MTG Salvation

So this is me trying to turn my Mesa Enchantress deck into a Selesnya version. The card quality should improve massively by adding green, and probably means that the game plan will be much more proactive rather than durdling with infinite Pacifism effects like before. Not to mention we get to include all the Hexproof creatures except Slippery Bogle into our deck.



Other cards to consider: Gossamer Chains, Commune With the Gods, Benefaction of Rhonas.

Love It! I have a similar deck with Hedge Troll as the Commander.

It has a kind of a Sigarda-esque playstyle to it, tenacious "all-in" enchantment style voltron.

Lotus-Eye Mystics, Yavimaya Enchantress and Humbler of Mortals put in work.

River Boa and Mire Boa are both surprisingly good in these style decks.

Broken Fall and Spidersilk Armor would also serve you well.

*** Qasali Pridemage and Vines of Vastwood are 2 cards that never fail to disappoint.

Thank you so much for the awesome suggestions as usual, TEMUJIN! I will likely be making room for almost all of your suggestions.

How good is Humbler of Mortals? 6 seems like a lot to pay.

Lotus-Eye Mystics can take the place of one of my other three cards that do the same thing. This guy's got a bigger body and Prowess.

Yavimaya Enchantress will be perfect in this deck as another Aura Gnarlid-type creature.

Broken Fall is some sweet tech. It will definitely take the place of Gossamer Chains.

Vines is definitely something I want to run, but I also want to prioritize cards that give protection, as this also gives my creature unblockability. the pump might matter too, though. I'll see what I can do.

Qasali Pridemage seems like a great upgrade to Kor Sanctifiers.

I'm not sure what I could cut for the snakes, though. I agree they're really good. Should I be cutting some of the more fringe Hexproof creatures, or maybe something else than a creature? Maybe Bramble Elemental is too cute.

EDIT: I don't really need Thought Vessel anymore. I'll swap it out for River Boa.

EDIT2: Derp! I forgot I left off at 98 cards! I have room for everything.

Looking good Upkeep!

Humbler of Mortals lets you get damage through in late game protracted/stale boardstates, and as a creature/enchantment can be recurred.
You run a decent amount of enchantment/creature ramp, 6 mana shouldn't really be an issue with your list.

Try Primal Huntbeast over the Conifer Strider, it's more resilient making it a better target for aura buffs.

As an alternative to Bramble Elemental give Wickerbough Elder a try, he's big and carries a nice shotgun.

*** On a side note, one of my favorite non-enchantment cards that I run in my Hedge Troll deck is Horned Helm. Kind of a secondary Rancor.

Thanks again for the suggestions! I'm going to start putting this deck together out of the pieces of my other Enchantress deck.

I forgot to include Primal Huntbeast! Thanks for that catch. The card is definitely on my radar and was a simple omission on my part.

Nice to see your list, Upkeep. I made a Satyr Enchanter-deck myself, but it looks pretty diffrently from yours. I going all in for voltron-style, so none of the green hexproof creatures, which gives me more space for enchantments. I think this is a benefit over dudes, since I want to draw as many cards as possible with my commander. Kruphix's Insight is almost always a power-play, but I do also have 36 enchantments in the deck Also playing Commune with the Gods and Benefaction of Rhonas. Rofellos's Gift can also pull its weight.

Protection for Satyr Enchanter is essentiel, so I play all sorts of 1cmc protection, along with Coalition Honor Guard and Standard Bearer.

I recommend adding Lignify to your pacifisms, since it can flat out destroy other decks by making their commander a 0/4. Also, Lotus Petal goes into all my PDH decks - it's like Mana Vault for pauper

Thanks for the input, rogerandover. I appreciated it a lot! Would you be so kind as to take the time to put up your own list here? I would really like to compare with what you came up with!

I originally wanted to build a lot like you with tons of auras, but as I did my research I found less and less worthwhile enchantments to play. This prompted me to switch into using hexproof creatures. I have yet to test it out and tell you how it goes. My missing cards are still in the mail!

Do you think that the auras you play are all worth their weight over something like Silhana Ledgewalker? Are there any offensive auras that I am missing that you would recommend I add? I am still unsure if I have too many hexproof creatures and should be running more auras instead.

I am running quite a few protection spells, but have found that the best ones are the ones you can play on turns 1 or 2 to allow you to play your commander on turn 3 with protection. Benevolent Bodyguard, Standard Bearer and Angelic Renewel are the key protection spells to have, I think.

I would certainly like to play all the enchantment-digging spells, but had difficulty justifying them because of the lower number of enchantments I run, as you mentioned. Do you also play Vessel of Nascency? I suppose I could also play Commune with the Gods and Benefaction of Ronaswithout having to worry about wiffing. Are these cards that important that you would play them even on top of your commanders' card draw ability? I found that when playing Mesa Enchantress that my hand was quite full, though I did sandbag a lot of Pacifisms. I'm mostly wondering if it would be overkill.

Good point on Lignify. That will definitely make the cut over another Pacifism!

Sure! And no problem at all. I appreciate looking at your list, so don't mind returning the favor.

First off, let me say I'm at all no expert on PDH - I do play once in a while on cockatrice, and talked with another player who plays alot more said it was pretty risky going all in on my commander, he feared edicts. I saw him play a game with his Satyr-deck, and I most say it looked pretty good. But I guess I fear not drawing cards more.
And another thing, I begane making PDH decks since some players in my playgroup didn't have resources enough to keep up with my decks, so wanted to build something that could keep up in a regular EDH-setting which is why I focused entirely on the commander. A 1/1 with evasion isn't that frightening against normal EDH-decks

Here's my current list:

Thanks so much for taking the time to post your list! It's so nice to have someone to compare with and talk about choices.

I do have a few suggestions:
I see you aren't running Conviction. That card is such an engine when combined with our commander and is the reason we can draw so many cards over the course of the game. You are playing a few of the other cards like it, but Conviction also pumps power and especially tougness, making it invaluable, in my opinion. I think I would cut Sun Clasp for it, since Clasp bounces the creature which is much worse.

I don't think I would play Afterlife over another enchantment removal spell. It doesn't interact with your commander, is expensive and even leaves the opponent with a flyer. Destroying a Commander also means that they can just recast it again, instead of it sitting on the battlefield, potentially useless. Suppression Bonds is still well worth the 4 mana, in my opinion. The only advantage Afterlife gets is being instant speed.

You have an impressive suite of protection spells. That being said, I think I would play Emerge Unscathed over Ranger's Guile. Colour protection is usually more valuable than hexproof because it does pretty much the same stuff and more. Emerge lets you save your creature and then get in for an unblockable attack on your turn. Or just two turns of unblockable attacks. I think it's well worth the trade for +1/+1. Dawn Charm is also a card I'm very fond of now. It's a Fog, a Protection spell and counters things like Chainer's Edicts or a deadly Rolling Thunder. I think it's definitely worth a spot over something like Ajani's Presence.

In terms of Pump spells, we run pretty much the same gamut, but I see you're not playing Predatory Hunger or Moldervine Cloak. The former is great in multiplayer and lets the creature keep the counters even if the aura is bounced/destroyed. The latter is guarantees you a decently big pump spell (and incidentally card draw) if ever you end up stalled out.

Other than that, I think some of your cards might be better served as a handful of hexproof creatures. Something like Fists of Ironwood is generally inefficient with your game plan and could instead be a naturally evasive Silhana Ledgewalker. Sumala Woodshaper is severely outclassed by so many of your other digging spells that I feel it would be better served as a Primal Huntbeast, who's beefy body makes him resilient to mass removal to begin with and makes him an ideal target for stacking auras.

In general I really like what you've built and will be making a lot of adjustments to my own build. Thank you again! I hope some of my comments were also helpful.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to post your list! It's so nice to have someone to compare with and talk about choices.

I do have a few suggestions:
I see you aren't running Conviction. That card is such an engine when combined with our commander and is the reason we can draw so many cards over the course of the game. You are playing a few of the other cards like it, but Conviction also pumps power and especially tougness, making it invaluable, in my opinion. I think I would cut Sun Clasp for it, since Clasp bounces the creature which is much worse.

HAHA, totally misread that Sun Clasp bounced the enchanted creature, not itself! lol, actually think I cut Conviction because I liked the art on Sun Clasp better. It will be replaced!

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I don't think I would play Afterlife over another enchantment removal spell. It doesn't interact with your commander, is expensive and even leaves the opponent with a flyer. Destroying a Commander also means that they can just recast it again, instead of it sitting on the battlefield, potentially useless. Suppression Bonds is still well worth the 4 mana, in my opinion. The only advantage Afterlife gets is being instant speed.

You might be right here. I really just like having something at instant speed. Some decks just need their commander to "go off", Afterlife can hinder that.

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You have an impressive suite of protection spells. That being said, I think I would play Emerge Unscathed over Ranger's Guile. Colour protection is usually more valuable than hexproof because it does pretty much the same stuff and more. Emerge lets you save your creature and then get in for an unblockable attack on your turn. Or just two turns of unblockable attacks. I think it's well worth the trade for +1/+1. Dawn Charm is also a card I'm very fond of now. It's a Fog, a Protection spell and counters things like Chainer's Edicts or a deadly Rolling Thunder. I think it's definitely worth a spot over something like Ajani's Presence.

Yup, Satyr Enchanter is a very big target. I really like your point about Dawn Charm - love that card aswell (and actually just begone testing an Azorius Turbofog build inspired by yours - still with Jace's Erasure though )

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In terms of Pump spells, we run pretty much the same gamut, but I see you're not playing Predatory Hunger or Moldervine Cloak. The former is great in multiplayer and lets the creature keep the counters even if the aura is bounced/destroyed. The latter is guarantees you a decently big pump spell (and incidentally card draw) if ever you end up stalled out.

I could see myself putting those two in, though I tend to dislike stuff that doesn't do anything right away.

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Other than that, I think some of your cards might be better served as a handful of hexproof creatures. Something like Fists of Ironwood is generally inefficient with your game plan and could instead be a naturally evasive Silhana Ledgewalker. Sumala Woodshaper is severely outclassed by so many of your other digging spells that I feel it would be better served as a Primal Huntbeast, who's beefy body makes him resilient to mass removal to begin with and makes him an ideal target for stacking auras.

Been on the fence about the Woodshaper aswell, so think I'll cut it. Fists was there to add fodder for edicts and the trample, but with all the protection, that might not be need anyways.

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In general I really like what you've built and will be making a lot of adjustments to my own build. Thank you again! I hope some of my comments were also helpful.

Thanks alot, Upkeep, and thanks for all the suggestions. Deffinitely some food for thought. And btw - do you still play your Tatyova, Benthic Druid deck?

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In general I really like what you've built and will be making a lot of adjustments to my own build. Thank you again! I hope some of my comments were also helpful.

Thanks a lot, Upkeep, and thanks for all the suggestions. Definitely some food for thought. And btw - do you still play your Tatyova, Benthic Druid deck?

I haven't played with Tatyova in a while! There are some really cool additions to the deck that have come up recently, so I will have to go back to it and make some changes. It's a really awesome deck!

One thing I forgot to mention: I always play a copy of Celestial Flare in all my White PDH decks. This is the only card that can get rid of a hexproof general in our colours, as far as I know. Ascended Lawmage and Nightveil Predator are going to be very powerful opposing decks that GW decks won't have many answers to.

I made a few changes to my list based on yours. I still really want to put in Gossamer Chains into the deck (Pauper Maze of Ith that draws cards? Yes.). Benefaction of Rhonas I will eventually find room for as well, but I'm less inclined to include it.

Great suggestion on Celestial Flare. Will definitely be adding that. Nightveil Predator is dangerous for sure. Havn't played against Lawmage, but I guess he's just as evil.
And yeah, Gossamer Chains is nice. Very annoying to play against. And the added draw is just gravy.

About Tatyova, I think I wanted your thoughts on a couple of cards. But it will be nice to see your update. I think my deck is pretty much where I want it. Hopefully I get to play it the coming weekend