It's mostly because I was incredibly apathetic regarding maintaining the primer for the last thread. It also didn't help that I virtually stopped playing the deck altogether. This is more of an invitation for someone with more experience with the deck than I have to write one.
It's mostly because I was incredibly apathetic regarding maintaining the primer for the last thread. It also didn't help that I virtually stopped playing the deck altogether. This is more of an invitation for someone with more experience with the deck than I have to write one.
Someone should write a primer for this deck. It's not a deck in the spotlight very often, but it puts up very strong finishes from time to time.
I would volunteer myself if I had any experience playing this deck in a large tournament (StarCity Legacy Opens, Legacy GPs, etc).
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I think better than ulamog is probably it that betrays. Its a touch more vulnerable (thought not by much), but at the same time its a lot safer when it hits because you now have their stuff, so you know they are not just gonna reanimate it or what have you.
Also there are quite a few dudes who leave behind some goodies when they die which may also be a better fit than ulamog, but I'm just thinking out loud on this.
The thing about Bligtsteel is he doesn't play well with Emmy. A T2 Sneak Attack ->Blightsteel that gets blocked by a 2/2 might as well Not have happened, unless you draw another. A T2 Sneak Attack -> Progen sets up an Emmy or a Progen kill.
Have you guys considered Stifle? Good vs combo, stops PWs and Wasteland, and it alone can beat Hive Mind (especially since this deck has a good shot at being able to afford paying one trigger!)
The fact that you play things that are Swords to Plowsharable and are not playing Mental Misstep anywhere in your 75 surprises me.
If you were playing just Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Progenitus, you'd have an excuse, but you're playing Blightsteel Colossus and co...
4 Seething Song and 3 Lotus Petal is a bit too much imo. It makes your deck more explosive, but loses consistency in exchange. You should cut some of them and up the Ponder count to four. You can also consider playing other cantrips/search effects such as Preordain and Personal Tutor.
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Hive Mind is actually a fun MU. Either side can land the win condition off of the opponent's Show and Tell, and both sides might have enough mana to pay for the Pacts.
I think it'll come down to Hive Mind's Artifact acceleration vs. how quickly we can Sneak Attack them to death.
Don't forget though, we are playing Red Elemental Blast/Pyroblast.
ok i have to say that it really depends on your meta, before you decide what creatures to play in it, also how come you guys dont call the deck the peep show????
well anyways here is my 75 and it hasent failed me yet and i have also played the high five deck verion but have setteled on the peep show deck for my area.
I notice that so many people leave Sneak Show for Mind Hive deck..
What you think about it? Sneak Show it's going to dead?
Hive Mind is more resilient to hate and usually wins a turn earlier. It's better right now.
However, Sneak Show will never be dead. It's still one of the most consistent combo strategies in the game, and almost completely dodges Mental Misstep.
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Chalice of the Void is irrelevant.
It counters your Pact, but Hive Mind still triggers and gives your opponent a copy of the spell.
You'll actually be helping out the Hive Mind player.
As for the other part about Hive Mind requiring an additional card in your hand... yes, but in exchange, you don't have to swing (twice) with Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or Progenitus. And your deck doesn't have to worry about Karakas, Oblivion Ring, Phyrexian Metamorph, or people racing you down.
Once Hive Mind drops, if you have a Pact in hand, you win on the spot.
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As of now I run a setup of 3x Emrakul, 3x Progenitus and 3x Blightsteel, but I just ordered 3x Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur to playtest. Also, I think 4x Intuitions are a bit too much, and instead of Seething Song I opted for 3x Simian Spirit Guide.
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Oh ok, my bad then. Oblivion Ring and Metamorph do nothing vs Sneak Attack and it can kill on first swing with Blightsteel Colussus (which is immune to Karakas also). Sneak Attack is the reason I love this deck.
But anyway this discussion made me curious so I'll be building an Hive Mind deck soon (or maybe make a mix of both by sideboarding Hive Mind + pacts).
This reveals your inexperience with this deck.
I assure you that, while Oblivion Ring and Phyrexian Metamorph do nothing against Sneak Attack, restricting you to only four win conditions will allow the other deck to race you quite easily.
Plus, there are other answers.
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Moat
Humility
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Runed Halo
Story Circle
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Hibernation
Stingscourger
Phantasmal Image
... and a lot more that I can't name off the top of my head.
And those are against Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or Progenitus... arguably the two most "invincible" fatties...
When you're throwing in stuff like Ulamog, Kozilek, Woodfall Primus, Blighsteel Collosus, you're opening yourself up to even more risks... Swords to Plowshares comes to mind.
EDIT EDIT EDIT!: Someone made top eight at SCG Legacy Open: Richmond with Sneak Attack! They haven't posted up the lists yet, but he was covered in a feature match a few rounds earlier and his name just popped up in the top eight bracket! Hoorah!
I assure you that, while Oblivion Ring and Phyrexian Metamorph do nothing against Sneak Attack, restricting you to only four win conditions will allow the other deck to race you quite easily.
Plus, there are other answers.
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Moat
Humility
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Runed Halo
Story Circle
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Hibernation
Stingscourger
Phantasmal Image
... and a lot more that I can't name off the top of my head.
And those are against Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or Progenitus... arguably the two most "invincible" fatties...
When you're throwing in stuff like Ulamog, Kozilek, Woodfall Primus, Blighsteel Collosus, you're opening yourself up to even more risks... Swords to Plowshares comes to mind.
EDIT EDIT EDIT!: Someone made top eight at SCG Legacy Open: Richmond with Sneak Attack! They haven't posted up the lists yet, but he was covered in a feature match a few rounds earlier and his name just popped up in the top eight bracket! Hoorah!
Just nit picking but your hate list should look more like:
Just Emmy:
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Stingscourger
Just Prog:
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Story Circle
Moat
Hibernation
Prog/Emmy:
Humility
Runed Halo
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Phantasmal Image
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Just nit picking but your hate list should look more like:
Just Emmy:
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Stingscourger
Just Prog:
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Story Circle
Moat
Hibernation
Prog/Emmy:
Humility
Runed Halo
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Phantasmal Image
Just nitpicking but I'm pretty sure Stingscourger also hits Progenitus.
Also, you have to keep in mind that sacrifice effects such as Diabolic Edict, Innocent Blood, or Gatekeeper of Malakir exist as well.
Finally, Circle of Protection: any color defeats Progenitus pretty effectively.
It's still very promising, however, that (essentially) two Sneak Attack decks made top eight at the recent SCG Legacy Open.
I still don't see how Through the Breach is better than Sneak Attack if you understand how to retain priority...
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That's weird, for some reason I had this idea in my head that you should always play around Stingscourger and Warren Weirding against Goblins regardless of which fatty you play.
Kinda strange...
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It should also be noted that Runed Halo is a *terrible* answer to Emrakul. It might be able to stall for one turn, but in the end, it's just another permanent to be sacrificed.
Additionally, two Sneak Show lists top-8ed SCG Richmond:
I played the through the breach list on Saturday with few changes main and almost a completely different sideboard. I ended up in second out of 40 and winning a Underground Sea and a Plateau. Through the breach was a house especially after getting a Show and Tell countered a turn or two before they usually just didn't have anything left. I don't think I would ever run creatures that weren't Emrakul, Blightsteel, or Progenitus. It just isn't worth it. Also 6 creatures felt about right I couldn't see running much more than that.
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Someone should write a primer for this deck. It's not a deck in the spotlight very often, but it puts up very strong finishes from time to time.
I would volunteer myself if I had any experience playing this deck in a large tournament (StarCity Legacy Opens, Legacy GPs, etc).
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Also there are quite a few dudes who leave behind some goodies when they die which may also be a better fit than ulamog, but I'm just thinking out loud on this.
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No annihilator and such, but he's got protection from everything. A turn one straight Progenitus is a hard race for most decks.
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Have you guys considered Stifle? Good vs combo, stops PWs and Wasteland, and it alone can beat Hive Mind (especially since this deck has a good shot at being able to afford paying one trigger!)
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The fact that you play things that are Swords to Plowsharable and are not playing Mental Misstep anywhere in your 75 surprises me.
If you were playing just Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Progenitus, you'd have an excuse, but you're playing Blightsteel Colossus and co...
4 Seething Song and 3 Lotus Petal is a bit too much imo. It makes your deck more explosive, but loses consistency in exchange. You should cut some of them and up the Ponder count to four. You can also consider playing other cantrips/search effects such as Preordain and Personal Tutor.
EDIT:
Hive Mind is actually a fun MU. Either side can land the win condition off of the opponent's Show and Tell, and both sides might have enough mana to pay for the Pacts.
I think it'll come down to Hive Mind's Artifact acceleration vs. how quickly we can Sneak Attack them to death.
Don't forget though, we are playing Red Elemental Blast/Pyroblast.
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well anyways here is my 75 and it hasent failed me yet and i have also played the high five deck verion but have setteled on the peep show deck for my area.
3 emrakul the aeons torn
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2 blightsteel colossus
win
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counters
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3 daze
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cantrips
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4 brainstorm
4 intuition
2 seething song
3 lotus petals
land
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2 mountain
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I've been seeing the transformational sideboard, bringing in Hive Mind and X pacts in lieu of the sneak attack and several creatures.
That said, i'm still missing the Intuitions to make it as viable, so until then, I've got to work with an old list, so its hiding in my box.
Don't get me wrong; I love the deck and do think it's quite viable, I'm just personally missing too many pieces to run it at its best
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Hive Mind is more resilient to hate and usually wins a turn earlier. It's better right now.
However, Sneak Show will never be dead. It's still one of the most consistent combo strategies in the game, and almost completely dodges Mental Misstep.
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It counters your Pact, but Hive Mind still triggers and gives your opponent a copy of the spell.
You'll actually be helping out the Hive Mind player.
As for the other part about Hive Mind requiring an additional card in your hand... yes, but in exchange, you don't have to swing (twice) with Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or Progenitus. And your deck doesn't have to worry about Karakas, Oblivion Ring, Phyrexian Metamorph, or people racing you down.
Once Hive Mind drops, if you have a Pact in hand, you win on the spot.
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This reveals your inexperience with this deck.
I assure you that, while Oblivion Ring and Phyrexian Metamorph do nothing against Sneak Attack, restricting you to only four win conditions will allow the other deck to race you quite easily.
Plus, there are other answers.
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Moat
Humility
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Runed Halo
Story Circle
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Hibernation
Stingscourger
Phantasmal Image
... and a lot more that I can't name off the top of my head.
And those are against Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or Progenitus... arguably the two most "invincible" fatties...
When you're throwing in stuff like Ulamog, Kozilek, Woodfall Primus, Blighsteel Collosus, you're opening yourself up to even more risks... Swords to Plowshares comes to mind.
EDIT EDIT EDIT!: Someone made top eight at SCG Legacy Open: Richmond with Sneak Attack! They haven't posted up the lists yet, but he was covered in a feature match a few rounds earlier and his name just popped up in the top eight bracket! Hoorah!
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Just nit picking but your hate list should look more like:
Just Emmy:
Karakas
Oblivion Ring
Mangara of Corondor
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sower of Temptation
Gilded Drake
Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar
Shriekmaw
Vampire Nighthawk
Stingscourger
Just Prog:
Perish
Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Story Circle
Moat
Hibernation
Prog/Emmy:
Humility
Runed Halo
Ensnaring Bridge
Wrath of God
Phyrexian Metamorph
Phantasmal Image
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It's not absolutely necessary, but it makes the deck much more competitive and resilient. I would strongly recommend it.
Just nitpicking but I'm pretty sure Stingscourger also hits Progenitus.
Also, you have to keep in mind that sacrifice effects such as Diabolic Edict, Innocent Blood, or Gatekeeper of Malakir exist as well.
Finally, Circle of Protection: any color defeats Progenitus pretty effectively.
It's still very promising, however, that (essentially) two Sneak Attack decks made top eight at the recent SCG Legacy Open.
I still don't see how Through the Breach is better than Sneak Attack if you understand how to retain priority...
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Hmm... it doesn't.
That's weird, for some reason I had this idea in my head that you should always play around Stingscourger and Warren Weirding against Goblins regardless of which fatty you play.
Kinda strange...
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Additionally, two Sneak Show lists top-8ed SCG Richmond:
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Instants
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3 Force of Will
3 Intuition
2 Mental Misstep
1 Misdirection
3 Spell Pierce
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Legendary Creatures
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Sorceries
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
Basic Lands
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Lands
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1 Mental Misstep
1 Misdirection
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Creatures
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Enchantments
4 Sneak Attack
Instants
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Legendary Creatures
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Sorceries
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
Basic Lands
2 Island
1 Mountain
Lands
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3 Flooded Strand
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I'd assume Through the Breach over Sneak Attack for a couple reasons. Mostly:
Pithing Needle and Phyrexian Revoker
Krosan Grip and Qasali Pridemage, particularly if you can't get it off right then and there (having to wait over two turns).
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It seems better than Sneak Attack to me, although you can get multiple uses out of the same SA...
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