Im interested in building an aggro deck, i tried to build one myself, and figured it wasnt very good (here it is: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-07-16-red-aggro/ ), so i looked into some other aggro decks that other people recommended to me, and they were all over $200, and i dont have that kind of money to spend on a magic deck, so does anyone have some good aggro deck builds i could look at that dont cost a lot? Like below $80 or so? Also any tips on what i should do while really building a good first deck? Thanks
Legacy and cheap is usually not synonymous. Burn is considered the entry level deck and, as mentioned, will still run around $200. Having said that, it's not a BAD choice, if you learn to pilot it extremely well, you can post results. But it is kind of your cheapest option. Next cheapest....probably fish? Elves isn't too bad once you get past the Gaea's Cradles. Of course, at that point you can also consider the more popular Death and Taxes. But burn is kind of where you're going to start.
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Im interested in building an aggro deck, i tried to build one myself, and figured it wasnt very good (here it is: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-07-16-red-aggro/ ), so i looked into some other aggro decks that other people recommended to me, and they were all over $200, and i dont have that kind of money to spend on a magic deck, so does anyone have some good aggro deck builds i could look at that dont cost a lot? Like below $80 or so? Also any tips on what i should do while really building a good first deck? Thanks
Legacy is not a format that's cheap upfront. The cheapest deck that's effective is probably Burn and that's going to cost you $400 for a non fetch build. Long term Legacy is very inexpensive to keep up with but just jumping in isn't cheap. $80 won't get you anything, it won't get you a Modern deck either. Your best bet would either be to build Standard or EDH. Alternatively, proxy Legacy decks, find one you like, and then start building into it slowly. That's what most of us who have been playing Legacy for a couple years now did. It's rare for someone to just jump into any format.
I will say though that my opinion on budget is this: You have $80 right now, if you buy a whole bunch of $80 budget cards to throw together something that's technically Legacy that just leaves you $80 further away from having a real deck.
Standard is the opposite, the initial buy in is fairly low but because of the 6 month rotation schedule and the nature of rotation itself, you have to be prepared for everything you buy to lose value. Standard is a treadmill where you never get anywhere. You pay inflated costs on cards because rotation hasn't happened, you get the cards, and then 6 months later that $100 you spent is only worth $2 and you have to spend another $100 to have another deck.
That's why people like non rotating formats like Legacy, once you have something you have it, and usually card values remain steady (ideally, or less ideally increase) so you can always trade or sell out later.
On a limited budget I think it's best to play Legacy or Modern, but you have to be patient with building your deck. There are however a bunch of budget EDH decks which as a format has the non rotating aspect, but are still nearly as popular as standard, but in exchange the format lacks competitiveness and is often times multiplayer.
Well, even a cheap standard deck will run you at least that much. Sometimes you get lucky and there's a viable super-budget standard deck like U/W humans in Theros block. Other times, the cheapest competitive deck you can build is going to run you $150+. The other tradeoff is that the deck will eventually rotate out of standard and you'll have to choose a new one.
My advice to you would be to study the various winning decks in standard if you're looking to play on a budget and learn what really makes them tick. Learn what cards are absolutely essential to the deck being able to function, and then look at possible substitutions for everything else. Sometimes substitutes can actually be better choices in a given meta or depending on the other cards you've opted for.
In Legacy, however, substitutes often result in a performance disadvantage that is too severe to ignore. If your deck plays Brainstorm, for example, you simply can't get around using fetchlands because the advantage gained from Brainstorm/fetching is simply too great, and the drawback to having to search for only basic lands with something like Evolving Wilds, on top of it only coming into play tapped is equally great. However, in standard, Brainstorm isn't a card, and evolving wilds might be an acceptable substitute, albeit a bit on the slow side of things. In legacy, you could substitute dual lands with shocklands, but decks are so efficient and powerful that you're basically handing burn/delver decks free wins when you start shocking yourself, and other decks need every point of life to be available to their engines (Ad-Nauseum based decks). This means that in budget Legacy, you are going to be look at decks that don't run dual lands or fetches, which limits you to mono colored choices. Of these, you have Death and Taxes, High Tide (without Candlesticks of course), Burn, Elves, and....pox/the gate?
Death and Taxes needs Rishadan Ports, Stoneforge Mystics, and Karakas. High Tide needs Force of Will. Elves needs Gaea's Cradles. Pox/the Gate might be an option, but most of them run LoTV....so that leaves you with Burn, which some play wasteland (which fortunately got a reprint). The good news is there's enough powerful burn spells that there are some simple substitutions (like Monastary Swiftspear instead of Goblin Guide). Just don't skip on the Eidolon of Great Revels, they are pretty much mandatory. Anyway, with Legacy, once you build the deck, it will never rotate and require minor updates here and there, the downside is it can take people years to accumulate everything they need to play the Legacy deck they really want to play. It took me 2 years to build Storm (5 years if you count foiling it out). You might also look into Pox/the Gate, while most run LotV, rumor has it the newest Lili is actually pretty good in it.
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If a close, personal friend of mine wanted to play Legacy on an extreme budget and asked my advice, I'd make what might be a controversial suggestion.
Buy a big set of Chinese fakes (if you can figure out where), write an "F" on the back of them with a sharpie (so they don't get traded someday for someone's real cards), and slide them into some sleeves. Try Dragon Shields because as the panes get scratched and discolored with age it'll become all but impossible to distinguish between these and the genuine article. Build whatever you want and still have enough cash left over to go to Starbucks.
Would that be wrong?
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Buy a big set of Chinese fakes .... Would that be wrong?
<Nope, if the fakes are good enough to resemble the real thing, and judge's have no problem with them (they can't tell either, and/or proxy rules etc.), then I see no problem with this at all.>
Everyone wants to play MTG on the cheap - if Wizards could just mass-print the staples for the cheap the game would be better for it, but unfortunately the collectors blah blah politics blah.....
I for one don't care if my expensive cards were suddenly worth only $1, if it meant I could now afford all the staples of the format.
Warning issued for advocating the use of counterfeit cards.
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If a close, personal friend of mine wanted to play Legacy on an extreme budget and asked my advice, I'd make what might be a controversial suggestion.
Buy a big set of Chinese fakes (if you can figure out where), write an "F" on the back of them with a sharpie (so they don't get traded someday for someone's real cards), and slide them into some sleeves. Try Dragon Shields because as the panes get scratched and discolored with age it'll become all but impossible to distinguish between these and the genuine article. Build whatever you want and still have enough cash left over to go to Starbucks.
Would that be wrong?
It's not an ideal solution, but that's certainly one way to play the format. Just don't tell the judges.
Warning issued for advocating the use of counterfeit cards.
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Talking about proxies is one thing, and we can even have discussions about counterfeits with regards to their impact on the game, but advocating buying counterfeit cards is something MTGS cannot allow. Thread locked.
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Legacy is not a format that's cheap upfront. The cheapest deck that's effective is probably Burn and that's going to cost you $400 for a non fetch build. Long term Legacy is very inexpensive to keep up with but just jumping in isn't cheap. $80 won't get you anything, it won't get you a Modern deck either. Your best bet would either be to build Standard or EDH. Alternatively, proxy Legacy decks, find one you like, and then start building into it slowly. That's what most of us who have been playing Legacy for a couple years now did. It's rare for someone to just jump into any format.
I will say though that my opinion on budget is this: You have $80 right now, if you buy a whole bunch of $80 budget cards to throw together something that's technically Legacy that just leaves you $80 further away from having a real deck.
That's why people like non rotating formats like Legacy, once you have something you have it, and usually card values remain steady (ideally, or less ideally increase) so you can always trade or sell out later.
On a limited budget I think it's best to play Legacy or Modern, but you have to be patient with building your deck. There are however a bunch of budget EDH decks which as a format has the non rotating aspect, but are still nearly as popular as standard, but in exchange the format lacks competitiveness and is often times multiplayer.
My advice to you would be to study the various winning decks in standard if you're looking to play on a budget and learn what really makes them tick. Learn what cards are absolutely essential to the deck being able to function, and then look at possible substitutions for everything else. Sometimes substitutes can actually be better choices in a given meta or depending on the other cards you've opted for.
In Legacy, however, substitutes often result in a performance disadvantage that is too severe to ignore. If your deck plays Brainstorm, for example, you simply can't get around using fetchlands because the advantage gained from Brainstorm/fetching is simply too great, and the drawback to having to search for only basic lands with something like Evolving Wilds, on top of it only coming into play tapped is equally great. However, in standard, Brainstorm isn't a card, and evolving wilds might be an acceptable substitute, albeit a bit on the slow side of things. In legacy, you could substitute dual lands with shocklands, but decks are so efficient and powerful that you're basically handing burn/delver decks free wins when you start shocking yourself, and other decks need every point of life to be available to their engines (Ad-Nauseum based decks). This means that in budget Legacy, you are going to be look at decks that don't run dual lands or fetches, which limits you to mono colored choices. Of these, you have Death and Taxes, High Tide (without Candlesticks of course), Burn, Elves, and....pox/the gate?
Death and Taxes needs Rishadan Ports, Stoneforge Mystics, and Karakas. High Tide needs Force of Will. Elves needs Gaea's Cradles. Pox/the Gate might be an option, but most of them run LoTV....so that leaves you with Burn, which some play wasteland (which fortunately got a reprint). The good news is there's enough powerful burn spells that there are some simple substitutions (like Monastary Swiftspear instead of Goblin Guide). Just don't skip on the Eidolon of Great Revels, they are pretty much mandatory. Anyway, with Legacy, once you build the deck, it will never rotate and require minor updates here and there, the downside is it can take people years to accumulate everything they need to play the Legacy deck they really want to play. It took me 2 years to build Storm (5 years if you count foiling it out). You might also look into Pox/the Gate, while most run LotV, rumor has it the newest Lili is actually pretty good in it.
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Buy a big set of Chinese fakes (if you can figure out where), write an "F" on the back of them with a sharpie (so they don't get traded someday for someone's real cards), and slide them into some sleeves. Try Dragon Shields because as the panes get scratched and discolored with age it'll become all but impossible to distinguish between these and the genuine article. Build whatever you want and still have enough cash left over to go to Starbucks.
Would that be wrong?
Suspension issued for promotion of illegal activity.
- Teia
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Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
<Nope, if the fakes are good enough to resemble the real thing, and judge's have no problem with them (they can't tell either, and/or proxy rules etc.), then I see no problem with this at all.>
Everyone wants to play MTG on the cheap - if Wizards could just mass-print the staples for the cheap the game would be better for it, but unfortunately the collectors blah blah politics blah.....
I for one don't care if my expensive cards were suddenly worth only $1, if it meant I could now afford all the staples of the format.
Warning issued for advocating the use of counterfeit cards.
- Teia
It's not an ideal solution, but that's certainly one way to play the format. Just don't tell the judges.
Warning issued for advocating the use of counterfeit cards.
- Teia