Mastodon, you'd be surprised how many of the GP DC Top 8-16 decks played 4 True-Name Nemesis (and the answer is not 0). None of them were Merfolk, and at least 1 of them was Stoneblade.
Nemesis was pretty successful at GP DC because there were a lot of fair decks, and Nemesis gives fair decks a pretty hard time. Multiple Nemeses are pretty brutal (probably a reason to go up to the full playset--having a backup Nemesis after the first one dies also helps).
I think Nemesis's role in Stoneblade (that it carved out with its sheer power) is to be the nearly immovable wall, guaranteed Jitte charger, and resilient (but not fast) win con. Nemesis is probably reduced to immovable wall and resilient win con in other midrange and resilient win con in tempo and Merfolk.
True Name Nemesis, I believe is here to stay in Legacy. I was reading on The Source all the problems it causes (fair decks obviously). It is a good card. I had the pleasure of playing against it locally (I am playing Miracles) so it wasn't that bad, but the card is no slouch either. I watched many games as TNN wielding an equipment completely mangled opponents, let alone 2 on board. This card is serious.
I still don't get the hype. I never saw this as a bad card, but I still don't think it's nearly as great as people are making it out to be. It's not like you're shoving 4 of these in any deck (besides maybe merfolk, which is debatable even still). It's not a significant role player in any deck which many established decks already have, and as we've already pointed out, it's terrible against decks that aren't playing fair magic. I think it's success over the weekend was just attributed to feature matches being fair matches...there was also a serious lack of sweepers and edicts, which is unusual in most meta game, especially with the rise in popularity of BG/x decks.
Again, not saying it's bad, but it's about on par with scavenging ooze in terms of it's impact on legacy. As always, people hype things up a lot when they're new.
In fair matchups playing this and equipping will often end the game on the spot. That means that it is much more important than scavenging ooze.
He's basically impossible to get rid of. All of the ways listed are rarely run in top tier legacy decks. uw miracles won't have trouble with it. But other decks can't deal with him. Even liliana... What happens if there's more than one creature on the other side of the board. U edict and true name kills her next turn. So thanks for the 3 mana progenitus mark!!
Fairly certain it says target opponent so as not to be completely broken in multiplayer edh, or at least that is what I would assume as this set was designed as an edh set first, and everything else secondary. By targeting, it also opens itself up to some preventative measures such as enchantments that prevent players from being targeted, etc.
It's important to note that the equipment itself is still vulnerable to the standard Abrupt Decay and other answers.
Blowing up the equipment during combat isn't as big of a blowout against Nemesis than it is against other creatures, and this is key. Nemesis still proceeds to pass by unblocked or block like a king, while others suddenly die to removal or blockers/attackers.
splash black and run infest. or zealous persecution. or any other number of -1/-1 things. it seems like a pain in the ass, but there are definitely ways to deal with it.
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Again, not saying it's bad, but it's about on par with scavenging ooze in terms of it's impact on legacy. As always, people hype things up a lot when they're new.
I think it's a bit better than Ooze, but, drawing a second Ooze is pretty bad - it's redundant as grave-hate or life gain and they use the same resource pool to grow. And, since the major Ooze deck was a GSZ deck, you could handily avoid this while having virtual 5 copies. The second Nemesis is great - as long as you can curve into it, they're better together. It's easy to play blue midrange/control and have one guy out against multiple dudes, where you can't race, e.g., a Goyf. The second Nemesis lets you do that - having a second one is even better aggressively, defensively, and in between.
So Ooze went big and 1-2 made sense as a utility creatures. Nemesis is big and 3-4 make sense in more decks. Waayy more demand.
As has been stated, true name is amazing versus fair decks and bad versus combo and miracles (countertop is kind of a combo anyways). It seems dumb to print a creature of this sort at this time. Sam Blacks deck was designed with 7 ways to cast True-Name on turn 2, showing that Nemesis is a here to stay format warping, fair deck destroying ripple in the legacy meta. The only way to get it? A commander precon.
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Am i the only person that thinks this card is completely overrated?
Dont get me wrong the protection from a player is extremely strong and isn't something to be ignored and it will change legacy forever. Well as long as it doesnt get banned, even though i dont think it deserves the ban hammer. There are so many cards that kill this that are good against many other cards anyways. All of the -x/-x effects not only kill this but they can be very good against mother, bob, goyfvgoyf, goblins, strix, lingeringsouls tokens and much much more. Its not really a hindrance to be playing most of these cards, especially since hardly any of these cards actually hinder their respective decks game plans.
And in my opinion its to slow and clunky for the delver decks, thats just me tho.
As has been stated, true name is amazing versus fair decks and bad versus combo and miracles (countertop is kind of a combo anyways).
I wouldn't say it's bad against Miracles.
Nimble Mongoose is one of the scariest creatures a Miracle deck can face (after Gaddock Teeg and Dark Confidant), and True-Name Nemesis compares favorably to it. It doesn't come down as early, but it hits for three right away, is easier to cast through Counterbalance, doesn't get nerfed by Rest in Peace, and can't get blocked by a Clique or anything else.
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Back to what lectrys said, fair decks were a little bit more prominent for the GP. Out of all the coverage I watched, I didn't even once see TNN get countered, which is just as good an answer as any. Nor did they show how miserably bad it was during combo match ups. I also didn't see a single liliana, or any edict, all weekend, not even out the few BUG games I saw, and there were plenty of times where it was their only dude in play. Granted, I didn't catch all the coverage, but definitely a lot of it. It was almost as if the coverage was intentionally trying to hype this card.
Regardless, I know I, for one, don't mind it being in the format: all three of the decks I'm playing have little reason to care about a TNN, so if you wanna slam 4 in your list, go right ahead
Back to what lectrys said, fair decks were a little bit more prominent for the GP. Out of all the coverage I watched, I didn't even once see TNN get countered, which is just as good an answer as any. Nor did they show how miserably bad it was during combo match ups. I also didn't see a single liliana, or any edict, all weekend, not even out the few BUG games I saw, and there were plenty of times where it was their only dude in play. Granted, I didn't catch all the coverage, but definitely a lot of it. It was almost as if the coverage was intentionally trying to hype this card.
Regardless, I know I, for one, don't mind it being in the format: all three of the decks I'm playing have little reason to care about a TNN, so if you wanna slam 4 in your list, go right ahead
18 TNN in the top 16 at GPDC. That's more than one a deck on average. Overrated or not, it gets results.
If you are running a deck that A) plays blue and B) is "fair" your gonna run TNN. Its not really that relevant if your running combo but anything else is gonna want it. The only relevant fair deck that is tier 1 in legacy and doesn't run blue now is DandT. The double blue is probably enough to keep it out of the deck, other wise it would be there too. Its an eternal blocker and carries equipment like a champ. Its been in existence for little over a month and it immediately found its way into the best fair decks in a Legacy GP for goodness' sakes. I'm not sure you can overrate this card. Sure you can over pay for it, but that's it. Sooooo much potential.
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It's not really that relevant if you are running combo, but anything else is going to want it.
That point is meaningless. All combo decks only want creatures if they are part of the combo. Otherwise that space is better suited to protection/tutor/combo piece.
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you can always dump legacy for modern, no true name nemesis in that format.
until true name nemesis is reprinted in 2016/M16, like they did with scavenging ooze in m14.
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you can always dump legacy for modern, no true name nemesis in that format.
until true name nemesis is reprinted in 2016/M16, like they did with scavenging ooze in m14.
Aside from the other problems associated with Modern, leaving Legacy for Modern because of one card (True-Name Nemesis) makes no sense. The complaint most people have with True-Name Nemesis is that it reduces interaction, so the solution is clearly not to switch to a format that is even less interactive (despite the absence of TNN).
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Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
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Nemesis was pretty successful at GP DC because there were a lot of fair decks, and Nemesis gives fair decks a pretty hard time. Multiple Nemeses are pretty brutal (probably a reason to go up to the full playset--having a backup Nemesis after the first one dies also helps).
I think Nemesis's role in Stoneblade (that it carved out with its sheer power) is to be the nearly immovable wall, guaranteed Jitte charger, and resilient (but not fast) win con. Nemesis is probably reduced to immovable wall and resilient win con in other midrange and resilient win con in tempo and Merfolk.
The price may eventually reach the $60 range, but gouging hot cards at large events is as old as the Pro Tour.
I remember reading Mark Rosewater's article on targeting. Have any of the designers commented on why TNN doesn't say "choose target opponent"?
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/188
What True-Name Nemesis does is convert any equipment deck into combo finish against fair decks
Equip True-Name = GG
In fair matchups playing this and equipping will often end the game on the spot. That means that it is much more important than scavenging ooze.
Fairly certain it says target opponent so as not to be completely broken in multiplayer edh, or at least that is what I would assume as this set was designed as an edh set first, and everything else secondary. By targeting, it also opens itself up to some preventative measures such as enchantments that prevent players from being targeted, etc.
It's important to note that the equipment itself is still vulnerable to the standard Abrupt Decay and other answers.
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Blowing up the equipment during combat isn't as big of a blowout against Nemesis than it is against other creatures, and this is key. Nemesis still proceeds to pass by unblocked or block like a king, while others suddenly die to removal or blockers/attackers.
I think it's a bit better than Ooze, but, drawing a second Ooze is pretty bad - it's redundant as grave-hate or life gain and they use the same resource pool to grow. And, since the major Ooze deck was a GSZ deck, you could handily avoid this while having virtual 5 copies. The second Nemesis is great - as long as you can curve into it, they're better together. It's easy to play blue midrange/control and have one guy out against multiple dudes, where you can't race, e.g., a Goyf. The second Nemesis lets you do that - having a second one is even better aggressively, defensively, and in between.
So Ooze went big and 1-2 made sense as a utility creatures. Nemesis is big and 3-4 make sense in more decks. Waayy more demand.
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Dont get me wrong the protection from a player is extremely strong and isn't something to be ignored and it will change legacy forever. Well as long as it doesnt get banned, even though i dont think it deserves the ban hammer. There are so many cards that kill this that are good against many other cards anyways. All of the -x/-x effects not only kill this but they can be very good against mother, bob, goyfvgoyf, goblins, strix, lingeringsouls tokens and much much more. Its not really a hindrance to be playing most of these cards, especially since hardly any of these cards actually hinder their respective decks game plans.
And in my opinion its to slow and clunky for the delver decks, thats just me tho.
I wouldn't say it's bad against Miracles.
Nimble Mongoose is one of the scariest creatures a Miracle deck can face (after Gaddock Teeg and Dark Confidant), and True-Name Nemesis compares favorably to it. It doesn't come down as early, but it hits for three right away, is easier to cast through Counterbalance, doesn't get nerfed by Rest in Peace, and can't get blocked by a Clique or anything else.
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No, I also think it's overrated.
Back to what lectrys said, fair decks were a little bit more prominent for the GP. Out of all the coverage I watched, I didn't even once see TNN get countered, which is just as good an answer as any. Nor did they show how miserably bad it was during combo match ups. I also didn't see a single liliana, or any edict, all weekend, not even out the few BUG games I saw, and there were plenty of times where it was their only dude in play. Granted, I didn't catch all the coverage, but definitely a lot of it. It was almost as if the coverage was intentionally trying to hype this card.
Regardless, I know I, for one, don't mind it being in the format: all three of the decks I'm playing have little reason to care about a TNN, so if you wanna slam 4 in your list, go right ahead
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18 TNN in the top 16 at GPDC. That's more than one a deck on average. Overrated or not, it gets results.
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That point is meaningless. All combo decks only want creatures if they are part of the combo. Otherwise that space is better suited to protection/tutor/combo piece.
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Pod Fit is a fair deck that wont run TNN, but then again its more of a toolbox-esque deck....
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Aside from the other problems associated with Modern, leaving Legacy for Modern because of one card (True-Name Nemesis) makes no sense. The complaint most people have with True-Name Nemesis is that it reduces interaction, so the solution is clearly not to switch to a format that is even less interactive (despite the absence of TNN).
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Junk PodMagic: the BuylistingI thought we were listing decks with blue (and "fair") that doesn't run TNN.
So far none, outside of Macius suggesting Pod (I have no idea what colors this deck runs).