right now seems like a pretty good time to buy in, as people sell their stuff for christmas.
Trying to buy a set of foil brainstorms, but none of the ebay auctions offer shipping outside the US...
i will probably sell the stuff i dont need around april next year
In my opinion there shouldn't be legacy cards, that cost more than 40 €. There are only two reasons that can happen:
1. The card is OP
2. The supply is lacking/missing
So my suggesting is the following: If a card costs more than 50 € wizzard should either reprint or just ban it. This way you would also encourage deck building, because there wouldn't be that much auto-include cards arround and the banned cards would only lose little value, because of the collector-price.
Really, this is why modern was created. You do this to legacy and people will be extremely P.O.'d.
In my opinion there shouldn't be legacy cards, that cost more than 40 €. There are only two reasons that can happen:
1. The card is OP
2. The supply is lacking/missing
So my suggesting is the following: If a card costs more than 50 € wizzard should either reprint or just ban it. This way you would also encourage deck building, because there wouldn't be that much auto-include cards arround and the banned cards would only lose little value, because of the collector-price.
So many people that play legacy pick up their cards with intentions of using them for a long time or being able to trade them later because legacy staples usually hold their value. I basically traded the majority of my decent cards for a playset of Force of Will, if it were banned I'd have a really hard time being able to make a competitive deck for any format and I wouldn't really be able to play anymore aside from casual and draft. I think there are a lot of people out there with legacy staples that feel the same way. I'm not really against reprints though, unfortunately the reserved list is..
To be totally honest I think that the prices are just stupid.
Is magic really supposed to be a game where only people with money can be competitive?
It seems so to me.
After reading through this I'm still somewhat happy, there are at least a few people here with duals and stuff that wouldn't mind a reprint just because it would bring more people which would be nice for the format.
What doesn't make sense is, it costs so much money to play in legacy and wizards aren't really making money off of it. I mean their overall goal is to make money off of the game, not reprinting legacy staples just doesn't make sense because otherwise there really isn't many other ways for them to make money off of legacy. They should just reprint the cards they can, and then start making cards that do basically the same thing as the ones on the reserved list. Why not print duals that can't be fetched?? They're worse than the originals and would probably drop the price of the originals. Instead of needing 3-4 original duals in a deck you would only need 1-2 to be able to fetch them and then fill out the deck with the new ones.
There's plenty of options for wizards to make the format more accessible, they just don't seem to be trying at all. It doesn't make sense, there's so much money they could be making off of the format. Maybe they're worried that making legacy more accessible would make every other format less popular?
I started playing the summer of this year and I wish I had started 2 years prior. The cost of staples like Wasteland, FoW, Duals, Fetch's, and many more are at an insane price when compared to how much they were 2 years ago. I do not have a strong grasp of economic's so I won't speculate how this happened. My first build was for standard and very quickly I learned to dislike how cards rotate thus making your investment less fruitful. So I changed to Legacy and built a Dredge list since it was cheap, fun to play, and imho thought intensive. Now I'm building a Deadguy Ale deck and my reasoning is investment. As someone stated before once a card goes up (Not b/c of Standard) it will more then likely not decrease more then 20-30%. With that said I'm trying to buy in now and even pick up things like Lim-Dul's Vault in-case they spike. Even tho I'm putting a lot of cash into Legacy now I'm all for reprinting even if it effects the cards I've bought. Why? B/c I whole heartily agree with the sentiment that over priced cards are bad for the format. This game already has enough Elitist and everyone should have a chance to play competitively regardless of cost if they are truly dedicated to the game/format. If you think this is possible with the current prices you're kidding yourself. This limits the game from producing new idea's, strategies, and unique decks with new direction. The more people who have access to things the more well educated people will become and thus more idea's will be born.
Sagara, I agree with you but if you play or want to play competitively there's a very small window to what you can use and be successful with.
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How cant anybody see, that this cards powerlevel is way above legacys level. Its even restricted in vintage.
You know this actually used to be a cheap format. I remember back when people could get a playset of Wasteland for about $60. Now just one copy of it costs that much. LED used to be $20-$25. Goyf was worth as half as he is now. All the duals were about worth as half as they are now. This all changed once SCG started doing legacy events. SCG is imo caused more problems for the format more than it helped. Getting exposure for the format is great except it caused a lot of staple cards to inflate preventing newer players from getting into the format.
You know this actually used to be a cheap format. I remember back when people could get a playset of Wasteland for about $60. Now just one copy of it costs that much. LED used to be $20-$25. Goyf was worth as half as he is now. All the duals were about worth as half as they are now. This all changed once SCG started doing legacy events. SCG is imo caused more problems for the format more than it helped. Getting exposure for the format is great except it caused a lot of staple cards to inflate preventing newer players from getting into the format.
The goyf being half is due to modern. You can blame modern for that doubling price hike.
You know this actually used to be a cheap format. I remember back when people could get a playset of Wasteland for about $60. Now just one copy of it costs that much. LED used to be $20-$25. Goyf was worth as half as he is now. All the duals were about worth as half as they are now. This all changed once SCG started doing legacy events. SCG is imo caused more problems for the format more than it helped. Getting exposure for the format is great except it caused a lot of staple cards to inflate preventing newer players from getting into the format.
It's kind of bitter sweet. In terms of prices it definitely didn't help but back when legacy was cheap, where I live, if I wanted to play in a tournament the only choice I had was to wait for a once a year tournament that was a four hour drive away. It's really nice actually being able to play my favourite format.
The really unfortunate thing about legacy is that eventually even the cheaper decks to choose from will be unreasonably priced (unless wizards starts reprinting more legacy staples).
I would rather die than exist in a world where bad cards were moderately expensive and good cards were cheap and unused.
Most dramatic post ever on these forums. If everybody had access to the same card pool and it always came down to the skill of the players involved, how would that be a bad thing.
Many people would like to play the eternal formats competitively without shelling out hundreds of dollars.
There are different ways to help out these people, from banning a certain $90 card we all know to telling people they should blow their savings on cardboard to try out a hobby they don't know if they even enjoy yet.
I'm proposing a compromise. I propose the idea of Wizards printing replacements for these very expensive cards that are slightly worse than the cards they replace.
In the end people who spent more money on the game than other people will have a slight advantage over the rest, rather than having the "infinite" advantage of being the only ones who can play competitively.
The ideas are usually simple, asking for some ping damage (or more ping damage):
Force of Will: Same card but you pay 2 (or even 3 maybe) life.
Shocklands: Same cards but you pay 3 (or more I guess) life. example: Steam Vents
Dual Lands: Same cards but you pay 1 (or more) life when they come into play. example: Tropical Island
Tarmogoyf (aka Oops, our game largely revolves around a $90 mistake): suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe make it cost GG (might be too much of a nerf).
Dark Confidant: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe not necessary with Phyexian Arena. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
Jace, the Mind Sculptor: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe costing one more colorless. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
Thoughtseize: Maybe the same idea of losing 1 additional life.
Vendilion Clique: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe costing one more colorless. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
Distribution: Especially for Modern, Wizards could probably get behind releasing a "Pro Starter Kit: Modern" with playsets of these budget alternative cards (Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Shock Lands, etc.).
A "Pro Starter Kit: Legacy" I feel is very demanded of the format. A staple card (Force of Will) should not cost $60 a pop.
Here I'll start with answering rebuttals I've seen people make about card power, format fairness, and the fairness of the cost of competitive magic. Please read this so we can debate with my answer already on the field.
You can't replace Tarmogoyf, Force of Will, Dark Confidant, etc.: I haven't been playing for long at all but I lean towards agreeing with this statement. Tarmogoyf is a 3/4 - 4/5+ while Watchwolf is a 3/3 with a steeper mana cost. Force of Will is usually always ready, where Pact of Negation and Disrupting Shoal are not. If you can elaborate on this please do so, I am not qualified
People should be willing to pay $500 - $1000+ to play Magic because it's an investment: Investments are never safe. Demand and Supply are not static, they change over time many times due to forces we do not observe/control. Asking someone who cannot afford to take the risk of making that kind of investment is unfair. What if they print a creature better than Tarmogoyf (again by accident)? Your $90 investments are now worth maybe $15. Now you can't get the money you gambled on trying something new back.
You don't need all these cards you are listing to compete: Then you are going to have to answer everyone that laughs at any deck without them. See first argument. Yes, there are some exceptions, but I also don't want to be stuck with only being able to play one or two decks that I can't/don't want to play due to my playstyle or the metagame or other reasons.
You don't deserve to play Magic if you can't pay the price: Ok. If this idea doesn't pan out in some way I'm going to focus completely on Starcraft 2, a much better game which only cost me $60 to play with all of their cards (what a deal!). A lot of people would be willing to play Magic competitively on the side. It would lead to a bigger scene and more money for Wizards. Is that not a good thing? Do you not want us to play?
Legacy: In Legacy based on this thread the only decks I found enjoyable and competitive are Spring Tide and Mono Black Control. These each cost a fair deal of money and are not even optimal from what I can gather (maybe not true for MBC).
Modern: I've found that D&T seems like a great deck for me. The problem is that the deck not only loses hard to Hive Mind and Storm (apparently), which are popular decks, but I also cannot splash for cards to maybe shore up weaknesses and adjust the deck to metagames without shelling out another hundred or 2.
At the end of the day I feel these cards would be usable in FNM's and even PTQ's, and that would be good enough for most people without the cash to play.
Let me know what you think of this general idea, especially how competent these cards would be compared to their betters.
TL;DR - It takes like a minute to read each section. That's 75x (1 minute compared to 75 minutes) faster than a college seminar, and you probably got more out of it than the college seminar (hopefully not but it's been that way for most of my college courses).
There are a lot of legacy staples that aren`t on the reserved list, over time I think we`ll see them reprinted in special sets, as prizes and as judge promos. I'm all for them reprinting slightly worse/different versions of cards that are on the reserved list though. I'm hoping we'll see wizards do this soon since they'll be designing cards with modern in mind in the future.
True, it never clicked to me that shock lands were replacements for the dual lands back in the day. We have Modern now though which obviously puts them on top of the food chain.
I myself believe it would be best to re-print all the staple cards in formats (Force of Will, Tarmogoyf if they keep it in Modern, Jace, the Mind Sculptor) as well as all the lands. I feel it very unfair that I can't even replace power cards because of the fact that I can't play more than one color due to money constraints.
Of course this would all be better if Magic wasn't effectively a never ending beta, but that's how this game works.
One more idea I have is to print special releases of these cards that are not legal above the PTQ level. (you would be able to use them at FNM's and PTQ's)
This would let more casual people play with the cards they need, and the people who own these cards prior will still have value in the cards being necessary for higher level play.
I'm not informed about how PTQ's work so if anyone has a point regarding it please bring it up. (no one plays PTQ's, no one would go to PTQ's if this happened, etc.)
Everytime I read about the monetary constraints that come alone with the game I laugh a little bit. If these cards did not hold their value this game would have fallen long ago. It's the secondary market that pushes people to purchase product. I do not play magic for profit, however I do like to know that if times got rough I have a very liquid collection (often increasing in value) I could turn to get through a rough time. (something most hobbies do not have). Money always has and always will play a large roll in Magic.
Everytime I read about the monetary constraints that come alone with the game I laugh a little bit. If these cards did not hold their value this game would have fallen long ago. It's the secondary market that pushes people to purchase product. I do not play magic for profit, however I do like to know that if times got rough I have a very liquid collection (often increasing in value) I could turn to get through a rough time. (something most hobbies do not have). Money always has and always will play a large roll in Magic.
not to mention scg has vested interest in the secondary market. i do think the reserved list is stupid but maybe limited reprints would be ok. i dont want to see all my money flushed down the drain either.
Money was a thing even before Scg was a thing. When legacy was 1.5 and type 2 was dominated by Autumn Willow/orcish lumberjacks. Money is what kept people out of type 1. Without the demand for cards and people able to purchase the cards. The secondary market has always been there for 15 years min. It is the lifeblood of the game. Save up... Trade... Scrap into what you want... I have traded for full sets of moxen twice to get into the format I wanted to play. Pay your dues and the rewards are well worth the journey.
When the supply of Legacy cards becomes an entry, then reprinting cards like Force of Will and Tarmogoyf which aren't on the reserved list (judiciously, not a mass reprint in a Standard legal set) would be the best solution.
Trying to solve everything with an extra two life loss is a very inelegant solution, and I hope they never resort to that again. The shocklands sucked hard enough.
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Some day they'll probably just print true dual lands that make you lose a life when they enter play. They'll be overpowered in standard for two years, and then everything in eternal formats will be (mostly) fine.
The problem with defining [EDH] by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
When the supply of Legacy cards becomes an entry, then reprinting cards like Force of Will and Tarmogoyf which aren't on the reserved list (judiciously, not a mass reprint in a Standard legal set) would be the best solution.
Trying to solve everything with an extra two life loss is a very inelegant solution, and I hope they never resort to that again. The shocklands sucked hard enough.
Agreed. But what about Phyrexian Mana? There's a reason dismember is popular.
Loss of life just isn't a scary thought when the stuff you're powering out overpowers the lifeloss curve. Like many decks in the current environment, paying 4 life and 1 generic mana is nothing if it means your under-costed 2 drop hits.
I agree with everyone that the game, or at least a major cornerstone of it, is based off the secondary market.
My only question to offer everyone is why the rapid rise in pricing over the past few years. The game was functioning great when [insert expensive card] was 1/3 to 1/2 its current value. Duals are a great example of very rapid rise in value after a long time of stability. They're stabilizing around $100 USD at the moment but who's to say they won't soar to $200-250 by next year? Will Wotc jump in if this occurred? Should they? This isn't speaking in hyperbole either, I'd like to hear how people view this exact issue.
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
I think they would jump in.
I know advocators of the reserved list don't want to lose their investment, hell I own a few pricey staples myself and it would kind of suck to see those staples lose value at first but if the format dies and no one is interested in it, the value will drop all the same.
Wizards will eventually have to decide what is more important: reprinting a ton of cards and making a few collectors angry and losing said players' trust, or not reprinting and losing a ton of players due to accessibility problems.
I really think they should intervene, legacy is such a great format I don't think I'd be able to play any other format if it died..
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They call me Hank Hill because I bring the pro-pain.
I think they will just move to promote modern more in the future if prices get even more unreasonable. It will suck if it happens, but there's a good chance that the same thing that happened to vintage will happen to legacy. I'm really hoping it doesn't get to that point, at least since modern became a thing prices have started to go down a little bit for a lot of legacy staples.
What really gets my goat is that Wizards apparently doesn't even playtest new cards with the eternal cardpool. Hence why we got Vengevine and Snapcaster Mage.
If they care so little about eternal cards and players, I doubt they'll reprint anything that's expensive and/or format defining. Why not let the prices go up and up and let the format die, like Vintage? Then hope those players move to Standard. How likely that is, I don't know.
But Wizards has a real problem with Standard pricing (but that's for another subforum).
What really gets my goat is that Wizards apparently doesn't even playtest new cards with the eternal cardpool. Hence why we got Vengevine and Snapcaster Mage.
If they care so little about eternal cards and players, I doubt they'll reprint anything that's expensive and/or format defining. Why not let the prices go up and up and let the format die, like Vintage. Then hope those players move to Standard. How likely that is, I don't know.
But Wizards has a real problem with Standard pricing (but that's for another subforum).
They could reprint these cards in special product and essentially print money. If they can make money off of it I think they will care.
The reserve list is a bad idea and it is doing harm to this game. There. I said it. It's bad for competition, and it's bad at it's core for WOTC, financially. It hurts their BOTTOM LINE, over a promise they some decade ago that fuels a lopsided card economy based entirely on power and scarcity. It creates a barrier to entry that I know from personal experience drives potential players away in droves. I have so many friends who play some casual/sealed magic , who upon seeing my legacy deck think that it represents this game in its prime. When they went online and checked decklists and strategies, they became eager to build their own versions of legacy decks... and then hit a brick wall when they checked the prices of some staple cards, meaning they couldn't build the decks THEY wanted to. All for the benefit of people who were playing and collecting before these guys even knew about the game. It's a damn shame because these guys have all bought, literally, each EDH deck EACH. They eat this game up. Give them their damn force of wills and be done with this garbage.
Trying to buy a set of foil brainstorms, but none of the ebay auctions offer shipping outside the US...
i will probably sell the stuff i dont need around april next year
Lawl.
Lands WUBG
EDH:
Doran WBG
Really, this is why modern was created. You do this to legacy and people will be extremely P.O.'d.
Also, if cards were banned for price reasons, they wouldn't be worth anything again. Should they then be unbanned? Very, very silly idea.
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So many people that play legacy pick up their cards with intentions of using them for a long time or being able to trade them later because legacy staples usually hold their value. I basically traded the majority of my decent cards for a playset of Force of Will, if it were banned I'd have a really hard time being able to make a competitive deck for any format and I wouldn't really be able to play anymore aside from casual and draft. I think there are a lot of people out there with legacy staples that feel the same way. I'm not really against reprints though, unfortunately the reserved list is..
What doesn't make sense is, it costs so much money to play in legacy and wizards aren't really making money off of it. I mean their overall goal is to make money off of the game, not reprinting legacy staples just doesn't make sense because otherwise there really isn't many other ways for them to make money off of legacy. They should just reprint the cards they can, and then start making cards that do basically the same thing as the ones on the reserved list. Why not print duals that can't be fetched?? They're worse than the originals and would probably drop the price of the originals. Instead of needing 3-4 original duals in a deck you would only need 1-2 to be able to fetch them and then fill out the deck with the new ones.
There's plenty of options for wizards to make the format more accessible, they just don't seem to be trying at all. It doesn't make sense, there's so much money they could be making off of the format. Maybe they're worried that making legacy more accessible would make every other format less popular?
Sagara, I agree with you but if you play or want to play competitively there's a very small window to what you can use and be successful with.
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"I made a lot of playtesting against Blue with a lot of different decks and answers. In the end, I lost. To Island.
How cant anybody see, that this cards powerlevel is way above legacys level. Its even restricted in vintage.
Ban it." -Dragofireheart
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WUBRG Storm WUBRG
UBR FaerieStalker UBR
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Sygg, River Cutthroat (1vs1)
Maga, Traitor to Mortals (multiplayer)
The goyf being half is due to modern. You can blame modern for that doubling price hike.
It's kind of bitter sweet. In terms of prices it definitely didn't help but back when legacy was cheap, where I live, if I wanted to play in a tournament the only choice I had was to wait for a once a year tournament that was a four hour drive away. It's really nice actually being able to play my favourite format.
The really unfortunate thing about legacy is that eventually even the cheaper decks to choose from will be unreasonably priced (unless wizards starts reprinting more legacy staples).
Most dramatic post ever on these forums. If everybody had access to the same card pool and it always came down to the skill of the players involved, how would that be a bad thing.
Many people would like to play the eternal formats competitively without shelling out hundreds of dollars.
There are different ways to help out these people, from banning a certain $90 card we all know to telling people they should blow their savings on cardboard to try out a hobby they don't know if they even enjoy yet.
I'm proposing a compromise. I propose the idea of Wizards printing replacements for these very expensive cards that are slightly worse than the cards they replace.
In the end people who spent more money on the game than other people will have a slight advantage over the rest, rather than having the "infinite" advantage of being the only ones who can play competitively.
The ideas are usually simple, asking for some ping damage (or more ping damage):
Force of Will: Same card but you pay 2 (or even 3 maybe) life.
Shocklands: Same cards but you pay 3 (or more I guess) life. example: Steam Vents
Dual Lands: Same cards but you pay 1 (or more) life when they come into play. example: Tropical Island
Tarmogoyf (aka Oops, our game largely revolves around a $90 mistake): suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe make it cost GG (might be too much of a nerf).
Dark Confidant: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe not necessary with Phyexian Arena. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
Jace, the Mind Sculptor: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe costing one more colorless. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
Thoughtseize: Maybe the same idea of losing 1 additional life.
Vendilion Clique: suggestions please! Maybe the same idea of paying 1 or 2 life when it comes into play. Maybe costing one more colorless. Comments regarding this opinion wanted!
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Distribution: Especially for Modern, Wizards could probably get behind releasing a "Pro Starter Kit: Modern" with playsets of these budget alternative cards (Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Shock Lands, etc.).
A "Pro Starter Kit: Legacy" I feel is very demanded of the format. A staple card (Force of Will) should not cost $60 a pop.
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Responses to Arguments:
Here I'll start with answering rebuttals I've seen people make about card power, format fairness, and the fairness of the cost of competitive magic. Please read this so we can debate with my answer already on the field.
You can't replace Tarmogoyf, Force of Will, Dark Confidant, etc.: I haven't been playing for long at all but I lean towards agreeing with this statement. Tarmogoyf is a 3/4 - 4/5+ while Watchwolf is a 3/3 with a steeper mana cost. Force of Will is usually always ready, where Pact of Negation and Disrupting Shoal are not. If you can elaborate on this please do so, I am not qualified
People should be willing to pay $500 - $1000+ to play Magic because it's an investment: Investments are never safe. Demand and Supply are not static, they change over time many times due to forces we do not observe/control. Asking someone who cannot afford to take the risk of making that kind of investment is unfair. What if they print a creature better than Tarmogoyf (again by accident)? Your $90 investments are now worth maybe $15. Now you can't get the money you gambled on trying something new back.
You don't need all these cards you are listing to compete: Then you are going to have to answer everyone that laughs at any deck without them. See first argument. Yes, there are some exceptions, but I also don't want to be stuck with only being able to play one or two decks that I can't/don't want to play due to my playstyle or the metagame or other reasons.
You don't deserve to play Magic if you can't pay the price: Ok. If this idea doesn't pan out in some way I'm going to focus completely on Starcraft 2, a much better game which only cost me $60 to play with all of their cards (what a deal!). A lot of people would be willing to play Magic competitively on the side. It would lead to a bigger scene and more money for Wizards. Is that not a good thing? Do you not want us to play?
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Tarmogoyf being an accident
Force of Will being irreplaceable
Modern revolves around the fetch and shock lands and Tarmogoyf is "Pretty much the best two-drop in a game defined by awesome two drops"
Vintage revolves around Force of Will (and I figure its at least mostly true for Legacy, please explain to me otherwise)
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Legacy: In Legacy based on this thread the only decks I found enjoyable and competitive are Spring Tide and Mono Black Control. These each cost a fair deal of money and are not even optimal from what I can gather (maybe not true for MBC).
Modern: I've found that D&T seems like a great deck for me. The problem is that the deck not only loses hard to Hive Mind and Storm (apparently), which are popular decks, but I also cannot splash for cards to maybe shore up weaknesses and adjust the deck to metagames without shelling out another hundred or 2.
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At the end of the day I feel these cards would be usable in FNM's and even PTQ's, and that would be good enough for most people without the cash to play.
Let me know what you think of this general idea, especially how competent these cards would be compared to their betters.
TL;DR - It takes like a minute to read each section. That's 75x (1 minute compared to 75 minutes) faster than a college seminar, and you probably got more out of it than the college seminar (hopefully not but it's been that way for most of my college courses).
WUBRGReaper KingGRBUW 5c Blink [Less Competitive]
WBEvershrikeBW Orzhov Enchantments [Less Competitive]
GIwamori of the Open FistG Green Smash [Less Competitive]
RGWUInk-Treader NephilimUWGR Draw Too Many Cards [More Competitive]
URJhoira of the GhituRU Izzet Stax [More Competitive]
URGRiku of Two ReflectionsGRU Ceta Dredge [More Competitive]
Modern
RUGBNightshiftBGUR Like Scapeshift but bad
I myself believe it would be best to re-print all the staple cards in formats (Force of Will, Tarmogoyf if they keep it in Modern, Jace, the Mind Sculptor) as well as all the lands. I feel it very unfair that I can't even replace power cards because of the fact that I can't play more than one color due to money constraints.
Of course this would all be better if Magic wasn't effectively a never ending beta, but that's how this game works.
One more idea I have is to print special releases of these cards that are not legal above the PTQ level. (you would be able to use them at FNM's and PTQ's)
This would let more casual people play with the cards they need, and the people who own these cards prior will still have value in the cards being necessary for higher level play.
I'm not informed about how PTQ's work so if anyone has a point regarding it please bring it up. (no one plays PTQ's, no one would go to PTQ's if this happened, etc.)
WUBRGReaper KingGRBUW 5c Blink [Less Competitive]
WBEvershrikeBW Orzhov Enchantments [Less Competitive]
GIwamori of the Open FistG Green Smash [Less Competitive]
RGWUInk-Treader NephilimUWGR Draw Too Many Cards [More Competitive]
URJhoira of the GhituRU Izzet Stax [More Competitive]
URGRiku of Two ReflectionsGRU Ceta Dredge [More Competitive]
Modern
RUGBNightshiftBGUR Like Scapeshift but bad
not to mention scg has vested interest in the secondary market. i do think the reserved list is stupid but maybe limited reprints would be ok. i dont want to see all my money flushed down the drain either.
Trying to solve everything with an extra two life loss is a very inelegant solution, and I hope they never resort to that again. The shocklands sucked hard enough.
Legacy
UWR Miracles UWR
GWB Maverick GWB
GB Elves GB
UBR ANT UBR
RG Combo Lands RG
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BUG BUG Fish BUG
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Junk PodMagic: the BuylistingAgreed. But what about Phyrexian Mana? There's a reason dismember is popular.
Loss of life just isn't a scary thought when the stuff you're powering out overpowers the lifeloss curve. Like many decks in the current environment, paying 4 life and 1 generic mana is nothing if it means your under-costed 2 drop hits.
I agree with everyone that the game, or at least a major cornerstone of it, is based off the secondary market.
My only question to offer everyone is why the rapid rise in pricing over the past few years. The game was functioning great when [insert expensive card] was 1/3 to 1/2 its current value. Duals are a great example of very rapid rise in value after a long time of stability. They're stabilizing around $100 USD at the moment but who's to say they won't soar to $200-250 by next year? Will Wotc jump in if this occurred? Should they? This isn't speaking in hyperbole either, I'd like to hear how people view this exact issue.
10th at SCG: Syracuse (2014), GP:NJ Last-Chance Grinder Winner (2014):: Former Legacy Mod
I know advocators of the reserved list don't want to lose their investment, hell I own a few pricey staples myself and it would kind of suck to see those staples lose value at first but if the format dies and no one is interested in it, the value will drop all the same.
Wizards will eventually have to decide what is more important: reprinting a ton of cards and making a few collectors angry and losing said players' trust, or not reprinting and losing a ton of players due to accessibility problems.
I really think they should intervene, legacy is such a great format I don't think I'd be able to play any other format if it died..
If they care so little about eternal cards and players, I doubt they'll reprint anything that's expensive and/or format defining. Why not let the prices go up and up and let the format die, like Vintage? Then hope those players move to Standard. How likely that is, I don't know.
But Wizards has a real problem with Standard pricing (but that's for another subforum).
They could reprint these cards in special product and essentially print money. If they can make money off of it I think they will care.