Personal request, but would you mind finding the cheapest price for a card, outside of english? Maybe for the top ten at least, since I think players would be more inclined to look up the most budget deck that can perform. Shaving a $100 off a deck simply by buying foreign cards is nothing to discount.
Thanks!
The resource that we used, www.blacklotusproject.com, is a really great price in terms of average. With this is mind, any price of a deck or single can increase or decrease by around 20% if you are a good shopper. Polluted Delta at $25? Find one with some play wear, but is still playable... and you could shave off $5 bucks.
I think most people who buy singles know this, and so I'm not sure how beneficial adding a "lowest value found" would be. I'll do the top 10, just to be nice.
Thanks! Something to keep me busy other than ebay stalking is nice.
Unless you find great deals locally, eBay is without a doubt the best resource for buying singles. They will always beat brick and mortar stores, as well as online retailers. The only thing I know of that beats eBay for prices is if you buy from someone off of a forum, because skipping out on the eBay fee's reduces the price for the buyer.
You know what you could do, is give a guid on where to start.
Take Merfolk for example, if you start with that deck, how much will it cost you to get in Bant, and the like.
Maybe some kind of mapping as to what might be the best way? I dunno.
I think I get what you're saying, but it seems very difficult and a lot of work. I'm also not even sure how I would go about doing it. I know that when I see a new deck type, I can look at it and say "oh, I only need this card and this card and I have the deck!" So, if someone who has a standard merfolk build looks at a NO Bant list... then they are probably going to look at the cost of duals, goyf, and natural orders... as they already have force's and wastelands. Maybe if you could explain in a bit of detail how you would setup your idea?
I think I get what you're saying, but it seems very difficult and a lot of work. I'm also not even sure how I would go about doing it. I know that when I see a new deck type, I can look at it and say "oh, I only need this card and this card and I have the deck!" So, if someone who has a standard merfolk build looks at a NO Bant list... then they are probably going to look at the cost of duals, goyf, and natural orders... as they already have force's and wastelands. Maybe if you could explain in a bit of detail how you would setup your idea?
Yes Exactly.
Say you get Merfolk, you get Staples such as FoW and Wasteland, Aether Vial, yadda yadda.
Now, if I want to build Bant, based on the prices you've listed (thanks for the leg work) Bant would now cost $1045 instead of the $1292 you have listed, and it just goes further from there.
Like now that you have both Bant and Merfolk, Team America costs $818 instead of the $1651 you have listed, which is basically half. It gives a little insight into how easy it is to build Legacy decks once you acquire staples.
Which means to build all 3 would cost $2550, which when looking at Team America alone is a HUGE deal.
If you have FoW and Wasteland, they go into everything. No need to buy em twice. Not very helpful.
Idea, then. In the decks pricing, you could seperate cards that are in many decks to cards that are only in the deck in question (or a few)
Perhaps just having a second price after the whole price that assumes the player already owns fetchlands, duals, jace, goyf, force and wasteland (about as broad a staple list as we are going to get for legacy, no? 3 non-land cards, wasteland, and fetches/duals are the core of the format, really.)
Take Team America like that
4 Mental Misstep $15 ($3.75) 4 Hymn to Tourach $5 ($1.25) 4 Tombstalker $44 ($11.00) 3 Ponder $2 ($.50) 2 Go for the Throat $3 ($1.50) 4 Brainstorm $4 ($1.00) 2 Snuff Out $1 ($.50) 3 Daze $7.50 ($2.50) 2 Spell Pierce $1 ($.50)
Grand Total, minus broad format staples, granted, 32 of the cards in the deck are broad format staples.
So, really, once you have those broad format staples, you can probably build any deck in legacy relatively cheaply.
Granted, a playset of duals, force, waste, goyf, and Jace is probably like 2500 dollars, I don't feel like looking it up, perhaps the OP could check it out and tell us? It would be interesting to know what a playset of the most important cards in legacy goes for.
If you have FoW and Wasteland, they go into everything. No need to buy em twice. Not very helpful.
Idea, then. In the decks pricing, you could seperate cards that are in many decks to cards that are only in the deck in question (or a few)
Perhaps just having a second price after the whole price that assumes the player already owns fetchlands, duals, jace, goyf, force and wasteland (about as broad a staple list as we are going to get for legacy, no? 3 non-land cards, wasteland, and fetches/duals are the core of the format, really.)
Take Team America like that
4 Mental Misstep $15 ($3.75) 4 Hymn to Tourach $5 ($1.25) 4 Tombstalker $44 ($11.00) 3 Ponder $2 ($.50) 2 Go for the Throat $3 ($1.50) 4 Brainstorm $4 ($1.00) 2 Snuff Out $1 ($.50) 3 Daze $7.50 ($2.50) 2 Spell Pierce $1 ($.50)
Grand Total, minus broad format staples, granted, 32 of the cards in the deck are broad format staples.
So, really, once you have those broad format staples, you can probably build any deck in legacy relatively cheaply.
Granted, a playset of duals, force, waste, goyf, and Jace is probably like 2500 dollars, I don't feel like looking it up, perhaps the OP could check it out and tell us? It would be interesting to know what a playset of the most important cards in legacy goes for.
I'll look into it sometime this weekend. Doing a flow chart or cost of deck without certain cards seems silly to me. All someone has to do is simple math when looking at a deck to know the actual cost to them personally. I'll do it if enough people want it, but otherwise seems like wasted effort:
Are these prices not disconcerting to anyone else? Just last year, these prices weren't nowhere near this level, but now... Wow...
Even the price of Affinity has seemed to sky-rocket alongside of Legacy's popularity.
The only, ONLY reason that affinity list is soo high is because it's running a JTMS main board. Which Affinity shouldn't be running, the guy was trying it out.
Take off about $71 from the deck and that's a more realistic price. New Affinity is running Tezz Agent, which makes it cost a lil bit.
The only, ONLY reason that affinity list is soo high is because it's running a JTMS main board. Which Affinity shouldn't be running, the guy was trying it out.
Take off about $71 from the deck and that's a more realistic price. New Affinity is running Tezz Agent, which makes it cost a lil bit.
Another example is that Burn doesn't need to run fetches, so that really scews the prices. Chain Lightning being about $10 now, a solid Burn deck can be made at even as low as $60.
I'll look into it sometime this weekend. Doing a flow chart or cost of deck without certain cards seems silly to me. All someone has to do is simple math when looking at a deck to know the actual cost to them personally. I'll do it if enough people want it, but otherwise seems like wasted effort:
A couple of people were talking about something much more complicated than I was saying, figured that my idea would be alot less time intensive.
Think of it like your flowcharting every deck from "guy with jace, goyf, force, waste, fetch, dual and nothing else"
I would argue that Jace is awesome in affinity, as well as fetches being great for Burn. Can you run it without? Yeah, sure... but the point is that these cards were in a version that went top tier.
Do you guys think Metal Worker decks are well positioned? I'm gonna try and get into this deck next. It looks quite good.
I personally like the deck. This forgemaster(metal worker) deck was created by someone local, and he took it all the way to second place a couple months ago.
Metalworker seems like one of those decks that won't ever be bad, just due to the way it is made.
this is true, as long as things like grim monolith and metalworker remain unbanned.
which they should since they certainly arent format warping in the least.
Im surprised at how cheap LED-Less Dredge is to build. I mean that's a pretty competitive deck right there for super cheap. Although it's not the easiest deck to pilot....
Enchantress used to be pretty cheap, but Moat is killing that slowly.
So, after discussing this over with a few people... I've decided I'm going to stick to my guns with the thread.
1) If you think a list should be different, don't post arguing with it... instead post with a different list that is priced out, and then provide an argument on why that should be the list that represents the deck. My argument for any deck posted is that it has placed, as this is not a budget deck thread... so why would I go about changing a deck to a cheaper option when I have no idea if that deck has the same potential as similar ones that have placed?
2) Letting people know how much a deck would cost if they have "x" card(s) is just a lot of work for not a lot of benefit. I can easily look at a list, and see what cards I would need. This means I only add up the value of what I need, which is fairly simple.
It is pretty amazing though to look at the price of a deck if you have dual lands, fetches, goyf, and fow all in your possession. Mana base alone is what sets back people from playing top tier decks.
I would appreciate if elves are renamed into combo elves cause there is NO version witch top8 at starcity a few months ago,and it's listed in established,while both play elves in order to win they are totally different decks(combo vs. aggro,and don't even mention the fact that they share alot of acards cause that is also true for team america and bugstill).Other then that this is great.
Done, although I'm not sure aggro has placed any time recently. So at this point I just think of the term "elves" as always meaning it has a combo.
A Legacy Magic deck, by Wil Strickland
6th place at a StarCityGames.com Legacy Open tournament in Los Angeles, California, United States on 2011-03-27
As reported at http://www.starcitygames.com/open_series
Click here to see a summary of all decks from StarCityGames.com Invitational
Maindeck:
Sideboard:
2 Relic of Progenitus
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Winter Orb
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
2 Krosan Grip
2 Nature's Claim
1 Gaddock Teeg
I'm not good with computers so I psted it this way,if you check NO elevs thread in established you'll see that I has higher places it simply isn't that popular as combo elves.Thanks for naming it properly,as I might have guessed I play NO elves(witch I believe to be superior to combo simply cause it's more resiliant then combo).
Oh, so close... but no prices! If you put the prices in than I'll put it in the OP.
The resource that we used, www.blacklotusproject.com, is a really great price in terms of average. With this is mind, any price of a deck or single can increase or decrease by around 20% if you are a good shopper. Polluted Delta at $25? Find one with some play wear, but is still playable... and you could shave off $5 bucks.
I think most people who buy singles know this, and so I'm not sure how beneficial adding a "lowest value found" would be. I'll do the top 10, just to be nice.
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Top4 PTQ 8/11/13
11th GP Louisville.
TES
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Unless you find great deals locally, eBay is without a doubt the best resource for buying singles. They will always beat brick and mortar stores, as well as online retailers. The only thing I know of that beats eBay for prices is if you buy from someone off of a forum, because skipping out on the eBay fee's reduces the price for the buyer.
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Take Merfolk for example, if you start with that deck, how much will it cost you to get in Bant, and the like.
Maybe some kind of mapping as to what might be the best way? I dunno.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the amazing sig.
NO RUG: Primer
Tempo Thresh: Primer
I think I get what you're saying, but it seems very difficult and a lot of work. I'm also not even sure how I would go about doing it. I know that when I see a new deck type, I can look at it and say "oh, I only need this card and this card and I have the deck!" So, if someone who has a standard merfolk build looks at a NO Bant list... then they are probably going to look at the cost of duals, goyf, and natural orders... as they already have force's and wastelands. Maybe if you could explain in a bit of detail how you would setup your idea?
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Yes Exactly.
Say you get Merfolk, you get Staples such as FoW and Wasteland, Aether Vial, yadda yadda.
Now, if I want to build Bant, based on the prices you've listed (thanks for the leg work) Bant would now cost $1045 instead of the $1292 you have listed, and it just goes further from there.
Like now that you have both Bant and Merfolk, Team America costs $818 instead of the $1651 you have listed, which is basically half. It gives a little insight into how easy it is to build Legacy decks once you acquire staples.
Which means to build all 3 would cost $2550, which when looking at Team America alone is a HUGE deal.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the amazing sig.
NO RUG: Primer
Tempo Thresh: Primer
If you have FoW and Wasteland, they go into everything. No need to buy em twice. Not very helpful.
Idea, then. In the decks pricing, you could seperate cards that are in many decks to cards that are only in the deck in question (or a few)
Perhaps just having a second price after the whole price that assumes the player already owns fetchlands, duals, jace, goyf, force and wasteland (about as broad a staple list as we are going to get for legacy, no? 3 non-land cards, wasteland, and fetches/duals are the core of the format, really.)
Take Team America like that
4 Mental Misstep $15 ($3.75)
4 Hymn to Tourach $5 ($1.25)
4 Tombstalker $44 ($11.00)
3 Ponder $2 ($.50)
2 Go for the Throat $3 ($1.50)
4 Brainstorm $4 ($1.00)
2 Snuff Out $1 ($.50)
3 Daze $7.50 ($2.50)
2 Spell Pierce $1 ($.50)
Sideboard
3 Pernicious Deed $36 ($12)
3 Phyrexian Revoker $6 ($2)
2 Submerge $5 ($2.50)
1 Ghastly Demise $.50
2 Smother $1 ($.50)
2 Relic of Progenitus $2 ($1.00)
2 Krosan Grip $3 ($1.50)
82.50 main
53.5 side
Grand Total, minus broad format staples, granted, 32 of the cards in the deck are broad format staples.
So, really, once you have those broad format staples, you can probably build any deck in legacy relatively cheaply.
Granted, a playset of duals, force, waste, goyf, and Jace is probably like 2500 dollars, I don't feel like looking it up, perhaps the OP could check it out and tell us? It would be interesting to know what a playset of the most important cards in legacy goes for.
I'll look into it sometime this weekend. Doing a flow chart or cost of deck without certain cards seems silly to me. All someone has to do is simple math when looking at a deck to know the actual cost to them personally. I'll do it if enough people want it, but otherwise seems like wasted effort:
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Even the price of Affinity has seemed to sky-rocket alongside of Legacy's popularity.
The only, ONLY reason that affinity list is soo high is because it's running a JTMS main board. Which Affinity shouldn't be running, the guy was trying it out.
Take off about $71 from the deck and that's a more realistic price. New Affinity is running Tezz Agent, which makes it cost a lil bit.
Heroes of the Plane
The Price of Legacy
The Price of Legacy 2.0!
Decks:
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Malestrom Wanderer Group Chaotic Hugs
Tasigur, The Golden Fang Valu-Town
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G12-Post (Building)G
Another example is that Burn doesn't need to run fetches, so that really scews the prices. Chain Lightning being about $10 now, a solid Burn deck can be made at even as low as $60.
A couple of people were talking about something much more complicated than I was saying, figured that my idea would be alot less time intensive.
Think of it like your flowcharting every deck from "guy with jace, goyf, force, waste, fetch, dual and nothing else"
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
I personally like the deck. This forgemaster(metal worker) deck was created by someone local, and he took it all the way to second place a couple months ago.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=36630
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Metalworker seems like one of those decks that won't ever be bad, just due to the way it is made.
this is true, as long as things like grim monolith and metalworker remain unbanned.
which they should since they certainly arent format warping in the least.
Im surprised at how cheap LED-Less Dredge is to build. I mean that's a pretty competitive deck right there for super cheap. Although it's not the easiest deck to pilot....
Enchantress used to be pretty cheap, but Moat is killing that slowly.
I like Turtles
1) If you think a list should be different, don't post arguing with it... instead post with a different list that is priced out, and then provide an argument on why that should be the list that represents the deck. My argument for any deck posted is that it has placed, as this is not a budget deck thread... so why would I go about changing a deck to a cheaper option when I have no idea if that deck has the same potential as similar ones that have placed?
2) Letting people know how much a deck would cost if they have "x" card(s) is just a lot of work for not a lot of benefit. I can easily look at a list, and see what cards I would need. This means I only add up the value of what I need, which is fairly simple.
It is pretty amazing though to look at the price of a deck if you have dual lands, fetches, goyf, and fow all in your possession. Mana base alone is what sets back people from playing top tier decks.
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Done, although I'm not sure aggro has placed any time recently. So at this point I just think of the term "elves" as always meaning it has a combo.
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
Oh, so close... but no prices! If you put the prices in than I'll put it in the OP.
Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
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Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU
:LEGACY:
XLEDed DredgeX
BTraitor's GateB
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GMolimo, Maro-SorcererG
WRTrias, The Betrayer (Gisela)RW
BRWKaalia, of the VastWRB
Thanks to SushiOtter of Hakai Studios for the awesome banner, and Argetlam of Hakai Studios for the equally awesome avvie!
Generation 2556677: The first time you see this, add it to your sig, but add 1 to the number. Call it a social experiment.
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Legacy
UBWEsper StonebladUBW
RUGRUG DelverRUG
EDH
GUW Angus MackenzieGUW
RWGisela, Blade of GoldnightRW
UBWGRCromatUBWGR
UBLazav, Dimir MastermindUB
UArcum DagssonU