Well, obviously people still have interest in this deck since no one has any clue what the most up to date version is and they keep nagging me to see the list. Just as reference, here's the most up to date version.
Not much has changed (though I'm not aware how different you expected it to be) besides the Show and Tell as a 1'of, which can put a wurm into play or a progenitus.
I hope this appeases your curiosity. Enjoy.
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Looks like the idea is to use fast mana to accelerate a Nefarious Lich into play, then cast a Nourishing Shoal, exiling Autochthon Wurm or Progenitus to draw 15/10 cards. This draws you into more fast mana and ideally more Shoals/Green Fat to keep drawing and eventually aim a huge Brain Freeze at your opponent for the win.
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isn't this the same deck from the guy that got banned from the TheSource?
I kind of liked the deck before it had blue in it, if its the same deck i remember seeing on The Source couple years back.
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Does this work with words of worship like I think it does for basically replacing itself over and over as long as you have mana?
Not quite. Once a replacement effect has applied to an event, it can't apply again to the same event. So with Words and Lich out, you can turn a regular card draw into lifegain into card draw, or lifegain into card draw into life gain, but it won't go any further than that.
Not quite. Once a replacement effect has applied to an event, it can't apply again to the same event. So with Words and Lich out, you can turn a regular card draw into lifegain into card draw, or lifegain into card draw into life gain, but it won't go any further than that.
Yea but every time I pay mana, I make more replacement effects. Words of Worship isn't one replacement, it's as many as I pay for.
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What's the big deal? You could have played multiple Righteous Avengers for years now.
Cept for one thing, Nefarious Lich sucks. Youd be better off trying to show a griselbreand in and using the shoal combo to storm out.
But how can it suck? It dodges Swords to Plowshares *and* Abrupt Decay?
Seriously though, I tried the deck a few years back. Would not recommend. The real issue lies with its draw engine:
3 Card Combo
Cards don't do anything on their own
Incredibly color restrictive
Compare to Ad Nauseum
1 Card
Less mana intensive
or Griselbrand
2 card combo (either Entomb/Reanimate effect or Show and Tell + Griselbrand)
Both are incredibly color light (2U or (1)BB)
Big picture, I'd rather be playing any other combo deck.
But how can it suck? It dodges Swords to Plowshares *and* Abrupt Decay?
Seriously though, I tried the deck a few years back. Would not recommend. The real issue lies with its draw engine:
3 Card Combo
Cards don't do anything on their own
Incredibly color restrictive
Compare to Ad Nauseum
1 Card
Less mana intensive
or Griselbrand
2 card combo (either Entomb/Reanimate effect or Show and Tell + Griselbrand)
Both are incredibly color light (2U or (1)BB)
Big picture, I'd rather be playing any other combo deck.
I do totally admit what you said, but never the less you gave 2 good arguments with swords and abrupt decay proof.
An other argument that could also be added is Talia isn't a big threat to the deck and most of the aggro deck run 4 Talia, also if you change the Autochthon Wurm by worldspine wurm you also have an auto win in game 1 against Sneak and show. You'll win everyrun with the wurm dropped on an opponent's S&T.
Now the bad news is still your other argument. It's two slow to win against tempo deck which are the most common deck on top 8, and you're slower than elves with no answer against it...
But i agree with mugenkira with the fact that this is one of the greatest things i've everseen.
I was thinking about Second Sunrise and faith's reward to bring back lands sacked with Zuran Orb, and some LED or LoPetal to provide the mana.
And sunspring expedition with 3 lands it's like 14 cards for every SS or FR.
But that was just a thought... (I realized you're gonna be sensitive to grave hate.... so bad idea)
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
2 Bayou
2 Scrubland
4 Underground Sea
4 Swamp
Creatures:
3 Autochthon Wurm
1 Progenitus
Spells:
2 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Nefarious Lich
4 Brainstorm
1 Mox Diamond
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Nourishing Shoal
2 Zuran Orb
2 Brain Freeze
2 Summoner's Pact
1 Show and Tell
4 Thoughtseize
2 Ponder
3 Krosan Grip
3 Meddling Mage
3 Library of Leng
3 Pact of Negation
3 Smother
Not much has changed (though I'm not aware how different you expected it to be) besides the Show and Tell as a 1'of, which can put a wurm into play or a progenitus.
I hope this appeases your curiosity. Enjoy.
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StaffLooks like the idea is to use fast mana to accelerate a Nefarious Lich into play, then cast a Nourishing Shoal, exiling Autochthon Wurm or Progenitus to draw 15/10 cards. This draws you into more fast mana and ideally more Shoals/Green Fat to keep drawing and eventually aim a huge Brain Freeze at your opponent for the win.
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I kind of liked the deck before it had blue in it, if its the same deck i remember seeing on The Source couple years back.
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Not quite. Once a replacement effect has applied to an event, it can't apply again to the same event. So with Words and Lich out, you can turn a regular card draw into lifegain into card draw, or lifegain into card draw into life gain, but it won't go any further than that.
Yea but every time I pay mana, I make more replacement effects. Words of Worship isn't one replacement, it's as many as I pay for.
If wizards would print a green, black and white version of Hydroblast and Blue Elemental Blast Painter could be done in every color.
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BGURWDredgeWRUGB
But how can it suck? It dodges Swords to Plowshares *and* Abrupt Decay?
Seriously though, I tried the deck a few years back. Would not recommend. The real issue lies with its draw engine:
3 Card Combo
Cards don't do anything on their own
Incredibly color restrictive
Compare to Ad Nauseum
1 Card
Less mana intensive
or Griselbrand
2 card combo (either Entomb/Reanimate effect or Show and Tell + Griselbrand)
Both are incredibly color light (2U or (1)BB)
Big picture, I'd rather be playing any other combo deck.
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I do totally admit what you said, but never the less you gave 2 good arguments with swords and abrupt decay proof.
An other argument that could also be added is Talia isn't a big threat to the deck and most of the aggro deck run 4 Talia, also if you change the Autochthon Wurm by worldspine wurm you also have an auto win in game 1 against Sneak and show. You'll win everyrun with the wurm dropped on an opponent's S&T.
Now the bad news is still your other argument. It's two slow to win against tempo deck which are the most common deck on top 8, and you're slower than elves with no answer against it...
But i agree with mugenkira with the fact that this is one of the greatest things i've everseen.
I was thinking about Second Sunrise and faith's reward to bring back lands sacked with Zuran Orb, and some LED or LoPetal to provide the mana.
And sunspring expedition with 3 lands it's like 14 cards for every SS or FR.
But that was just a thought... (I realized you're gonna be sensitive to grave hate.... so bad idea)