People will play the best cards they can that are available to them. That's not format warping, that's simply being as efficient as you can be. If you ban the boogeyman a new boogeyman shows up. No one wants to play an inferior card if they can avoid it.
There is no need for bans, but there is a lot of space for unbans.
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It's quite probable that hurting the fair decks of the format by removing their ramp + pressure one-mana planeswalker would advantage unfair decks too much to be worth it.
Why should it? Fair decks were doing great before DRS (the term 'Maverick Summer' comes to mind). Meanwhile fair decks have gotten at least as many toys as the unfair decks.
Either way, if The format is unhealthy, something should be banned. If that makes something else too powerful, then something else needs a ban.
They have tons of data from MTGO Competitive leagues and Format Challenges to go on as far as DRS' prevalence goes, and if you look at the results, sometimes they surprise you in how DRS isn't always the top dog.
Its not an issue of single card prevalence. Its an issue of play-style prevalence. Are the good-stuff fair decks too homogenous and simultaneously too abundant? That's the question at hand.
...it does pop up in multiple archetypes (aggro, tempo, control, even combo to an extent if you consider Elves) enough to say that it doesn't put any one deck or archetype at the forefront of the format.
Elves are the exception. Everything else that runs DRS is a midrange deck or Grixis Delver. Grixis Delver itself is a slower-than-usual tempo deck. Cabal Therapy (and DRS too) are not tempo positive plays.
Even Elves has a midrange backup plan, and DRS shines there.
DRS without a doubt pushes fair, good-stuff aggro/control decks. BS enables a wider range of styles, and is less a threat to diversity.
...how long does a card need to warp the format around it for in order to be okay?
12 years (plus) wasn't long enough for Top.
Point is, of diversity suffers, it is never okay. If WotC choose to grant DRS "sacred cow" status, that only means they need to ban something else if DRS decks become a problem. I think they would have a hard time finding a suitable card for such a goal.
For the record, I am not asking for a DRS ban, but if the future looks too much like the top-16 from Birmingham, something needs to give.
I agree with you about the unbans, but that's kind of off topic as they would do nothing to address the actual point of contention.
If there is no need for bans now then there was no need for bans when Top left. In which case let us have Top back. Bans don't happen just because they are needed, there is more than that in play.
If I want to face midrange heavy mtg (and Grixis is midrange that can tempo) then I can play other formats. I want to play Legacy which should to me be as diverse as Modern with prison and combo far more viable and Grixis et al just a small part.
For the record, I am not asking for a DRS ban, but if the future looks too much like the top-16 from Birmingham, something needs to give.
The point of a card having "sacred cow" status is that it's seen as an unassailable pillar of the format. Brainstorm, Force of Will, Wasteland, etc all have this status going for them. Personally, I don't see the problem if a card printed in the modern frame gains such a status, as long as there are still a diverse number of playable decks, and going from the numbers I've seen, that's still the case. A quick glance at some numbers tells me that Miracles, Elves, Sneak and Show, Stompy, Storm, and Reanimator are healthily represented in the metagame. Looking at Birmingham and how a DRS deck didn't actually win the event, I'd be curious to see what conversion rates are like on DRS decks versus other decks. If it's simply a case of an army of players all picking up Delver because it's "the best deck," then sheer numbers will brute force their way into the top 16, as compared to a smaller number of skilled players on other decks.
I think the main problem of the current meta are the dumb turn 1/2 combo decks like reanimator.
They are they main reason that other non-blue fair decks like Jund are not playable in an open field.
If other non blue decks would be playable, the meta share of grixis delver would automatically go down.
But besides that i would not be sad to see Gitaxian Probe go. There are far more powerful cards in legacy than DRS, it would be crazy to see it banned.
You mean like Death and Taxes, Elves, Stompy, Post, Lands....
Burn even dumpsters Czech due to its raw, unfiltered aggression, and has a surprisingly decent matchup against Delver if you make a suitable board for it.
I've learned to cringe at "Mountain, Goblin Guide, swing" as someone's opening play when playing Delver, because it means the strategy of incremental advantage is, at best, going to be blunted hard due to the deck's sheer redundancy. It's just not a "sexy" deck because most pros shy away from it and it has the "deck for newbies" stigma attached to it.
There have always been decks to beat the best deck.
I think there is diversity in Legacy but less than I would expect. People can't swap between decks in paper easily. A storm player can swap to Reanimator maybe, but if they don't own Cities they can't swap to most stompy decks. So to an extent paper mtg negates diversity reduction, but even so I think Modern has more, although it is not as fun a format for me.
If decks were as cheap as Modern or Standard we would see action on the ban front.
I am salty over splash damage from Top... I wanted CB gone if anything. I am not that concerned that splash damage from Drs would be any greater. Elves would be strong still. Maybe some Nic fit and Deadguy decks get worse but they would not go down to unplayable like Imperial Painter did.
I do think there needs to be a formal watch list fir Legacy. The format is expensive, and being forewarned allows people to make informed choices.
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I do think there needs to be a formal watch list fir Legacy. The format is expensive, and being forewarned allows people to make informed choices.
The problem is that, historically, people treat "this card might be banned" as "this card will be banned" and as a result shy away from using them, don't pick them up for decks, get rid of them if they have them, etc. Watch lists are an intrinsically bad thing because they introduce fear, uncertainty, and doubt into people's card and deck choices, which also has the effect of skewing the data such that it's more difficult to tell if the card actually deserves a ban or not.
Think about Drs and a watch list. Can we say that it would be the case with Drs? I do a lot of private and public card shifting, I have been doing the finance game a while, I can't see people behaving that way with Legacy. Standard, sure, Modern too. But Legacy? A format that is expensive, difficult to swap into and out of, moves glacially and where most people, especially outside the US, just want to play their pet strategy. Hell I play Parfait and Stax variants still.
If Drs was on the watch list, nobody is going to shy away from him, he is already cheap. Pile and Grixis players still have a bunch of expensive cards that will form a strong deck, and putting Drs on the list won't flood the market with their U Seas any more than it would with Elves' Cradles. It may have that effect on potential Lands or depth players if, say in some alternate world, their tutor or Depths itself was under threat, I can see that, but Tabernacle's cost is more of a bar to Lands, illustrating that Legacy prices stop such panic selling or buying. People do not switch much in Legacy due to availability issues, people swap slowly and a watch list would not change that. Realistically what cards do Wizards ever ban? It is rare for them to ban much, and when they do they rarely totally nerf strategies or decks... Miracles got the big ban but UWx is still exists.
Had Top gone on a watch list I would wager Painter players might have been more wary, and Imperial Recruiter might have been harder to shift than it already was, but I can't see anyone shying away from Miracles, Tundras, Brainstorms or Forces etc. because of it.
If anything I would have played a bit more Prison Pox because in it I used a lot of singletons and Top/Fetch back then. Now I can't use that strategy in the same way I regret not playing it more.
A watch list does not have to be formal, merely a card being mentioned in those months where the van list for Legacy is no change would be sufficient.
I am not advocating it for rotating formats at all for the reasons you describe.
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This is some real reactionary, Modern-tier banning philosophy right here.
It's also why I hate the idea of "sacred cow" cards like Brainstorm that should be banned by literally every metric other than "players like it too much to ban it" existing alongside cards that, it seems, inevitably get banned simply to shake up the format.
Oh and dumb crap like Mind Twist is still on the list. What a gong show.
This is some real reactionary, Modern-tier banning philosophy right here.
This is what I am most afraid of. Yes, just like the SDT ban there are decks that are casualties that did nothing wrong (Jund, Elves, Food Chain, Aluren, Manaless Dredge, etc.), but it's the fact these seem reactionary. I liked it A LOT more when Wizards left us alone to police ourselves. Yes it took time, but it was organic and natural. We're less than a year from the SDT ban and frankly, the Grixis Delver meta was because they banned SDT.
It might not be a popular opinion, but I actually preferred the Miracles meta since it was the "top" deck that rewarded a skilled pilot and understanding the format. Grixis Delver any grinder could just pick up and do well. Yeah, it was a problem, but in my opinion, all of this nonsense started once Wizards got too involved in Legacy's banlist. I liked it a lot more when they stayed out.
I wouldn't be surprised in 6 or 12 months when social media is crying for something else to be banned because it's not fun or for the sake of "diversity." Then again, my pet deck (Jund) is pretty much dead now so I could be biased.
Idk. Jund might get a kick overall. Your discard and removal probably let you continue to beat up on fair decks, and unfair decks lost some speed/stability without probe. I would think you just consider some scavaging oozes and otherwise business as usual.
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Idk. Jund might get a kick overall. Your discard and removal probably let you continue to beat up on fair decks, and unfair decks lost some speed/stability without probe. I would think you just consider some scavaging oozes and otherwise business as usual.
Jund was already pretty terrible in the meta after the SDT ban. I only played it because it's my petdeck and I have enough experience with it that I can still do alright. There is no obvious replacement card and the only other reason to play the shell is Punishing Fire/Grove. You can just play that same interaction in a better deck like Lands, Maverick, or 4C Loam. There's really no reason to play Jund as the grindy outvalue them deck because there are better choices and frankly they were around before the ban.
This is some real reactionary, Modern-tier banning philosophy right here.
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Oh and dumb crap like Mind Twist is still on the list. What a gong show.
Haha and a serious question from a modern player. So why is Mind Twist on the list? T1, ritual, ritual, mind twist, you're down 3 cards, opponent's down 4 cards. Or can you do more nasty things with it?
BS should be banned, sure, probably. Mind twist is the next Land Tax or Vise unbanning... absolutely. However, DRS had to go, just because other decisions are bad and there is inconsistency, just because the Top banning gave us Pile and Grixis D on the first place, does not mean they should take no action.
There used to be many flavours of Delver, many versions of midrange now just two delver and one of them is UR delver, very much the minor cousin to Grixis. I will enjoy playing against Rug again, I will definitely enjoy Wasteland ING greedy opponents and Crucible locks. Minor hits to Elves mean little, and Maverick will continue in differing forms with more variety as do Nic Fit or Deadguy. Financially I take a blow of sorts... I own some Bayous in loan decks that now are unused, I can't afford to just switch into Bug or Rug as I don't have the cards, it will be a rehashed Grixis loan deck minus Bayou. But even then I think the DRS ban will help the format.
Not sure about probe.
I have more interest in Parfait, Stax and Pox archetypes than tiered decks, that is the draw of Legacy to me, so to an extent I am less affected than most, but to be honest I grew tired of good stuff decks like Grixis and Pile.
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After just finisching my Elves list on paper last year I'm pretty bumped out about the fact I have to change my whole deck.. Probably even leave black altogether and go mono green?
I wouldn't be that concerned. Elves as a deck is fundamentally still the same deck. You'll replace the DRS with some other mana dork to help you accelerate or things like Birchlore Rangers. You keep black for Abrupt Decay since Chalice on 1 is game over and there are also other things you need to kill like Jitte. I wouldn't be too worried. Elves will live on.
Haha and a serious question from a modern player. So why is Mind Twist on the list? T1, ritual, ritual, mind twist, you're down 3 cards, opponent's down 4 cards. Or can you do more nasty things with it?
It's a relic ban from the time this format was Type 1.5 instead of Legacy, basically. There's no way to abuse Mind Twist in any serious capacity, since you'll almost always be better running Hymn to Tourach (along with Snapcaster if you're so inclined) if you want multiple random discards. Or even Rise // Fall though that one's a lot harder to make the mana for now that DRS is gone. If you want to run yourself out of gas to strip your opponent's hand, then cool, but it'd be fiendishly inconsistent at the best of times, since only one Ritual means you're casting for X=2 and thus you're down an extra card basically to Hymn your opponent a turn early.
Even if the game goes long, you're more likely just going to catch a bunch of sandbagged lands or something than anything of value.
Pretty interesting how some people said MTG would never be like Yugioh in its ban list but its starting to appear more and more that WoTC is copying Konami's style of game management. Deathrite being banned has nothing to do with game balance but more being done to get people to try new cards.
Probe was a fine ban since anyone whos played Legacy knows that Probe enabled so many turn 1-2 kills with storm or made it easy to win games with cabal therapy. Deathrite though is pretty stupid. I think sadly Legacy is going the same way as Commander went on MTGO in that one day people will wake up and realize that there are no more fun cards to play in the format and that its Modern 2.0
BS should be banned, sure, probably. Mind twist is the next Land Tax or Vise unbanning... absolutely. However, DRS had to go, just because other decisions are bad and there is inconsistency, just because the Top banning gave us Pile and Grixis D on the first place, does not mean they should take no action.
There used to be many flavours of Delver, many versions of midrange now just two delver and one of them is UR delver, very much the minor cousin to Grixis. I will enjoy playing against Rug again, I will definitely enjoy Wasteland ING greedy opponents and Crucible locks. Minor hits to Elves mean little, and Maverick will continue in differing forms with more variety as do Nic Fit or Deadguy. Financially I take a blow of sorts... I own some Bayous in loan decks that now are unused, I can't afford to just switch into Bug or Rug as I don't have the cards, it will be a rehashed Grixis loan deck minus Bayou. But even then I think the DRS ban will help the format.
Not sure about probe.
I have more interest in Parfait, Stax and Pox archetypes than tiered decks, that is the draw of Legacy to me, so to an extent I am less affected than most, but to be honest I grew tired of good stuff decks like Grixis and Pile.
Not sure how banning Deathrite really changes Legacy other than making some decks slightly worst and some decks slightly better. Delver gets better while elves gets worst. I dont see how any of that really means much. Aggro gets better while control gets worst, not like something that is really good long term or anything we havent seen before.
Elves is barely affected by the ban, ask any of the Elf players.
DRS banning just eliminated Pile from the game, period- and stopped Grixis Delver in its tracks. It is the biggest shake up in ages. Delver (grixis) does not get better, You need to visit the Grixis and Pile threads here or on The Source. If you suggest it is a minor change they will go nuts at you.
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Elves is barely affected by the ban, ask any of the Elf players.
DRS banning just eliminated Pile from the game, period- and stopped Grixis Delver in its tracks. It is the biggest shake up in ages. Delver (grixis) does not get better, You need to visit the Grixis and Pile threads here or on The Source. If you suggest it is a minor change they will go nuts at you.
I dont see how that matters in the long run though. There will probably be another top tier "pile" control deck in the form of Sulti or another Delver deck in the form of UR Deliver that will be a top deck. Banning Deathrite is like banning Lightning Bolt or Swords to Plowshire, does absolutely nothing for the format.
And Elves losing Deathrite hurts them a bit. They are a little worst against Reanimator and their mana got a little worst. Again, not sure how banning Deathrite helps any real issues that are with Legacy. Deathrite is such a slow card that is so easy to kill, its not broken at all. A card being very good doesnt mean it needs a banning, especially in Legacy to where you have turn 2-3 kills.
No, it was broken, that is why they have taken action. They don't ban cards now that are not the highest quality now, and they do not ban lightly. It was stupidly good and meant that every delver deck was grixis, and meant 4c control was always the same.
There will not be another pile... A 4c deck that runs blood moon in a wasteland format? No chance. It will be 3col at best and wasteland/crucible will work again, Reanimator will get better game ones. UR delver is very different, it is burn with fow. Rug is Rug delver, it plays very differently to grixis and the ban will mean a variety of delver decks, not just grixis.
I am curious to know what you think Legacy's issues are.
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There is no need for bans, but there is a lot of space for unbans.
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Why should it? Fair decks were doing great before DRS (the term 'Maverick Summer' comes to mind). Meanwhile fair decks have gotten at least as many toys as the unfair decks.
Either way, if The format is unhealthy, something should be banned. If that makes something else too powerful, then something else needs a ban.
Its not an issue of single card prevalence. Its an issue of play-style prevalence. Are the good-stuff fair decks too homogenous and simultaneously too abundant? That's the question at hand.
Elves are the exception. Everything else that runs DRS is a midrange deck or Grixis Delver. Grixis Delver itself is a slower-than-usual tempo deck. Cabal Therapy (and DRS too) are not tempo positive plays.
Even Elves has a midrange backup plan, and DRS shines there.
DRS without a doubt pushes fair, good-stuff aggro/control decks. BS enables a wider range of styles, and is less a threat to diversity.
DRS is less than 6 years old. SDT was over twice that old when it got the axe. Whoever said cards are grandfathered in after ~5 years?
12 years (plus) wasn't long enough for Top.
Point is, of diversity suffers, it is never okay. If WotC choose to grant DRS "sacred cow" status, that only means they need to ban something else if DRS decks become a problem. I think they would have a hard time finding a suitable card for such a goal.
For the record, I am not asking for a DRS ban, but if the future looks too much like the top-16 from Birmingham, something needs to give.
I agree with you about the unbans, but that's kind of off topic as they would do nothing to address the actual point of contention.
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If I want to face midrange heavy mtg (and Grixis is midrange that can tempo) then I can play other formats. I want to play Legacy which should to me be as diverse as Modern with prison and combo far more viable and Grixis et al just a small part.
The point of a card having "sacred cow" status is that it's seen as an unassailable pillar of the format. Brainstorm, Force of Will, Wasteland, etc all have this status going for them. Personally, I don't see the problem if a card printed in the modern frame gains such a status, as long as there are still a diverse number of playable decks, and going from the numbers I've seen, that's still the case. A quick glance at some numbers tells me that Miracles, Elves, Sneak and Show, Stompy, Storm, and Reanimator are healthily represented in the metagame. Looking at Birmingham and how a DRS deck didn't actually win the event, I'd be curious to see what conversion rates are like on DRS decks versus other decks. If it's simply a case of an army of players all picking up Delver because it's "the best deck," then sheer numbers will brute force their way into the top 16, as compared to a smaller number of skilled players on other decks.
You mean like Death and Taxes, Elves, Stompy, Post, Lands....
There are many playable nonblue decks
I've learned to cringe at "Mountain, Goblin Guide, swing" as someone's opening play when playing Delver, because it means the strategy of incremental advantage is, at best, going to be blunted hard due to the deck's sheer redundancy. It's just not a "sexy" deck because most pros shy away from it and it has the "deck for newbies" stigma attached to it.
I think there is diversity in Legacy but less than I would expect. People can't swap between decks in paper easily. A storm player can swap to Reanimator maybe, but if they don't own Cities they can't swap to most stompy decks. So to an extent paper mtg negates diversity reduction, but even so I think Modern has more, although it is not as fun a format for me.
If decks were as cheap as Modern or Standard we would see action on the ban front.
I am salty over splash damage from Top... I wanted CB gone if anything. I am not that concerned that splash damage from Drs would be any greater. Elves would be strong still. Maybe some Nic fit and Deadguy decks get worse but they would not go down to unplayable like Imperial Painter did.
I do think there needs to be a formal watch list fir Legacy. The format is expensive, and being forewarned allows people to make informed choices.
The problem is that, historically, people treat "this card might be banned" as "this card will be banned" and as a result shy away from using them, don't pick them up for decks, get rid of them if they have them, etc. Watch lists are an intrinsically bad thing because they introduce fear, uncertainty, and doubt into people's card and deck choices, which also has the effect of skewing the data such that it's more difficult to tell if the card actually deserves a ban or not.
If Drs was on the watch list, nobody is going to shy away from him, he is already cheap. Pile and Grixis players still have a bunch of expensive cards that will form a strong deck, and putting Drs on the list won't flood the market with their U Seas any more than it would with Elves' Cradles. It may have that effect on potential Lands or depth players if, say in some alternate world, their tutor or Depths itself was under threat, I can see that, but Tabernacle's cost is more of a bar to Lands, illustrating that Legacy prices stop such panic selling or buying. People do not switch much in Legacy due to availability issues, people swap slowly and a watch list would not change that. Realistically what cards do Wizards ever ban? It is rare for them to ban much, and when they do they rarely totally nerf strategies or decks... Miracles got the big ban but UWx is still exists.
Had Top gone on a watch list I would wager Painter players might have been more wary, and Imperial Recruiter might have been harder to shift than it already was, but I can't see anyone shying away from Miracles, Tundras, Brainstorms or Forces etc. because of it.
If anything I would have played a bit more Prison Pox because in it I used a lot of singletons and Top/Fetch back then. Now I can't use that strategy in the same way I regret not playing it more.
A watch list does not have to be formal, merely a card being mentioned in those months where the van list for Legacy is no change would be sufficient.
I am not advocating it for rotating formats at all for the reasons you describe.
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It's also why I hate the idea of "sacred cow" cards like Brainstorm that should be banned by literally every metric other than "players like it too much to ban it" existing alongside cards that, it seems, inevitably get banned simply to shake up the format.
Oh and dumb crap like Mind Twist is still on the list. What a gong show.
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This is what I am most afraid of. Yes, just like the SDT ban there are decks that are casualties that did nothing wrong (Jund, Elves, Food Chain, Aluren, Manaless Dredge, etc.), but it's the fact these seem reactionary. I liked it A LOT more when Wizards left us alone to police ourselves. Yes it took time, but it was organic and natural. We're less than a year from the SDT ban and frankly, the Grixis Delver meta was because they banned SDT.
It might not be a popular opinion, but I actually preferred the Miracles meta since it was the "top" deck that rewarded a skilled pilot and understanding the format. Grixis Delver any grinder could just pick up and do well. Yeah, it was a problem, but in my opinion, all of this nonsense started once Wizards got too involved in Legacy's banlist. I liked it a lot more when they stayed out.
I wouldn't be surprised in 6 or 12 months when social media is crying for something else to be banned because it's not fun or for the sake of "diversity." Then again, my pet deck (Jund) is pretty much dead now so I could be biased.
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Jund was already pretty terrible in the meta after the SDT ban. I only played it because it's my petdeck and I have enough experience with it that I can still do alright. There is no obvious replacement card and the only other reason to play the shell is Punishing Fire/Grove. You can just play that same interaction in a better deck like Lands, Maverick, or 4C Loam. There's really no reason to play Jund as the grindy outvalue them deck because there are better choices and frankly they were around before the ban.
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Haha and a serious question from a modern player. So why is Mind Twist on the list? T1, ritual, ritual, mind twist, you're down 3 cards, opponent's down 4 cards. Or can you do more nasty things with it?
There used to be many flavours of Delver, many versions of midrange now just two delver and one of them is UR delver, very much the minor cousin to Grixis. I will enjoy playing against Rug again, I will definitely enjoy Wasteland ING greedy opponents and Crucible locks. Minor hits to Elves mean little, and Maverick will continue in differing forms with more variety as do Nic Fit or Deadguy. Financially I take a blow of sorts... I own some Bayous in loan decks that now are unused, I can't afford to just switch into Bug or Rug as I don't have the cards, it will be a rehashed Grixis loan deck minus Bayou. But even then I think the DRS ban will help the format.
Not sure about probe.
I have more interest in Parfait, Stax and Pox archetypes than tiered decks, that is the draw of Legacy to me, so to an extent I am less affected than most, but to be honest I grew tired of good stuff decks like Grixis and Pile.
I wouldn't be that concerned. Elves as a deck is fundamentally still the same deck. You'll replace the DRS with some other mana dork to help you accelerate or things like Birchlore Rangers. You keep black for Abrupt Decay since Chalice on 1 is game over and there are also other things you need to kill like Jitte. I wouldn't be too worried. Elves will live on.
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It's a relic ban from the time this format was Type 1.5 instead of Legacy, basically. There's no way to abuse Mind Twist in any serious capacity, since you'll almost always be better running Hymn to Tourach (along with Snapcaster if you're so inclined) if you want multiple random discards. Or even Rise // Fall though that one's a lot harder to make the mana for now that DRS is gone. If you want to run yourself out of gas to strip your opponent's hand, then cool, but it'd be fiendishly inconsistent at the best of times, since only one Ritual means you're casting for X=2 and thus you're down an extra card basically to Hymn your opponent a turn early.
Even if the game goes long, you're more likely just going to catch a bunch of sandbagged lands or something than anything of value.
Probe was a fine ban since anyone whos played Legacy knows that Probe enabled so many turn 1-2 kills with storm or made it easy to win games with cabal therapy. Deathrite though is pretty stupid. I think sadly Legacy is going the same way as Commander went on MTGO in that one day people will wake up and realize that there are no more fun cards to play in the format and that its Modern 2.0
Not sure how banning Deathrite really changes Legacy other than making some decks slightly worst and some decks slightly better. Delver gets better while elves gets worst. I dont see how any of that really means much. Aggro gets better while control gets worst, not like something that is really good long term or anything we havent seen before.
DRS banning just eliminated Pile from the game, period- and stopped Grixis Delver in its tracks. It is the biggest shake up in ages. Delver (grixis) does not get better, You need to visit the Grixis and Pile threads here or on The Source. If you suggest it is a minor change they will go nuts at you.
I dont see how that matters in the long run though. There will probably be another top tier "pile" control deck in the form of Sulti or another Delver deck in the form of UR Deliver that will be a top deck. Banning Deathrite is like banning Lightning Bolt or Swords to Plowshire, does absolutely nothing for the format.
And Elves losing Deathrite hurts them a bit. They are a little worst against Reanimator and their mana got a little worst. Again, not sure how banning Deathrite helps any real issues that are with Legacy. Deathrite is such a slow card that is so easy to kill, its not broken at all. A card being very good doesnt mean it needs a banning, especially in Legacy to where you have turn 2-3 kills.
There will not be another pile... A 4c deck that runs blood moon in a wasteland format? No chance. It will be 3col at best and wasteland/crucible will work again, Reanimator will get better game ones. UR delver is very different, it is burn with fow. Rug is Rug delver, it plays very differently to grixis and the ban will mean a variety of delver decks, not just grixis.
I am curious to know what you think Legacy's issues are.