planeswalkers, sacrifice effects.) So, I've been thinking of dropping one Liliana and a Ooze for two Lingering Souls. Which would also let me bring back in Cabal Therapy (-2 IoK and +2 Therapy.) A card I rather enjoy.
Would those be good swaps in peoples mind? Is 3 Liliana too much anyways?
Thanks for any feedback, thoughts, or comments.
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A few things that caught my eye
1. Mainboard you dont have many green sun zenith targets, there is no mainboard toolbox. Seems kinda lackluster game one.
2. 2 Tarmogoyf seems odd. He has really been a 4 or none type of creature for me. and with GSZ you can cut the 2 goyfs and 1 ooze in place of 3 more silver bullets and take a more rock/maverick direction. Which might be where we want to be but not 100% sure on that.
3. Is there a reason why only 3 wasteland? Really want to be having 4 especially with KotR and why no horizon canopy? or a 4th KotR
I also like the thought that I said in number 2.
Could go with a core creature base of
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 GSZ and 4-5 silver bullets. Only thing about taking out stone forge is that the card can win games on its on sometimes and thats a pretty powerful effect idk if we really want to give up.
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I suppose a big part of running GSZ was to help with general consistency of pulling out threats. In terms of a tool box I'm thinking I might want to drop a Thalia out of the sideboard and bring in a Pridemage. But like you said Game 1 it would be pretty lackluster.
I'm not 100% on that either. I would rather just jam with Stoneforge Mystic again then run the silver bullet plan. Although the idea of Dark Maverick doesn't sound THAT bad.
Also ideally I would have a third Goyf and run a 3/1 split with Ooze, but alas I only have the 2 Goyfs.
Adding in the Dryad Arbor pushed a Wasteland out for me. I didn't want to cut any basics, fetches, duals, Karakas, or Maze. So a Waste got the axe.
Again just lands space tighten up too much to include Canopy. I have also been pretty underwhelmed by Canopy when I played with it. It hurts too much when I have it in a starting grip. Compared to you list I pretty much have Maze over Canopy.
No fourth Knight is a product of having the 3 Green Sun's Zenith.
Yes, it is pretty powerful. I really have been a bit apprehensive about cutting her. I would say I have a cycle of every two weeks I decide I like her more than GSZ and will swap them out.
Alright thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'm thinking that I will cut one Ooze in favor of one more Knight. I will stick it out with the GSZ plan for now and see how it goes. Also, I'm a greedy man. I will drop the Plains for the 4th Wasteland.
Who knows though I might just cut
-3 GSZ -1 Liliana -1 Ooze
and add
+2 SFM +1 Batterskull +1 Jitte +1 Knight
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Yea I probably need to add a maze to my deck, its so good against so many things. And I also need to add basics to my deck. I am a truly greedy man. Ima post my new decklist during my lunchbreak and let me know what you think.
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
1 Krakas
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Savannah
3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
1 Sylvan Library
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Lingering Souls
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Thoughtseize
1 Vindicate
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Dark Confidant
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Engineered Plague
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Gaddog Teeg
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Krosan Grip
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Abrupt Decay
My current decklist. When I get a chance these will be my changes
-1 Horizon Canopy
-1 Savannah
-1 Bayou
+1 Forest
+1 Swamp
+1 Maze of Ith
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
What would you cut? the 3rd hymn?
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
3 Liliana of the veil
3 Thoughtseize
1 Hymn to tourach
or just cut hymn to tourach and add Inquisition of kozilek, hymns are just dead cards at mid to late game.
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
I could see this, especially since im not running the mox diamond version. That actually feels a lot better.
thanks.
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
3 Deathrite shaman
3 Knight of the reliquary
3 stoneforge mystic
1 Scavenging ooze
1 Scryb ranger
1 Birds of paradise
2 Tidehollow sculler
3 Thoughtseize
1 hymn to tourach
1 maelstrom pulse
3 Abrupt decay
4 Swords to plowshares
3 Liliana of the veil
1 Umezawa's jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sylvan library
1 Green sun's zenith
1 Dryad arbor
2 Scrubland
1 savannah
3 Bayou
3 Verdant catacombs
3 Marsh flats
4 Wasteland
2 Swamp
1 plains
1 Forest
1 Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
Preparing for a BUG meta and the variants here and i just thought. "Bring it ON" attitude aint getting me nowhere.
this list however looks promising, and was promising based on my testplays. I just pray to the almighty to not let me mull to 5 again and again and again like what i got last tourney.
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
I would likely cut a stoneforge for ether a DRS or a vindicate. Im a big fan of both and sometimes DRS is the only way you can win against certain decks.
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Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
Vindicate is slow, and i find maelstrom pulse to be a meta call because of the number of tokens you need to destroy.
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
3 Hymn to tourach
3 Liliana of the veil
2 Tidehollow sculler
4 Dark confidant
4 Deathrite shaman
3 Stoneforge mystic
3 Knight of the reliquary
1 Scavenging ooze
4 Swords to plowshares
3 Abrupt decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Sensei's divining top
1 Sylvan library
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's jitte
3 Marsh Flats
1 Bloodstained mire
3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
EDH - UWGrand Arbiter Agustin IV
UBW Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Modern - Mono U tron / Polymorph / NFTW (ninja for the win)GR tron GR
Buy All the Dual Lands!!!
Buy All the fetches!
Create tons of EDH Decks!!!
Eat Nothing but Oats!! (LOL, not true)
Train MMA!!!
Marry My girlfriend!!!
Get her Pregnant only Once!
Teach my Son/Daughter Sports and magic cards!!!
Continue my legacy son!!!/Daughter!!
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Dryad Arbor
Spells / Artifacts:
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Slyvan Library
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
3 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Karakas
1 Tower of the Magistrate
1 Scrubland
1 Forest
1 Maze of ith
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Enlightened Tutor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Rest in Peace
2 Choke
1 Relic of Proginetius
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
This is pretty close to a Dark Maverick list rather then a regular old Rock list (which is part of the reason you didn't get much advice I suspect)
The Rock/Junk typically plays LOTS of answers and you don't really have many. No Abrupt Decay in the 60 seems off to me let alone the 75. Every GWB lists I have seen has at least two usually.
You have an extra Forest listed. Is that just extra? If not I would drop it. I would also drop the Tower for a third Wasteland. Wasteland can just give you free wins at times with greedy keeps from an opponent. Horizon could maybe be a Wasteland instead as well to get up to four, but Horizon does have its merits. Fetching out Wasteland with Knight just slams the door shut.
Although debated and can go either way. I don't like running Stoneforge in a deck with GSZ. Especially without Fauna Shaman. I might consider cutting the Batterskull for a second Jitte and cutting one Stoneforge.
4 Inquisition should probably have a 2/2 split with Thoughtseize as well, but I would wait until Theros if you don't have any
Why only 3 Bobs? From the standpoint of The Rock you want as much card advantage as possible since we play a pretty aggro oriented style.
Your sideboard seems solid to me.
Tribal though you say? Well first and for most Abrupt Decay is awesome since tempo decks can't stop it usually barring any special tech like bounce or pro color. Swords to Plowshares is ubiquitous for a reason. Tarmogoyf and Knight usually can trump some of the big guys they have and stone wall them. Engineered Plague is the first answer that comes to mind off the top of my head from the sideboard. I keep a Maelstrom Pulse in my sideboard which would come in against tribal. Also Pernicious Deed can help in a pinch when you are behind on the board. Like a lot. Deed destroys most fair decks actually. I enjoy setting it at two and leaving myself with a BIG old Knight of the Reliquary.
Hope that helps.
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4 deathrite shaman
3 stoneforge mystic
4 dark confidant
3 knight of the reliquary
1 scavenging ooze
4 thoughtsieze
3 hymn to tourach
1 green suns zenith
1 maelstrom pulse
3 abrupt decay
3 swords to plowshares
3 liliana of the veil
1 sylvan library
1 batterskull
1 jitte
1 sensei's divining top
3 wasteland
4 verdant catacomb
2 marsh flats
2 windsweapt heath
4 bayou
1 scrubland
1 savannah
2 swamp
1 forest
1 karakas
1 maze of ith
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
SB
4 extirpate
3 pernicious deed
2 pithing needle
2 gaddock teeg
1 green sun zenith
1 life from the loam
1 maelstrom pulse
1 tabernacle at pendral vale
It's pretty standard, I think... I played the Gate for awhile, and then Loam Pox briefly, and now I want to try this deck. It seems to have a decent game against a variety of decks. I've only played it once so far in a small tournament, beating dredge one round, bant the next, and then losing to dredge in the third round. I'd really like to fit another STP in the main, it seems wrong to play less than 4. 3 lilys seems like a lot, I don't feel like this deck really breaks her symmetry enough, meaning I often dislike discarding to her as much as my opponent... I might take the top out for another sylvan library, I like the library a lot more.
Sideboard is pretty random, I was thinking of trying an enlightened tutor package for more versatility, anybody have any ideas for that?
Also... I've looked at a lot of stoneblade lists, but haven't played with one very much so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why would you ever want to fetch a jitte instead of a batterskull? Just for getting rid of some pesky x/2s?
Other decks can easily deal with the Batterskull, like Death and Taxes. Most of those run 3 Mirran Crusader MD, and those kill the equipped token easily. Mother of Runes can deal with it effectively too, but put a Jitte counter on Mom and she croaks. Jitte kills pretty much that whole deck if it's active.
Jitte also works well against Merfolk, Young Pyromancer, opposing Stoneforge Mystics, a whole bunch of stuff, and seals the deal against Elves.
...
Just realized asking why Jitte is good is probably trolling the thread [facepalm]
Overall record: 139-98-15
Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
Haha, I didn't mean to troll... I used the jitte to great effect in the gate, but I would lose to many a batterskull, I'm probably overcompensating by grabbing it more than I should now. Batterskull does come with its own body though, and I'm pretty light on decent jitte targets. I could see why LS would be good here... It looks like some people are ditching hymn for more targeted discard, is there a reason for that?
Also wondering about my manabase... How risky is it to not play a basic plains? I have 2 swamp and an urborg, and I'm thinking of switching one for a plains. The deck is pretty heavy black, but I'd hate to be cut off of white!
I don't think Pernicious Deed works well in this kind of deck. Keeping the curve down to maximize the Dark Confidant advantage only makes it easier to get all of one's entire board wiped with a Deed.
Overall record: 139-98-15
Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
Yeah, good call on deed... I always try to force it in, it's a pet card. I might try timely reinforcements instead, I've always wanted to try it against aggro or burn.
As you're using white, and even adding a plains, why not an Enlightened Tutor sideboard? Something like this.
1 Life from the Loam
2 Golgari Charm
3 Enlightened Tutor
1 Choke
1 Engineered Plague
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
1 Manriki-Gusari
1 Circle of Protection: Red
1 Ethersworn Canonist
Timely Reinforcements is a cool card and I've always wanted it to work, but personally I always seem to wind up with the E-tutors. This suggestion isn't flawless by any means, it's not like I made a spreadsheet for it. (I can barely be bothered to do that for my own decks!) But I don't think it's completely cold to anything. I mean, with three colors at your disposal (one of them a offering a totally playable tutor!!!!!), go nuts.
Just make sure that you can take care of blue decks and Jace, which compete for this space of the metagame.
Overall record: 139-98-15
Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
When I played bant the other day, I killed 4 jaces with combat damage in a really grindy game... He topdecked 3 in a row, unreal. It was a good test. That sb is like a swiss army knife! I like it, I'll give it a try.