I wonder when proxy tournaments will become popular for Legacy and dare I say Modern? I know people to hear that, but I want the best decks to be played. Not, 'oh, I can only afford one Dark Confidant/Tarmogoyf so that's all I'm running.'
Indeed, it is the Rolex argument that is silly. Do you buy Legacy staples for a sense of prestige or to play a game? Wouldn't it be nice if MORE people could afford to make the jump to Legacy? These casual players holdenpi describes are the next generation of tournament players. If they won't buy in who will? We don't get SCG up here in Canada and even if we did I don't want to play only once a year when SCG visits my city. Therefore, it's up to the community to support the format at a local level but it gets harder to justify supporting it if we can't get new players to play. Magic cards shouldn't be compared to Rolexes. If we had this conversation 5 years ago it would sound even more absurd.
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Although I agree that people will always be excluded, in this example, whether you have a Timex or a Rolex, you can still tell the time. Not having duals has a functonal difference. I'd say that Revised duals are the Timex while Beta is the Rolex.
It a Matter of capitalism. Once upon a time only the rich had pocket watches. It's nice that everyone (in the privileged West) can afford a time piece, but is the company obliged to produce them at an affordable rate?
Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
While we already know about USea and Volcanics, Tropical is up about $17 on TCGplayer and Bayou up about $8. Tropical Island seems like the next dual to really jump in price and gain solid value.
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Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
I agree with this. When I started about 2 years ago, I started with Pox. WHich turned into Nic Fit, which turned into budget Stoneblade (With 1 force and a few shocks) which went to TES, which went to 4 color loam which went to whatever I'm on now I guess.
Point is, everyone has to start out somewhere. Just because you dont have 4K to drop on whatever Tier deck you want, doesnt mean you should simply write off the format. It's all about a long term commitment. You slowly gain access to more and more cards. And hell, if nothing else, you play more and make friends to borrow stuff from. Thats how I play a new deck every week.
Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
I do agree... but I also believe we have dozens to hundreds of multi-color non-basic lands already, these lands are also playable. The only problem is that duals are as good as basic lands. Shocklands are a close second. Sure all others don't compare as good but they are solid and playable too.
If your a collector or have plans in playing SCG's then you NEED to fork up the money for the best lands. If your playing casually or playing in a local tournament (if the winnings is under 50 dollars) then you can play shocks or some other secondary land. (The truth is most players that do enter these tournaments rarely play with expensive cards (sure this can varies but most of the time they are playing a type 2, extended or modern deck with a slight upgrade.)
If your playing on the kitchen table (proxies)... actually, I believe Magic is the only ccg that proxy friendly. Actually, if you have a deck with proxies you'll find players willing to play (as long as you allow them to proxy cards too)
To be fair, duals arent as good as basics when it comes to blood moon and wasteland. In fact, I generally encourage players that just start legacy to pick up fetches before duals if playability is their only concern. Fetching a basic is actually an excellent plan if you build your deck in a way that is not extremely greedy, and shuffle effects/deathrite food from fetches is WAY more important than simply having a dual land.
Riot - thank you for better explaining what I was trying to argue.
Mega - you are right about basics in the sense that Blood Moon and Wasteland don't hose them. Most multi-color Legacy decks run some small number of basics as a hedge against Blood Moon and Wasteland or the Wasteland-Loam lock. RUG Delver comes to mind as a deck that doesn't adhere to this principal. If duals are out out of the question for some players, build Burn and punish people for playing non-basics with Price of Progress. Or, build Mono-U Merfolk with Back to Basics out of the board.
Riot - thank you for better explaining what I was trying to argue.
Mega - you are right about basics in the sense that Blood Moon and Wasteland don't hose them. Most multi-color Legacy decks run some small number of basics as a hedge against Blood Moon and Wasteland or the Wasteland-Loam lock. RUG Delver comes to mind as a deck that doesn't adhere to this principal. If duals are out out of the question for some players, build Burn and punish people for playing non-basics with Price of Progress. Or, build Mono-U Merfolk with Back to Basics out of the board.
Exactly. You can build strong decks that can win games with simply basics. Sure you cant build super greedy 14 land +4 Wasteland delver decks on a budget, but thats just how a lot of formats are. I dont want to pay 500 for a T1 Standard deck. I dont complain about standard prices. I either build a budget deck or dont play it at all. Same goes for modern.
Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
Last time I checked, Fish plays Force of Will and True-Name Nemesis. There aren't many cheaper decks in Legacy other than Burn, Affinity, Manaless Dredge, and Oops All Spells.
Only the rich could initially afford pocket watches since it took skilled craftsman many man hours of labor to create one. Now pretty much anyone can afford one due to advances in productivity and automation. The watch analogy is poorly suited to the high cost of legacy staples since the high price of Magic cards is due to artificial scarcity. Printing a new Tundra would not cost WotC any more than printing an Island.
Artificial scarcity is a type of deadweight loss that essentially keeps a market from reaching equilibrium. The high prices are hardly a mater of capitalism, and more a product of distortions that can occur in a capitalist system when markets are not completely free.
Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
Last time I checked, Fish plays Force of Will and True-Name Nemesis. There aren't many cheaper decks in Legacy other than Burn, Affinity, Manaless Dredge, and Oops All Spells.
Whether or not you have duals, you can still play Legacy. Not having duals is a functional difference to many decks and completely irrelevant to others. People keep trying to say that if you don't have access to most of the high-dollar Legacy staples, then you absolutely can't play the format. Yes, you will need some of the staple cards for most decks, but you can play a decent deck without having a playset of every or any dual. What gets me is the notion that everyone should be entitled to buy into Legacy without a substantial dollar committment. Its a great format, and if you want to play it on the cheap side, play Burn, non-LED Dredge, or Mono-U Fish. You can be competitive with these decks without spending an arm and a leg to acquire the cards.
Last time I checked, Fish plays Force of Will and True-Name Nemesis. There aren't many cheaper decks in Legacy other than Burn, Affinity, Manaless Dredge, and Oops All Spells.
And Wasteland and Mutavault.
It only sometimes plays Wasteland and Mutavault is easier for players to get if they are already playing Standard.
The watch analogy is poorly suited to the high cost of legacy staples since the high price of Magic cards is due to artificial scarcity. Printing a new Tundra would not cost WotC any more than printing an Island.
WotC is business. Maybe they feel printing dual lands and thus supporting Legacy will cost them lost profits whereas printing basics will not.
I am kinda getting upset with the way Volcanic islands are going. I up one before the spike, its extremely irritating. They still are climbing on TCG player towards SCG prices!
Only the rich could initially afford pocket watches since it took skilled craftsman many man hours of labor to create one. Now pretty much anyone can afford one due to advances in productivity and automation. The watch analogy is poorly suited to the high cost of legacy staples since the high price of Magic cards is due to artificial scarcity. Printing a new Tundra would not cost WotC any more than printing an Island.
Artificial scarcity is a type of deadweight loss that essentially keeps a market from reaching equilibrium. The high prices are hardly a mater of capitalism, and more a product of distortions that can occur in a capitalist system when markets are not completely free.
There is precisely nothing artificial about the scarcity of Reserved List staples as WotC isn't truly free to reprint Reserved List cards. There is an actual scarcity of the cards as WotC does not have the real ability to produce more of the cards that the market demands (we can argue endlessly about whether or not the Reserved List prmoise is legally binding). You could only term this artificial if a single entity was holding back a large percentage of these cards (enough to satisfy market demand) from the market to create a situation that benefitted that entity. Generally speaking, Artificially Scarce goods are both Excludable and Rival in Consumption. While Magic cards are Rival in Consumption in that two people can't use the same card at the same time, they are not Excludable goods as any member of the public can have access to them.
I also think you don't really know what a Free Market Economy is. Prices for Reserved List staples are determined by what private entities charge and what the consumers are willing to pay. There is also no government interference in the secondary market of Magic cards. This is the definition of a Free Market. The prices are exactly a matter of Capitalism. Trying to argue that a severe Supply-side shortage (relative to overall market Demand) somehow precludes the notion that this is a Free Market is an utter falsehood.
Guess what my friends? This is why you were told back in school to do your homework, study hard and stay away from drugs, girls and playing Xbox all night; because money will always talk louder than your personal philosophy about what is "fair" on planet legacy. You may not be able to drop hundreds of dollars on duals but many people obviously are and that sucks for you if you chose to party hardy when you should have been studying. End Story.
What if everyone studied hard and applied themselves? Everyone would get a scholarship, go to school, get a good job, and we'd all be rich and have dual lands? Ha! Even now our society churns out more graduates than it offers high paying jobs. Social inequalities are essential in our system because wealth is worthless unless somebody else is poor enough to do petty tasks for you. What's the good of being rich if nobody is poor enough to shelve your groceries, mow your lawn, pump your gas, flip your burgers, serve you coffee, etc?
Some people think it's okay that our society rewards those who work hard, take risks, have talent, etc. Others think the disparity goes way too far to that end, and would prefer more government regulation. It's good that people have different political views, that's how we get quality political discourse. But this s nt the place fr that discourse.
But folks should be aware that a compliant about MTG prices ids a complaint about capitalism. If you think the division between haves vs have-nots is fair, but feel Legacy for some reason shouldn't be one of the privileged luxuries, that just makes no sense.
Unintentional exclusion is not elitism. Intentional exclusion certainly is. If you're trying to argue that everyone who simply would like to play Legacy should have the same economic opportunity to do so, then you've gone off the deep end my friend. I would love to own a Rolex, but I can't afford one. Does the simple notion that I would like one mean that the Rolex dealer network should allow me to purchase one for the price of a Timex? Ludicrous argument, right?
I dunno, are Rolexes very different from other wristwatches? Do they function differently on a fundamental level? Do they offer functionality that no other wristwatches can offer? And if you want to own a wristwatch, is a Rolex your only option besides other brands that are much less reliable or useful? I mean, you can still tell time with a pocket watch or a phone or whatever, you don't need a wristwatch. But if we are to compare this properly, then a Rolex at the prices that those things go for would be your only options for owning a wristwatch that works properly, essentially making the wristwatch a luxury product because Rolex has exclusive rights to it and have stopped making some watches years ago which have functionality that no other watches have, etc., etc.
The deeper you delve into this kind of comparison, the more it falls apart. You don't need a wristwatch to tell time, just like you don't need to play Magic. But I bet that if owning a wristwatch at all was considered expensive and luxurious, you would find that silly.
Great attempt to twist his logic but that isn't what he's arguing. I'll divide legacy into its own planet. Your "Rolex functionality" counter argument assumes you are on planet legacy, where you have an inherent right to own a watch in the first place. On planet earth, you don't. On planet earth, you also have no right to Legacy or magic at all. Whether any of you want to admit it, Legacy is pretty close to the Rolex of formats. The level of fun, nostalgia and prestige in the format dominates most of the others, in my obviously humble opinion. Guess what my friends? This is why you were told back in school to do your homework, study hard and stay away from drugs, girls and playing Xbox all night; because money will always talk louder than your personal philosophy about what is "fair" on planet legacy. You may not be able to drop hundreds of dollars on duals but many people obviously are and that sucks for you if you chose to party hardy when you should have been studying. End Story.
I kind of feel like most players that are out of school have the ability to spend that kind of money on duals but choose not to. My only option to play legacy is to drive over an hour for a proxy tournament. It's not very prestigious owning cards that cost $300 dollars that I rarely get to use. There's just too little tournament support for most people to be willing to put that kind of money into legacy. If you're lucky enough to live in a place that has a legacy scene that's great, but most people I know are more willing to spend the money on formats that are generally supported more, even if they prefer legacy.
It's not just the tournament support that gives value to owning Legacy staples, it's the idea that the cards store (and generate) equity, which makes it *not* a sunk cost entertainment expense in the way going to the movies or a concert is, but an alternative for some of the savings and investment money that would otherwise be in a bank account earning less interest than the cards appreciate, or in some other kind of investment. Any play value you get, then, is icing on the cake, even if you only play in the Legacy tournament 1 time a month or something.
I don't think people arguing for lower costs in Legacy are necessarily advocating that they feel an *entitlement* to whatever luxuries they want regardless of whether they've earned them --or that everyone complaining about price can't afford or hasn't bought/doesn't own the cards in spite of that, let alone that because of any past personal priority-call choices with regards to school or play, etc. resulting in a lower-paying job-- so much as that the format would be healthier if the barrier of entry was lower and *both hard and soft availability caps on the player-base* were higher, and that is very true; I think fewer people would be made unhappy (due to things like capital loss on their collection, losing their hobby's status-symbol state if that's a primary reason they were in Legacy, etc.) than would be made happy by the ability to more easily --even for people with good jobs and money, as they can then focus the money on other milestones like home-ownership, other things-- participate in MTG's (in my opinion) most fun constructed format.
Legacy being expensive sucks for a lot of people. Me being a college student who never has much spending money it sucks for as well, but I am able to do it. It's all about a little bit at a time and having friends that have a bunch of cards and not trying to play the most expensive decks in the world just because. Instead of complaining about it, build up to it.
It's not just the tournament support that gives value to owning Legacy staples, it's the idea that the cards store (and generate) equity, which makes it *not* a sunk cost entertainment expense in the way going to the movies or a concert is, but an alternative for some of the savings and investment money that would otherwise be in a bank account earning less interest than the cards appreciate, or in some other kind of investment.
MTG is not a good way to invest money for return. Anyone buying Legacy staples for investment and not to play is either a bit delusional, or enjoys card collecting enough as a hobby to justify the opportunity cost of investing in MTG instead of real stock.
Realistically I think staples need both play value (including a sufficiently strong tournament scene or community) and some degree of expected price retention to command the prices and demand they currently do. If tournament support and local scenes die down, we will see a drop in demand (but unless supply increased (including massive cash-outs), there will not be a significant drop in prices.
Why are prices rising at 10$ a week? Can anybody explain the massive inflation rrom the past. 3 months? Prices have risen from 100$ to 170$ in 3 months.Volcanic Island
It seems to only be the blue duals.
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I agree with this. When I started about 2 years ago, I started with Pox. WHich turned into Nic Fit, which turned into budget Stoneblade (With 1 force and a few shocks) which went to TES, which went to 4 color loam which went to whatever I'm on now I guess.
Point is, everyone has to start out somewhere. Just because you dont have 4K to drop on whatever Tier deck you want, doesnt mean you should simply write off the format. It's all about a long term commitment. You slowly gain access to more and more cards. And hell, if nothing else, you play more and make friends to borrow stuff from. Thats how I play a new deck every week.
I do agree... but I also believe we have dozens to hundreds of multi-color non-basic lands already, these lands are also playable. The only problem is that duals are as good as basic lands. Shocklands are a close second. Sure all others don't compare as good but they are solid and playable too.
If your a collector or have plans in playing SCG's then you NEED to fork up the money for the best lands. If your playing casually or playing in a local tournament (if the winnings is under 50 dollars) then you can play shocks or some other secondary land. (The truth is most players that do enter these tournaments rarely play with expensive cards (sure this can varies but most of the time they are playing a type 2, extended or modern deck with a slight upgrade.)
If your playing on the kitchen table (proxies)... actually, I believe Magic is the only ccg that proxy friendly. Actually, if you have a deck with proxies you'll find players willing to play (as long as you allow them to proxy cards too)
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Mega - you are right about basics in the sense that Blood Moon and Wasteland don't hose them. Most multi-color Legacy decks run some small number of basics as a hedge against Blood Moon and Wasteland or the Wasteland-Loam lock. RUG Delver comes to mind as a deck that doesn't adhere to this principal. If duals are out out of the question for some players, build Burn and punish people for playing non-basics with Price of Progress. Or, build Mono-U Merfolk with Back to Basics out of the board.
Exactly. You can build strong decks that can win games with simply basics. Sure you cant build super greedy 14 land +4 Wasteland delver decks on a budget, but thats just how a lot of formats are. I dont want to pay 500 for a T1 Standard deck. I dont complain about standard prices. I either build a budget deck or dont play it at all. Same goes for modern.
Last time I checked, Fish plays Force of Will and True-Name Nemesis. There aren't many cheaper decks in Legacy other than Burn, Affinity, Manaless Dredge, and Oops All Spells.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Artificial scarcity is a type of deadweight loss that essentially keeps a market from reaching equilibrium. The high prices are hardly a mater of capitalism, and more a product of distortions that can occur in a capitalist system when markets are not completely free.
And Wasteland and Mutavault.
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It only sometimes plays Wasteland and Mutavault is easier for players to get if they are already playing Standard.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
WotC is business. Maybe they feel printing dual lands and thus supporting Legacy will cost them lost profits whereas printing basics will not.
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There is precisely nothing artificial about the scarcity of Reserved List staples as WotC isn't truly free to reprint Reserved List cards. There is an actual scarcity of the cards as WotC does not have the real ability to produce more of the cards that the market demands (we can argue endlessly about whether or not the Reserved List prmoise is legally binding). You could only term this artificial if a single entity was holding back a large percentage of these cards (enough to satisfy market demand) from the market to create a situation that benefitted that entity. Generally speaking, Artificially Scarce goods are both Excludable and Rival in Consumption. While Magic cards are Rival in Consumption in that two people can't use the same card at the same time, they are not Excludable goods as any member of the public can have access to them.
I also think you don't really know what a Free Market Economy is. Prices for Reserved List staples are determined by what private entities charge and what the consumers are willing to pay. There is also no government interference in the secondary market of Magic cards. This is the definition of a Free Market. The prices are exactly a matter of Capitalism. Trying to argue that a severe Supply-side shortage (relative to overall market Demand) somehow precludes the notion that this is a Free Market is an utter falsehood.
Maybe they figured that a lawsuit over reprinting Reserved List cards might make that Tundra slightly more expensive than an Island.....
What if everyone studied hard and applied themselves? Everyone would get a scholarship, go to school, get a good job, and we'd all be rich and have dual lands? Ha! Even now our society churns out more graduates than it offers high paying jobs. Social inequalities are essential in our system because wealth is worthless unless somebody else is poor enough to do petty tasks for you. What's the good of being rich if nobody is poor enough to shelve your groceries, mow your lawn, pump your gas, flip your burgers, serve you coffee, etc?
Some people think it's okay that our society rewards those who work hard, take risks, have talent, etc. Others think the disparity goes way too far to that end, and would prefer more government regulation. It's good that people have different political views, that's how we get quality political discourse. But this s nt the place fr that discourse.
But folks should be aware that a compliant about MTG prices ids a complaint about capitalism. If you think the division between haves vs have-nots is fair, but feel Legacy for some reason shouldn't be one of the privileged luxuries, that just makes no sense.
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I kind of feel like most players that are out of school have the ability to spend that kind of money on duals but choose not to. My only option to play legacy is to drive over an hour for a proxy tournament. It's not very prestigious owning cards that cost $300 dollars that I rarely get to use. There's just too little tournament support for most people to be willing to put that kind of money into legacy. If you're lucky enough to live in a place that has a legacy scene that's great, but most people I know are more willing to spend the money on formats that are generally supported more, even if they prefer legacy.
I don't think people arguing for lower costs in Legacy are necessarily advocating that they feel an *entitlement* to whatever luxuries they want regardless of whether they've earned them --or that everyone complaining about price can't afford or hasn't bought/doesn't own the cards in spite of that, let alone that because of any past personal priority-call choices with regards to school or play, etc. resulting in a lower-paying job-- so much as that the format would be healthier if the barrier of entry was lower and *both hard and soft availability caps on the player-base* were higher, and that is very true; I think fewer people would be made unhappy (due to things like capital loss on their collection, losing their hobby's status-symbol state if that's a primary reason they were in Legacy, etc.) than would be made happy by the ability to more easily --even for people with good jobs and money, as they can then focus the money on other milestones like home-ownership, other things-- participate in MTG's (in my opinion) most fun constructed format.
MTG is not a good way to invest money for return. Anyone buying Legacy staples for investment and not to play is either a bit delusional, or enjoys card collecting enough as a hobby to justify the opportunity cost of investing in MTG instead of real stock.
Realistically I think staples need both play value (including a sufficiently strong tournament scene or community) and some degree of expected price retention to command the prices and demand they currently do. If tournament support and local scenes die down, we will see a drop in demand (but unless supply increased (including massive cash-outs), there will not be a significant drop in prices.
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