I don't have all four Cradles, but I kind of like a Crop Rotation in place of the fourth anyway. I wouldn't play the deck without any Cradles though, and probably wouldn't play it with any less than two plus two Rotations.
I am debating some changes. Our local Storm player has apparently switched decks, so the Ruric Thar can probably be moved to the board at least. I'm thinking I swap him for Progenitus, then drop one of my Birchlores to move in the other NO from the board. That opens up another sideboard slot, which is probably a second Null Rod. Then at that point, I feel like Ruric and Gaddock Teeg in the board are filling basically the same role and I'm not sure that I need both. We've got a Merfolk player that I get paired against almost every week, and I'm thinking about Hornet Queen for that matchup, but I'm a control player so I suspect I'm thinking too defensive.
Rotation works well and opens up potential sideboard options like Karakas and Bojuka Bog if you ever find the need for them.
Cutting the Ruric Thar to the board sounds good, and if you're losing your only storm player it might be best to just cut Ruric overall. Progenitus in the main is fantastic against midrange and 'fair' decks, having the third Natural Order in the mainboard is likely a must at that point. If you find yourself playing a lot of creature matchups it might be worth considering the Scavenging Ooze mainboard, he can create some board presence if the game goes a bit longer - you should be able to beat those matchups game one since they don't have a whole lot of (strong) hate generally.
Hornet Queen is probably fine, but I'd question if it's better than Progenitus if you're planning to Natural Order for something anyways - Progenitus can push past clogged boards while you chump with your other dudes (using Symbiote to maximize your time).
Progenitus would be the main target, of course, I was just thinking Hornet Queen would be a good Plan B for when I'm about to die and don't have time to kill him first. But like I said, I'm probably thinking too defensive and need to focus more on just winning. As a side note, I also considered Setessan Tactics in the same role, but as a 1-of I would have to go with the one I can tutor.
For the record, my usual meta is one Merfolk player, one who plays either Storm or BUG Delver, multiple Show & Tell variants, one or two Reanimator, some UR Delver, one other Elves, and a few homebrews that I haven't seen enough to really describe.
I'm honestly not concerned with whether it's a good meta or not, I'm just playing the deck I want and maybe tweaking it for certain matchups along the way.
Bog and Karakas are certainly worth trying, but that might make me want to run more than just the 1-of Rotation.
Although I mostly play at my small LGS, I would like to keep a sideboard for larger, wide-open tournaments. Not the exact same fifteen, of course, but anything I post up here is more than likely aimed at an open field rather than my home meta.
My bad. Read the card wrong. In some ways that is better as Pharika will never become a creature, it'll remain a token producer.
Yes but to have specific mana, we use elves most of the time. Most games you will only have 2-3 on the field. So if a Pyroclasm hits, we can produce 1 snake. That's why I don't thinbk she's a good idea. Might as well add in Prowess of the Fair in her place.
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The problem with both of those is that the only board wipe you're likely to go up against in Legacy is Terminus, which isn't going to put anything in your graveyard.
My bad. Read the card wrong. In some ways that is better as Pharika will never become a creature, it'll remain a token producer.
Yes but to have specific mana, we use elves most of the time. Most games you will only have 2-3 on the field. So if a Pyroclasm hits, we can produce 1 snake. That's why I don't thinbk she's a good idea. Might as well add in Prowess of the Fair in her place.
Or Bitterblossom at that point. Which is something I tried in my sideboard for a while. The problem with Bitterblossom was that it didn't rebuild your board quickly. It's a manageable amount of pressure which Miracles can afford to take a few hits from before responding.
The problem with both of those is that the only board wipe you're likely to go up against in Legacy is Terminus, which isn't going to put anything in your graveyard.
Good point. However, if they don't counter my elves, I'll still have at least 2-3 power on the table at all times. I can attack with those until the Terminus. I should have drawn more elves at this point. Unfortunately, they'll hit the counterbalance lock eventually, making my cast elves go to the grave. With Pharika, at least i can recycle those cards for tokens at the end of turn.
Perhaps I like her cause I can Zenith for her unlike the other enchantment options. :/
I'm not super familiar with this deck but I proxied it up to test with it and I was wondering, how come priest of titania is no longer played?
It really requires an entire turn to give you any mana. Any smart opponent would remove it as soon as they saw it. At least Hermit Druid technically gives all your elves haste for mana, and thanks for the combo with Nettle Sentinel, your druid can give you more mana than Titania ever could on the turn it comes in.
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Lately I have heard of people choosing Elvish Archdruid over the Priest when they want an effect like that. That also counteracts all the -1/-1 effects that have been seeing play ever since TNN got printed, and costing one more is a minor difference for this deck.
Lately I have heard of people choosing Elvish Archdruid over the Priest when they want an effect like that. That also counteracts all the -1/-1 effects that have been seeing play ever since TNN got printed, and costing one more is a minor difference for this deck.
I might also consider Elvish Champion as a means to getting past Goyf decks. The Forestwalk might be more relevant than the Priest of Titania ability.
I may be playing in a Legacy SCG IQ tomorrow. Here's the sideboard I've come to at the moment, but I've never played in a big open tournament with this deck so I don't really know what I'm doing with it.
The main deck is the same as posted above -1 Ruric Thar, -1 Birchlore Rangers and +1 Natural Order, +1 Progenitus.
If I do any good I'll try and get it written up to post a report.
Why do you have Pro main? That to me seams like a bad call. When he is good, you bring him in because the risk of the dead draw is worth the pay off, when he is main though you never get to choose and you sometimes will just draw your opening, not have a clue what your against and have what is a 6 card hand.
The main reason is that I wanted something good to search up when I have a turn 2 NO hand, and Progenitus is the best thing I could come up with. I could just grab a Craterhoof, but he's only going to hit for 8 and then if he gets killed I've got nothing left.
Run two Hoof, set up before you NO and wait for the kill if you have it. There is no need to play a turn 2 NO unless your under pressure to do so. This is a very slight corner case that does not demand a slot in your deck. Personally, I do not feel your answer is a strong enough reason for the choice you are making.
I'm already running two Hoof. I want to have another available target in games where I can't get enough guys on the board for Hoof the be lethal, whether that's because I'm casting NO early or everything is dying or whatever. I don't like the "wait until you have more guys" line because I don't trust my ability to topdeck.
Perhaps having another target is ultimately not necessary, but I don't really know what else I would run in its place.
Your running a deck that is half creatures, top decking more is a non issue. Also they don't need to attack, new creatures can either be saced or just up the numbers on the Hoof Trigger.
You do not need Pro main. I would argue if you go to an event with him in there, he will cause more trouble than he is worth. Try running Packmaster as another NO target. Much better choice in my view.
Rotation works well and opens up potential sideboard options like Karakas and Bojuka Bog if you ever find the need for them.
Cutting the Ruric Thar to the board sounds good, and if you're losing your only storm player it might be best to just cut Ruric overall. Progenitus in the main is fantastic against midrange and 'fair' decks, having the third Natural Order in the mainboard is likely a must at that point. If you find yourself playing a lot of creature matchups it might be worth considering the Scavenging Ooze mainboard, he can create some board presence if the game goes a bit longer - you should be able to beat those matchups game one since they don't have a whole lot of (strong) hate generally.
Hornet Queen is probably fine, but I'd question if it's better than Progenitus if you're planning to Natural Order for something anyways - Progenitus can push past clogged boards while you chump with your other dudes (using Symbiote to maximize your time).
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For the record, my usual meta is one Merfolk player, one who plays either Storm or BUG Delver, multiple Show & Tell variants, one or two Reanimator, some UR Delver, one other Elves, and a few homebrews that I haven't seen enough to really describe.
Bog and Karakas are certainly worth trying, but that might make me want to run more than just the 1-of Rotation.
Although I mostly play at my small LGS, I would like to keep a sideboard for larger, wide-open tournaments. Not the exact same fifteen, of course, but anything I post up here is more than likely aimed at an open field rather than my home meta.
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
Or Bitterblossom at that point. Which is something I tried in my sideboard for a while. The problem with Bitterblossom was that it didn't rebuild your board quickly. It's a manageable amount of pressure which Miracles can afford to take a few hits from before responding.
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Good point. However, if they don't counter my elves, I'll still have at least 2-3 power on the table at all times. I can attack with those until the Terminus. I should have drawn more elves at this point. Unfortunately, they'll hit the counterbalance lock eventually, making my cast elves go to the grave. With Pharika, at least i can recycle those cards for tokens at the end of turn.
Perhaps I like her cause I can Zenith for her unlike the other enchantment options. :/
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
I might also consider Elvish Champion as a means to getting past Goyf decks. The Forestwalk might be more relevant than the Priest of Titania ability.
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2 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ruric Thar
1 (something else?)
The main deck is the same as posted above -1 Ruric Thar, -1 Birchlore Rangers and +1 Natural Order, +1 Progenitus.
If I do any good I'll try and get it written up to post a report.
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
Perhaps having another target is ultimately not necessary, but I don't really know what else I would run in its place.
You do not need Pro main. I would argue if you go to an event with him in there, he will cause more trouble than he is worth. Try running Packmaster as another NO target. Much better choice in my view.
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
10 Forest
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Wasteland
2 Gaea's Cradle
1 Dryad Arbor
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4 Priest of Titania
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Joraga Warcaller
2 Sylvan Messenger
2 Elvish Champion
2 Fyndhorn Elves
2 Elvish Mystic
2 Imperious Perfect
2 Llanowar Elves
1 Progenitus
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Natural Order
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
2 Reclamation Sage
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Creeping Corrosion
1 Terastodon
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
2 Back to Nature
1 Pithing Needle
2 Mindbreak Trap
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