Knight of the reliquary is show and tells worst nightmare. any junk version running knight with maze of ith and karakas main deck = you ahead. After board its a very favorable match up with extirpate / Thoughtseize combination. My junk board carries oblivion rings as well, as sneak and show has become a very prominant deck. This deck we play is VERY utility, we have access to great sideboard cards with leyline for storm, elephant grass for dredge, dueling grounds for heavy aggro, dread of night stops Esper dead in its tracks, deed.... I wouldn't throw this deck away because of combo.
Actually, show and tell decks is our worst nightmare, it depends on what creature they land.
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Actually, show and tell decks is our worst nightmare, it depends on what creature they land.
Honestly, i probably win 70% of the time against show and tell when i run junk. Knight / karakas is super powerful against it. As long as you keep a hand with knight, and make them pitch the force on a goyf or deathrite your in. Or wait for the show and tell and play knight.
Honestly, i probably win 70% of the time against show and tell when i run junk. Knight / karakas is super powerful against it. As long as you keep a hand with knight, and make them pitch the force on a goyf or deathrite your in. Or wait for the show and tell and play knight.
unless its a 12 post deck + badluck. the last tourney was a mess. i was not prepared for combo decks like belcher and show and tell. so i did not use karakas. it was dumb of me.
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thoughtseize is still best paired with the "best spell in legacy", hymn to tourach IMHO, cabal therapy is SB IMHO.
unless its a 12 post deck + badluck. the last tourney was a mess. i was not prepared for combo decks like belcher and show and tell. so i did not use karakas. it was dumb of me.
It's the worst feeling when you knight and look for karakas and its not there haha. Trust me ive done that a bunch of times since I switch it around in a few decks. Thoughtseize absolutely wrecks show and tell decks. If you can turn one seize and hymn on the next turn its hard to lose.
there is a debate about which is the best spell in legacy.. i'd say Hymn because it is a 1 for 2. anyway its just my opinion.
@chemicalstylez: do you feel me bro? haha! next time im not gonna forget karakas on my SB atleast.
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It's not as popular as Jund. I think they're pretty much on the same power level and use a lot of the same cards, so plenty of people play the new hotness over good old Rock at the moment.
Also it's very unforgiving of mistakes, and it's very easy to make them.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
This is my list for now. I know some list are cutting Knight of the Reliquary but it gets Karakas which answer's Show and Tell for the most part, it can get Bojuka Bog which is going into my SB, it gives me the ability to punish greedy manabases by Wastelanding them out. I have 2 Qasali Pridemage main because it hit's Sneak Attack/Batterskull which Abrupt Decay doesn't. Exalted is also really nice in the Goyf mirror since they can't block yours. Horizon Canopy may get cut wasn't too exciting.
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@NinjaSonic: i'd cut qasali's and add up 2 more walkers, 1 liliana and 1 garruk relentless other than that, your list is pretty solid.. is there any reason for qasali's MB?
@farias214: The Rock is one of the most solid archetype in legacy because of its colors, it is versatile, has many builds to ponder with.. unfortunately, it just dies to combo, unless your SB is built around Anti Combo's and some other stuffs.
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Qasali's are just there because I've been seeing a lot of Sneak and Show and it's our only answer to Sneak Attack. Also Exalted just makes your Tarmogoyf better than there's if you're on the offense. It's been surprisingly good. Also I have 3 Abrupt Decay but there's still a lot of Miracles going around so it answer's that stuff nicely too.
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Qasali's are just there because I've been seeing a lot of Sneak and Show and it's our only answer to Sneak Attack. Also Exalted just makes your Tarmogoyf better than there's if you're on the offense. It's been surprisingly good. Also I have 3 Abrupt Decay but there's still a lot of Miracles going around so it answer's that stuff nicely too.
you have a point.. but its better to have vindicate or maelstrom pulse over qasali's as these spells are answers to anything they lay in. qasali's are 80% dead card based on the meta today. but thats just me. do it your way, thats why its called the ROCK
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SFM package it is. haha! though i admit, i like the thragtusk build even more.
nice post! keeps the rock updated.
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I wouldn't really put Nic Fit as The Rock. Nic Fit is similar but still it's own archetype. I may try a Pernicious Deed, only thing is it's slow and a mana investment so I really have to dump mana in it to take anything out. Maelstrom Pulse or Vindicate would be good minus being Sorcery. The big thing for me is Qasali Pridemage is at least a 3/3 beater if they drop GY hate. I also wanted a couple more creatures.
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Hi!
I'm new to this deck and have never played it in a tournament before. I like to try taking it to GP Strasbourg and that means I really should start testing with a list soon.
Do you think that this would be a good starting place for testing? I'd like to add a Dryad Arbor, but I don't know what to cut :/
Even more, I would like to add 2-4 Stoneforge Mystic, a Batterskull and a Jitte, but that seems even more undoable. I would have to cut the Green Sun's Zenith for that, I think...
In your opinion, what are the most important cards to have in the sideboard?
I thought about these cards:
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1 - you need 4 Swords to plowshares
2 - you dont need 3 GSZ's
thats all i can think about in your list.. 3 vindicate is good, but its better on 2. 1 GSZ is max for your list, plus you need scavenging ooze.
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The Rock is an old deck that evolved into many different things, and I think that Nic Fit and Junk are two of them. As such, it is kind of an odd thread to have, but it seems that for the most part Junk comes up here so it works. But yeah, Nic Fit and even 4c Loam are Rock decks, which are just very versatile midrange decks with green and black cards.
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U Merfolk U UGW NO Bant UGW UGWRB Dredge! UGWRB
Other Legacy Decks I Own:
RGW Zoo! RGW BGW Junk BGW RGWB Aggro Loam RGWB BW Deadguy BW W Death & Taxes (almost!) W GW Green & Taxes GW BGW Junk & Taxes BGW
1 - you need 4 Swords to plowshares
2 - you dont need 3 GSZ's
thats all i can think about in your list.. 3 vindicate is good, but its better on 2. 1 GSZ is max for your list, plus you need scavenging ooze.
Thanks for your feedback!
Adding an Ooze and cutting down the GSZs seems counterintuitive to me. If I want to regularly fetch toolbox creatures like Ooze, Teeg or the maindeck Knights, shouldn't I play at least 2-3 copies of the Zenith?
I really agree on the fourth Swords to Plowshares and the -1 Vindicate. Turn one removal is really important these days...
If I were to be cutting the Zenith, I think I would be cutting all three of them and a Knight of the Reliqary to add 2 Stoneforge Mystic, 1 Batterskull and 1 Umezawa's Jitte or something like that.
That would bring me to this list:
We've only got one image and a tag line to go on. For all we know the portrait could just have been 'taken' on a gloomy day and the world could be populated by Pegasus's, squid-folk, and bear people who sing songs about friendship and ride rainbow rafts of chocolate.
this is just me, i'd cut another thoughtseize and add 1 more SFM... a resolved batterskull is insanely good... but this is just me. =) all in all, the list looks better, you should try it. so you can come up with a feedback and let us know of the results.
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After testing I have forsaken the SFM- AND the KotR-Package in favor of Green Sun's Zenith, because it so much more versatile and Tarmogoyf, because he is just sick. I'm not sure yet if I do not want to play a single Knight in the maindeck, just to be able to fetch him as an even bigger beater if the time comes, but the presence of Deathrite Shaman makes him so much weaker if you are not abusing him completely. He was never bigger then 5/5 in testing and the toolbox broke my neck mana-wise more often than it helped. I'm unsure if I want to play a singleton Karakas main without him, but if I add one of them to the deck, I could be running it.
I added Lingering Souls as an evasive "beater" for the lategame that can be discarded to Liliana and still does something.
Furthermore I rethought the discard-package. Hymn is a really strong card, but I would rather be picking what I let him discard. So I added Cabal Therapy which is naturally good with Thoughtseize (because I saw his hand already) and Lingering Souls, because I can sacrifice tokens (or a third Deathrite Shaman or something).
The deck looks now completely different than before, but I'm convinced that it will be very strong:
About the Sideboard:
I anticipate a lot of Show and Tell so I have to take precautions against that. That is what the Oblivion Ring is for. It can also come in against Helm-Combo or Enchantress. Engineered Plague should be clear: Goblins and especially Elves, who are quite strong at the moment Diablic Edict another nod to Show and Tell, but also deals with the Sneak Attack variant at instant speed. Also helps against Shallow Grave Combo. Extirpate is really helpful against a lot of decks that have a single win condition or combo enabler (taking his High Tides or Show and Tells usually is game over) and makes the Dredge-Matchup winnable (Deathrite Shaman often isn't enough) Duress another one against Combo-Decks, helps against Belcher and the lot. I wonder If I should rather play Pithing Needle over it. Chains of Mephistopheles is a blowout against Brainstorm-Decks and some combo decks. Griselbrand doesn't look that good anymore suddelny (but is still able to win, which is just absurd) and most control decks lose their card-filtering tool of choice: Brainstorm (Ponder gets worse, too)
I tested against NicFit (with red and Scapeshift combo), Esper Stoneblade, 4c Loam, Show and Tell and Death and Taxes last Saturday and the hardest matchup in testing seemed to be 4c Loam, because the clock of the deck is too slow to win against Devastating Dreams...
So... any comments on that? Ideas are welcome, as always.
We've only got one image and a tag line to go on. For all we know the portrait could just have been 'taken' on a gloomy day and the world could be populated by Pegasus's, squid-folk, and bear people who sing songs about friendship and ride rainbow rafts of chocolate.
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1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa Jitte
I would like a 3rd but hmmm another Jitte or a Sword and which one?
Honestly, i probably win 70% of the time against show and tell when i run junk. Knight / karakas is super powerful against it. As long as you keep a hand with knight, and make them pitch the force on a goyf or deathrite your in. Or wait for the show and tell and play knight.
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I tries that build out and only ran the jitte and skull. The third equipment steals away from another card.
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Ok thanks I will try just 2. UWB Stoneforge has success with just 2.
For discard package:
3 Inquisition
3 Cabal Therapy
How does that look?
Since im not runnning Knights i like the idea of 2 oblivion Ring maindeck to help vs Show and Tell.
unless its a 12 post deck + badluck. the last tourney was a mess. i was not prepared for combo decks like belcher and show and tell. so i did not use karakas. it was dumb of me.
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Prob right about thoughtseize and a few Hymns.
Brainstorm will always be the best spell in Legacy!!!!
It's the worst feeling when you knight and look for karakas and its not there haha. Trust me ive done that a bunch of times since I switch it around in a few decks. Thoughtseize absolutely wrecks show and tell decks. If you can turn one seize and hymn on the next turn its hard to lose.
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Cabal therapy is best if you use
Veteran explorer
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I wouldnt want to wast a token fo dat!
there is a debate about which is the best spell in legacy.. i'd say Hymn because it is a 1 for 2. anyway its just my opinion.
@chemicalstylez: do you feel me bro? haha! next time im not gonna forget karakas on my SB atleast.
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Also it's very unforgiving of mistakes, and it's very easy to make them.
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Hymn to Tourach
3 Thoughtseize
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Life from the Loam
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Scrubland
3 Bayou
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
3 Wasteland
This is my list for now. I know some list are cutting Knight of the Reliquary but it gets Karakas which answer's Show and Tell for the most part, it can get Bojuka Bog which is going into my SB, it gives me the ability to punish greedy manabases by Wastelanding them out. I have 2 Qasali Pridemage main because it hit's Sneak Attack/Batterskull which Abrupt Decay doesn't. Exalted is also really nice in the Goyf mirror since they can't block yours. Horizon Canopy may get cut wasn't too exciting.
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@farias214: The Rock is one of the most solid archetype in legacy because of its colors, it is versatile, has many builds to ponder with.. unfortunately, it just dies to combo, unless your SB is built around Anti Combo's and some other stuffs.
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you have a point.. but its better to have vindicate or maelstrom pulse over qasali's as these spells are answers to anything they lay in. qasali's are 80% dead card based on the meta today. but thats just me. do it your way, thats why its called the ROCK
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No chalice? no deed?
SFM package it is. haha! though i admit, i like the thragtusk build even more.
nice post! keeps the rock updated.
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I'm new to this deck and have never played it in a tournament before. I like to try taking it to GP Strasbourg and that means I really should start testing with a list soon.
This is my first draft:
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark Confidant
2 Tarmogoyf
4 Deathrite Shaman
Instants [6]
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Swords to Plowshares
Sorceries [13]
3 Vindicate
3 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Sensei's Divining Top
Planeswalkers [3]
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands [22]
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
3 Scrubland
3 Bayou
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
Do you think that this would be a good starting place for testing? I'd like to add a Dryad Arbor, but I don't know what to cut :/
Even more, I would like to add 2-4 Stoneforge Mystic, a Batterskull and a Jitte, but that seems even more undoable. I would have to cut the Green Sun's Zenith for that, I think...
In your opinion, what are the most important cards to have in the sideboard?
I thought about these cards:
Any ideas and tips are welcome!
2 - you dont need 3 GSZ's
thats all i can think about in your list.. 3 vindicate is good, but its better on 2. 1 GSZ is max for your list, plus you need scavenging ooze.
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U G W NO Bant U G W
U G W R B Dredge! U G W R B
B G W Junk B G W
R G W B Aggro Loam R G W B
B W Deadguy B W
W Death & Taxes (almost!) W
G W Green & Taxes G W
B G W Junk & Taxes B G W
Momir Vig
Brion Stoutarm
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Arcum Daggson
Thanks for your feedback!
Adding an Ooze and cutting down the GSZs seems counterintuitive to me. If I want to regularly fetch toolbox creatures like Ooze, Teeg or the maindeck Knights, shouldn't I play at least 2-3 copies of the Zenith?
I really agree on the fourth Swords to Plowshares and the -1 Vindicate. Turn one removal is really important these days...
If I were to be cutting the Zenith, I think I would be cutting all three of them and a Knight of the Reliqary to add 2 Stoneforge Mystic, 1 Batterskull and 1 Umezawa's Jitte or something like that.
That would bring me to this list:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Tarmogoyf
Instants [7]
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares
Sorceries [9]
3 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
2 Vindicate
1 Batterskull
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Planeswalkers [3]
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands [22]
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
4 Marsh Flats
3 Scrubland
3 Bayou
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
What do you think?
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Thats the only card i'm mssing to complete it.
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I added Lingering Souls as an evasive "beater" for the lategame that can be discarded to Liliana and still does something.
Furthermore I rethought the discard-package. Hymn is a really strong card, but I would rather be picking what I let him discard. So I added Cabal Therapy which is naturally good with Thoughtseize (because I saw his hand already) and Lingering Souls, because I can sacrifice tokens (or a third Deathrite Shaman or something).
The deck looks now completely different than before, but I'm convinced that it will be very strong:
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
1 Gaddock Teeg
Atifacts (3)
3 Sensei's Divining Top
Instants (7)
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
Sorceries (13)
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Lingering Souls
3 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Liliana of the Veil
Lands (22)
1 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Forest
4 Wasteland
2 Marsh Flats
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Bayou
3 Scrubland
1 Savannah
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Engineered Plague
2 Diabolic Edict
3 Extirpate
2 Duress
2 Chains of Mephistopheles
About the Sideboard:
I anticipate a lot of Show and Tell so I have to take precautions against that. That is what the Oblivion Ring is for. It can also come in against Helm-Combo or Enchantress.
Engineered Plague should be clear: Goblins and especially Elves, who are quite strong at the moment
Diablic Edict another nod to Show and Tell, but also deals with the Sneak Attack variant at instant speed. Also helps against Shallow Grave Combo.
Extirpate is really helpful against a lot of decks that have a single win condition or combo enabler (taking his High Tides or Show and Tells usually is game over) and makes the Dredge-Matchup winnable (Deathrite Shaman often isn't enough)
Duress another one against Combo-Decks, helps against Belcher and the lot. I wonder If I should rather play Pithing Needle over it.
Chains of Mephistopheles is a blowout against Brainstorm-Decks and some combo decks. Griselbrand doesn't look that good anymore suddelny (but is still able to win, which is just absurd) and most control decks lose their card-filtering tool of choice: Brainstorm (Ponder gets worse, too)
I tested against NicFit (with red and Scapeshift combo), Esper Stoneblade, 4c Loam, Show and Tell and Death and Taxes last Saturday and the hardest matchup in testing seemed to be 4c Loam, because the clock of the deck is too slow to win against Devastating Dreams...
So... any comments on that? Ideas are welcome, as always.