Quote from TormodModern could never replace Legacy.
The formats are completely different. Its like saying unicycles will replace airplanes.
Quote from Dyne
+2 Relic of Progenitus
+2 Grim Lavamancer
-4 Force of Will
Quote from mchainmailBoarding out Forces seems really, really, really, really bad against Dredge. Especially when you're on the draw.
Quote from Alexeezaywhy do you board in Lavamancer against Team America? I think there is not that much benefits, it can't kill any creatures and isn't green.
Quote from kingseyWhat is the main advantage of running red over white in this deck? I'm still not understanding otherr then dishing out the last 3dmg to kill an opponent, why you would want lightning bolt over stp?
Quote from DMelYeah, the red and white versions are almost identical in the main deck. Both lists are so refined now that often the only difference is 4 Swords to Plowshares vs. 4 Lightning Bolts. The pros and cons of these decisions are pretty obvious, as Sword is better creature removal but Bolt doubles as 3 damage to the face.
The main difference is what you get in the sideboard, and that is everything. Right now red seems to be better, because REB is more important right now than having access to Gaddock Teeg, Rhox War Monk or Path to Exile. Not that you can't also run Teeg in RUG, in fact I would recommend having one in the sideboard. But you'll be less reliably able to cast it.
Dyne, nice work on the thread. It might be worth saying something about the evolution of the deck, if anyone cares about that sort of thing. As far as I know it started with SCG ringers. AJ Sacher and Drew Levin were brewing NO/Show, which was essentially the Bant version of this deck with a Show and Tell plan added and no Goyfs. Drew moved on from the deck but AJ stuck with it and turned it into NO Bant, which at first ran a bunch of jank like Scryb Ranger, Rhox War Monk, Fauna Shaman and Terravore as 1-ofs. Then Todd Anderson picked up on the deck and both had some success with it, but later Reid Duke switched out the white for red, running 4 Bolts and 2 Chain Lightnings (Mental Misstep wasn't out yet) and took 6th place somewhere. AJ moved on, but Anderson switched to that build and both have been developing it ever since, along with other people I'm sure.
Anyway, I'm upset that this is the new form of the deck because I had all of the Bant duals and now have to pick up new ones (aside from Tropical Island), but it does seem that right now RUG is just better positioned to fight the meta.
Quote from JoshuaDI've been looking at this thing, and I really like it. What matches does it have trouble with? It seems like Zoo is probably bad news.
Quote from JoshuaDJunk's definitely worse than 50/50 vs Zoo.
Quote from LTZwhat do you guys think about moving JTMS into the MB over ponder?
Quote from CarepoliceIn your opinion, which match-ups would that improve? I have found Jace to be a great trump card against control decks, or decks that generally don't apply enough pressure. He's pretty bad against more aggressive decks, though, and those are the ones I typically struggle with. When you're getting hit with wasteland/removal on your dorks then you probably don't want to see more cards with CMC4.
Quote from Black Star DecMaverick is causing a lot of trouble. KotR with Zenith and a lot of other pesky stuff like Aven Mindscensor is hard to come by. It's all fine as long as KotR doesn't hit the table so i have been toying around with 4 Submerge in the board and Mind Harness for testing but i'm still not really sold on the matchup. Big Zoo is popular as well, playing with KotR.
Any suggestions? Is Jitte enough from your experience?