I just play casually with my friends but we play legacy (not imba turn 2 legacy but you know, casual legacy)
Anyway I have this Bazaar Trader and I really want this to work consistently...
Kinda like a pillowfort deck, with some weird win conditions lol
The idea is to survive long enough to start passing over the evil cards...
Ha! I love Bazaar Trader(username is slightly related). With him, I think of more of giving out taxing effects to other players, but pillow fort might help your in defense. Just to verify, you are actually following legacy formatting?
some of the cards seem out of place, like claustrophobia and Razorfin Hunter. Because I am not sure the reason to put them in there. I think you should focus on what to give as taxing effect and get more removal than pacifism effects. Albeit, the Kirtar's Desire(I do see the combo with the ooze, if that was the idea) seems nice, it just you might need more support (unless you just pillow fort). To Get more clarification, what is your meta like for the "casual legacy"? it might help you tune your deck better.
So Claustrophobia is for those types of tap-effect creatures that need to be stopped, but it could also be used on those creatures that I'm handing over.. the reason I have so much anti-attack is because I plan to give them my creatures that eventually get pretty big, so it's kind of a 2-for-1 that works on both of our creatures...
Also these enchantment cards can be donated in order to draw extra cards with Zedruu the Greathearted whereas regular removal spells wouldn't have this advantage!
Razorfin Hunter is for pinging down problematic/important 1/1's or even 2/2's if I get a few.... (like another bazaar trader for instance my friend plays a similar deck) as well as perhaps dealing 1 damage every turn slowly..
They could be removed from the deck and replaced with better cards, but I'm not really sure what else I could put in here...
I'm down to put any cards into this deck as long as they're legacy fit but essentially I'm not playing against turn 2 win decks, I'm playing against noob-ish mtg players with the best deck they can muster up
I tried thinking of other cards that I could give with bazaar trader but jinxed idol are simply not gonna work if I give them creatures to sac :/
I also really want to keep the mana curve low so those bigger cards are like ugh... too much mana lol I only want a couple of bombs otherwise I can't play anything early game.. most of the good cards to donate to people are either enchantments or just cost way too much mana lol
The biggest issue with the deck is sometimes I'm stuck holding dead cards... I've got a primordial ooze and no way to donate him... or a bunch of bazaar traders and no curse cards..
..or maybe I'll get mana screwed/flooded and then obsess about putting in a howling mine to avoid problems like these... only to think man, for 1 more mana i could just play rhystic study... but surely with all the lockdown my opponent wouldn't be able to use his extra cards very well right?
it feels like the deck is doing too many different things, though my primary goal is to just donate these stupid cards steel golem.. countryside crusher... and just start lol'ing
that would be sooo cool but it's just so hard to pull it off
So Claustrophobia is for those types of tap-effect creatures that need to be stopped, but it could also be used on those creatures that I'm handing over.. the reason I have so much anti-attack is because I plan to give them my creatures that eventually get pretty big, so it's kind of a 2-for-1 that works on both of our creatures...
Also these enchantment cards can be donated in order to draw extra cards with Zedruu the Greathearted whereas regular removal spells wouldn't have this advantage!
Razorfin Hunter is for pinging down problematic/important 1/1's or even 2/2's if I get a few.... (like another bazaar trader for instance my friend plays a similar deck) as well as perhaps dealing 1 damage every turn slowly..
They could be removed from the deck and replaced with better cards, but I'm not really sure what else I could put in here...
I'm down to put any cards into this deck as long as they're legacy fit but essentially I'm not playing against turn 2 win decks, I'm playing against noob-ish mtg players with the best deck they can muster up
I tried thinking of other cards that I could give with bazaar trader but jinxed idol are simply not gonna work if I give them creatures to sac :/
I also really want to keep the mana curve low so those bigger cards are like ugh... too much mana lol I only want a couple of bombs otherwise I can't play anything early game.. most of the good cards to donate to people are either enchantments or just cost way too much mana lol
The biggest issue with the deck is sometimes I'm stuck holding dead cards... I've got a primordial ooze and no way to donate him... or a bunch of bazaar traders and no curse cards..
..or maybe I'll get mana screwed/flooded and then obsess about putting in a howling mine to avoid problems like these... only to think man, for 1 more mana i could just play rhystic study... but surely with all the lockdown my opponent wouldn't be able to use his extra cards very well right?
it feels like the deck is doing too many different things, though my primary goal is to just donate these stupid cards steel golem.. countryside crusher... and just start lol'ing
that would be sooo cool but it's just so hard to pull it off
I think you need just pure removal, like lightning bolt, shock, sword to plowshare or get some counter spells. But you do not have to get them, it just having lightning bolt for example, you would still have use for it because you can toss it at your opponent's face. For pillow-fort effects there is Ghostly prison and propaganda, which are one of the cheapest pillow-fort effects.
For the draw effects, I would recommend faithless looting, just for drawing and filtering your hand, so you can toss unwanted cards at the time. Its also low mana cost too and reusable. Then there are cards like preordain and serum visionsto help filter draws. I would recommend these, because they would defiantly help you get to what you need.
For donating effects, there is Donate, harmless offering and political trickery. Yeah most of the taxing-like effects usually start at 3 cmc and up. I would have to agree on jinxed idol, although you could focus on jinxed idol and bazaar trader/zedruu, then have no other creature, just those creatures and have other taxing/stax effect.
I think if you have cantrip effects, it would truly help your deck run better. I see your goal for what you want to do, but you have lot of other cards that do not support well, to the point where you have lots of dead cards in hand.
If you can establish a lock-down then of course his usage of cards would be hinder, but that lead to what cards you want to do, either to tax or stax effect your opponent. The cards that I think should be reevaluated are claustrophobia, razorfin Hunter, rhystic study, runed halo, fog bank, Dominus of fealty, pithing needle, Meekstone
, Countryside Crusher, Primordial Ooze, Kirtar's Desire... Just look at what "you" are wanting to do. some of the cards can be sideboard, but your plan on what "you" are wanting to do is mixed and not centered. Again cantrip effects are you friend, adding them would defiantly help you.
I had 4 jinxed idols but it seemed like that was too many as I can't really handle more than 1 on the field
The jinxed choker is awesome but it leads to very fast endings lol and if I don't have bazaar trader then I'm screwed Bronze bombshell is a new addition I haven't tested yet but it seems solid, a good beater and quite a bit of damage
I had 2 unsummon and it helped to keep my bazaar trader alive but I want to include fog bank just because it's such a good blocker in this riskay deck..
With further testing i can see how many of each card i need, right now it's pretty much mostly 4 of each
I had 4 jinxed idols but it seemed like that was too many as I can't really handle more than 1 on the field
The jinxed choker is awesome but it leads to very fast endings lol and if I don't have bazaar trader then I'm screwed Bronze bombshell is a new addition I haven't tested yet but it seems solid, a good beater and quite a bit of damage
I had 2 unsummon and it helped to keep my bazaar trader alive but I want to include fog bank just because it's such a good blocker in this riskay deck..
With further testing i can see how many of each card i need, right now it's pretty much mostly 4 of each
This looking good, but how has Legacy's Allure been helping you? It looks a bit slow and it takes your "on curve" spot for Bazaar trader. Bronze bombshell is a nice addition and there is Rust Elemental, but it mucks up the plan with jinxed Idol. Kari Zev's expertise looks nice, but is 4 of helpful? Just wanting to know, since you have had issues with dead cards in hand and the same goes for wrangle. The jinxed choker seems to put you on the clock, in a not helpful way, especially when you do not have you bazaar trader. Have you thought of other ways to make it aggro-like? Without the use of jinxed idol.
Too bad Bazaar trader does not sell enchantments or I would recommend adding black and going demonic pact. You do not have to listen to me on this part, I am just rambling on like a old man with dementia.
As far as the aggro version, it's actually WEAKER than the defensive version right now!
Legend's allure is actually a very powerful card because it can permanently steal a creature... usually other people have little 2 drops that are very powerful but low stats so it's a free steal! The other steal cards require at least an idol or a trader..
However I think you're right about having too many creature stealing abilities, sometimes they avoid playing creatures so I can't steal them and I end up taking damage from my own idol
Perhaps a few donates could help... hmm
The defensive deck is actually pretty good at holding off hordes of monsters, even 1v2 loool it's just so hard for people to get past my walls and eventually they just succumb slowly to a donated ooze loool pretty painful to watch..
As far as the aggro version, it's actually WEAKER than the defensive version right now!
Legend's allure is actually a very powerful card because it can permanently steal a creature... usually other people have little 2 drops that are very powerful but low stats so it's a free steal! The other steal cards require at least an idol or a trader..
However I think you're right about having too many creature stealing abilities, sometimes they avoid playing creatures so I can't steal them and I end up taking damage from my own idol
Perhaps a few donates could help... hmm
The defensive deck is actually pretty good at holding off hordes of monsters, even 1v2 loool it's just so hard for people to get past my walls and eventually they just succumb slowly to a donated ooze loool pretty painful to watch..
Well defense deck has more answers to things and can set up a defensive presences with pillow-fort effects. With the aggro it seems that you opponents notices a weakness in that variant of your deck. Might have to change the angle, by taking out jinxed idol, but the idol helps with damage and act as removal when they have creatures. Maybe splash Zedruu in the aggro an see how that helps. Just looking at the aggro list, it seems that it needs another source of damage besides the jinxed idol that is pretty constant or something to put pressure on the opponent.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
I just play casually with my friends but we play legacy (not imba turn 2 legacy but you know, casual legacy)
Anyway I have this Bazaar Trader and I really want this to work consistently...
Kinda like a pillowfort deck, with some weird win conditions lol
The idea is to survive long enough to start passing over the evil cards...
Anyway here's the decklist:
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Primordial Ooze
3 Kirtar's Desire
1 Meekstone
1 Pithing Needle
4 Bazaar Trader
4 Fog Bank
2 Spellskite
2 Runed Halo
2 Razorfin Hunter
2 Rhystic Study
1 Detention Sphere
1 Crawlspace
1 Claustrophobia
1 Countryside Crusher
1 Steel Golem
2 Zedruu the Greathearted
1 Puca's Mischief
1 Worship
1 Illusions of Grandeur
1 Dominus of Fealty
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
4 Plateau
What do you guys think?
some of the cards seem out of place, like claustrophobia and Razorfin Hunter. Because I am not sure the reason to put them in there. I think you should focus on what to give as taxing effect and get more removal than pacifism effects. Albeit, the Kirtar's Desire(I do see the combo with the ooze, if that was the idea) seems nice, it just you might need more support (unless you just pillow fort). To Get more clarification, what is your meta like for the "casual legacy"? it might help you tune your deck better.
So Claustrophobia is for those types of tap-effect creatures that need to be stopped, but it could also be used on those creatures that I'm handing over.. the reason I have so much anti-attack is because I plan to give them my creatures that eventually get pretty big, so it's kind of a 2-for-1 that works on both of our creatures...
Also these enchantment cards can be donated in order to draw extra cards with Zedruu the Greathearted whereas regular removal spells wouldn't have this advantage!
Razorfin Hunter is for pinging down problematic/important 1/1's or even 2/2's if I get a few.... (like another bazaar trader for instance my friend plays a similar deck) as well as perhaps dealing 1 damage every turn slowly..
They could be removed from the deck and replaced with better cards, but I'm not really sure what else I could put in here...
I'm down to put any cards into this deck as long as they're legacy fit but essentially I'm not playing against turn 2 win decks, I'm playing against noob-ish mtg players with the best deck they can muster up
I tried thinking of other cards that I could give with bazaar trader but jinxed idol are simply not gonna work if I give them creatures to sac :/
I also really want to keep the mana curve low so those bigger cards are like ugh... too much mana lol I only want a couple of bombs otherwise I can't play anything early game.. most of the good cards to donate to people are either enchantments or just cost way too much mana lol
The biggest issue with the deck is sometimes I'm stuck holding dead cards... I've got a primordial ooze and no way to donate him... or a bunch of bazaar traders and no curse cards..
..or maybe I'll get mana screwed/flooded and then obsess about putting in a howling mine to avoid problems like these... only to think man, for 1 more mana i could just play rhystic study... but surely with all the lockdown my opponent wouldn't be able to use his extra cards very well right?
it feels like the deck is doing too many different things, though my primary goal is to just donate these stupid cards steel golem.. countryside crusher... and just start lol'ing
that would be sooo cool but it's just so hard to pull it off
I think you need just pure removal, like lightning bolt, shock, sword to plowshare or get some counter spells. But you do not have to get them, it just having lightning bolt for example, you would still have use for it because you can toss it at your opponent's face. For pillow-fort effects there is Ghostly prison and propaganda, which are one of the cheapest pillow-fort effects.
For the draw effects, I would recommend faithless looting, just for drawing and filtering your hand, so you can toss unwanted cards at the time. Its also low mana cost too and reusable. Then there are cards like preordain and serum visionsto help filter draws. I would recommend these, because they would defiantly help you get to what you need.
For donating effects, there is Donate, harmless offering and political trickery. Yeah most of the taxing-like effects usually start at 3 cmc and up. I would have to agree on jinxed idol, although you could focus on jinxed idol and bazaar trader/zedruu, then have no other creature, just those creatures and have other taxing/stax effect.
I think if you have cantrip effects, it would truly help your deck run better. I see your goal for what you want to do, but you have lot of other cards that do not support well, to the point where you have lots of dead cards in hand.
If you can establish a lock-down then of course his usage of cards would be hinder, but that lead to what cards you want to do, either to tax or stax effect your opponent. The cards that I think should be reevaluated are claustrophobia, razorfin Hunter, rhystic study, runed halo, fog bank, Dominus of fealty, pithing needle, Meekstone
, Countryside Crusher, Primordial Ooze, Kirtar's Desire... Just look at what "you" are wanting to do. some of the cards can be sideboard, but your plan on what "you" are wanting to do is mixed and not centered. Again cantrip effects are you friend, adding them would defiantly help you.
I know it's weird to have pithing needle but it's because I know what cards my friends are using... patron wizard, etc lol
Thanks for the ideas man!
You are welcome!
If you want to keep pithing needle you can, but still, test the deck to make sure that you actually need to have it main board vs. side board.
I look forward to hearing/reading/seeing the results.
I think this works pretty effectively, and I like it more than the pillowfort deck..
4 Ponder
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Spellskite
4 Fog Bank
4 Bazaar Trader
3 Jinxed Idol
4 Legacy's Allure
4 Wrangle
4 Kari Zev's Expertise
2 Jinxed Choker
2 Bronze Bombshell
1 Dominus of Fealty
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Volcanic Island
4 Steam Vents
4 Sulfur Falls
2 Mountain
2 Island
I had 4 jinxed idols but it seemed like that was too many as I can't really handle more than 1 on the field
The jinxed choker is awesome but it leads to very fast endings lol and if I don't have bazaar trader then I'm screwed
Bronze bombshell is a new addition I haven't tested yet but it seems solid, a good beater and quite a bit of damage
I had 2 unsummon and it helped to keep my bazaar trader alive but I want to include fog bank just because it's such a good blocker in this riskay deck..
With further testing i can see how many of each card i need, right now it's pretty much mostly 4 of each
They are both hilariously funny to play
4 Ponder
4 Kirtar's Desire
4 Primordial Ooze
1 Meekstone
4 Spellskite
4 Fog Bank
4 Bazaar Trader
4 Runed Halo
1 Crawlspace
3 Donate
1 Wall of Denial
1 Steel Golem
2 Zedruu the Greathearted
1 Statecraft
1 Illusions of Grandeur
1 Worship
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
4 Plateau
4 Volcanic Island
This looking good, but how has Legacy's Allure been helping you? It looks a bit slow and it takes your "on curve" spot for Bazaar trader. Bronze bombshell is a nice addition and there is Rust Elemental, but it mucks up the plan with jinxed Idol. Kari Zev's expertise looks nice, but is 4 of helpful? Just wanting to know, since you have had issues with dead cards in hand and the same goes for wrangle. The jinxed choker seems to put you on the clock, in a not helpful way, especially when you do not have you bazaar trader. Have you thought of other ways to make it aggro-like? Without the use of jinxed idol.
Too bad Bazaar trader does not sell enchantments or I would recommend adding black and going demonic pact. You do not have to listen to me on this part, I am just rambling on like a old man with dementia.
I like that you still kept the original idea of pillow-fort, but how has it been playing for this version?
Legend's allure is actually a very powerful card because it can permanently steal a creature... usually other people have little 2 drops that are very powerful but low stats so it's a free steal! The other steal cards require at least an idol or a trader..
However I think you're right about having too many creature stealing abilities, sometimes they avoid playing creatures so I can't steal them and I end up taking damage from my own idol
Perhaps a few donates could help... hmm
The defensive deck is actually pretty good at holding off hordes of monsters, even 1v2 loool it's just so hard for people to get past my walls and eventually they just succumb slowly to a donated ooze loool pretty painful to watch..
Well defense deck has more answers to things and can set up a defensive presences with pillow-fort effects. With the aggro it seems that you opponents notices a weakness in that variant of your deck. Might have to change the angle, by taking out jinxed idol, but the idol helps with damage and act as removal when they have creatures. Maybe splash Zedruu in the aggro an see how that helps. Just looking at the aggro list, it seems that it needs another source of damage besides the jinxed idol that is pretty constant or something to put pressure on the opponent.