Quote from KevinliuI actually really like this deck idea. It reminds of Caleb Durward's powerful blue zoo deck but instead of zoo it's the Rock.
With that said, I think if you want to beat combo decks, I would perhaps suggest to add more black sources of mana to the deck and run discard in the form of hymn to tourach, thoughteize, and inquisition of Koziliek.
Quote from KevinliuYeah, I understand the purpose of Bitterblossom and as well as it's very powerful with equipment. However, I am not really sure if he actually needs bitterblossom just some disruption to shore up the combo matchup which is the original plan. Both hymn to tourach and thoughtseize can already disrupt combo decks pretty heavily preboard and also post supplemented with other cards that he boards in. Not to mention, he can play knight and go get a maze of ith or tabernacle to protect Jace from opposing creatures. Don't get me wrong, I think bitterblossom is a great card but I don't think it's actually needed in this deck with the core of creatures this deck has.
Quote from OatusI was just mentioning the interaction with BB, I was highlighting cabal therapy (if you have sick reads then therapy is pretty insane) [note: i have terrible read skillz]
i typically ran 7-9 hand disruption spells
2 cabal therapy
if you are playing blue i could see trinket mage for ee making the deck, which would let you sideboard some bullets like needle and crypt [both help against combo]
Quote from Rith-ShadowbaneI loved this decklist the minute that I saw it. My first critique though, is why do you need the Sylvan Librarys? You already have four Jaces + four Bobs to draw you extra cards. Granted, I guess it does work well for loaming crap off the top.
How exactly does that stack anyways? Draw for turn, library library (replaced by Loam) -> Dredge three, then the only two actual cards "drawn" back on top of deck? Or loam first, look at the top two and put them back in any order. Assuming of course you're not paying the life. Or how best are you abusing this to dig?
How often does Tranquil Thicket do something for you? I love the card most certainly, but it seems a little odd as a one-of even with two ways to dig it up beyond the super-slow path of Knight`ing for it and Wasteland.
Anyways, to my point: how much consideration have you given to stuffing in Hymn or the like? It'd not be able to reach critical mass with as many slots as you already have given over to the manabase, and as such I'd either replace the Libraries with more Chalices since you so nicely dodge the 1-drop spot and have Moxen to get them out on the first turn, or stuffing in an extra Vindicate as this seems to be very removal light for a rock list. Then again, Jace can bounce stuff.. so interesting. Got any favorite play stories to share?
Quote from weltkrieghonestly, this deck seems like it would be a dog to stax strategies, dragon stompy, burn, and maybe the mighty quinn. That said, if these aren't in your meta, then I guess it doesn't matter! Anything that can turn off your mana base, or use it against you and win quickly is going to make your life mighty sad.
Quote from Malacoda7 fetches with Loam is ridiculous. You need more duals or you're going to kill yourself as well as fetch yourself out. I run only 4 green fetches in my actual Lands build. That said, I like the idea. It reminds me of Landstill - primarily control, with Loam. You're primarily aggro, with Loam.
Quote from fistsofthorWhat would you recommend for the manabase? I could cut 1 fetchland for a second bayou.
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Lands 25:4x Wasteland1x Forest1x Bayou3x Savannah3x Tropical Island1x Misty Rainforest1x Windswept Heath1x Verdant Catacombs1x Horizon Canopy1x Karakas3x Maze of Ith2x Tolaria West1x Tranquil Thicket1x Volrath's Stronghold1x Academy Ruins
Took out excess fetches for more Mazes - they're that good. You don't need Tower of the Magistrate maindeck, so I would replace it with Academy Ruins since you have some nice recurrable artifacts.