Quote from Weebo »How has Arclight Phoenix been working for you? The body doesn't feel all that relevant in EDH and you're not using it for sac fodder or anything, which is usually where self recurring creatures shine. Is it primarily blocking?
Quote from Weebo »That's fair. Pressuring walkers does seem like a good use of it if very meta dependent.
I'm likely to put something like this together soon but in my case it's mostly because of Bonus Round and Thousand-Year Storm. It's about time for my biannual "annoy the group by playing solitaire" spellslinger deck.
Quote from LikeACircus »How do you think this deck would perform if Niv-Mizzet 3.0 was at the helm? Iv'e toyed with the idea of "Cantrip Tribal", but I am a little scared to try it lol.
Quote from SafetyValve »I honestly think Niv would give the deck too much attention. Nobody cares about Jori in my experience, which gives you plenty of time to vomit cantrips.
Quote from thomeyis »How does this deck perform in a meta full of boardwipes and creature removal? I did a bit of goldfishing and while I like how the deck plays out in general, it seems like finishing off opponents is tough if your creatures don't stick. Would you throw in a combo win, more control, or something else? Sentinel Tower?
Also, I understand several reasons not to include it in this deck, but not having Thousand-Year Storm in a deck full of cantrips just doesn't feel right to me. I'd try to cram it in just for the principle, even if it put a huge target on my head and/or got removed immediately.
Quote from vandertroll »Really cool deck idea! Did you consider using cards such as High Tide and some red rituals to increase the ability to chain spells on a round or your available mana is more than enough?
Quote from SafetyValve »So I'm thinking about trying this build with Adeliz, the Cinder Wind as the commander. Jori-En is great but lacks a win condition. Adeliz trades draw for a reliable wincon, and I feel like is still pretty low threat?
Quote from SmauG »I had initially built an UR (non infitie combo) spellslinger deck with Niv Mizzet, Parun as my commander, but After reading this topic i decided to drop in Jori En, Ruin Diver i had laying around as the number one for yesterdays games. In the same effort i dropped the mana curve while maintaining my land count a little high to Ensure my wincon's come online in an ordinary fashion.
I have to say, thank you for the idea! Jori En, Ruin Diver provides so much value over the course of the game, drawing me tons of cards all while staying under the radar long enough for the table to realize it's too late, slinging multiple spells and a turn and refueling every time.
Besides this, i can still swap my commander for either Niv Mizzet, Parun or The Locust, making this a deck of many faces.
From the 4 games we played (3 and 4 player tables) i won 3 with the following list in a meta of: Marchesa, the black rose, Edgar Markov, Kaalia of the Vast, Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Animar, Soul of Elements and Aminatou, the Fateshifter !
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Commander1 Jori En, Ruin Diver12 Island7 Mountain1 Command Tower1 Scalding Tarn1 Polluted Delta1 Flooded Strand1 Wooded Foothills1 Arid Mesa1 Seat of the Synod1 Great Furnace1 Lonely Sandbar1 Forgotten Cave1 Steam Vents1 Shivan Reef1 Cascade Bluffs1 Sulfur Falls1 Temple of Epiphany1 Izzet Boilerworks1 Riptide Laboratory1 Reliquary Tower1 Terrain GeneratorCreatures1 Snapcaster Mage1 Baral, Chief of Compliance1 Goblin Electromancer1 Young Pyromancer1 Firebrand Archer1 Electrostatic Field1 Chasm Skulker1 Guttersnipe1 Trinket Mage1 Murmuring Mystic1 Talrand, Sky Summoner1 Docent of Perfection1 Psychosis Crawler1 Arjun, The Shifting Flame1 Niv-Mizzet, The Firemind1 Niv-Mizzet, Parun1 The Locust GodSorcery1 Faithless Looting1 Preordain1 Ponder1 Serum Visions1 Past in Flames1 Khorvath's Fury1 Brass's BountyInstant1 Brainstorm1 Opt1 Lightning Bolt1 Lightning Strike1 Arcane Denial1 Radical Idea1 Expansion // Explosion1 Mission Briefing1 Chaos Warp1 Wizard's Lightning1 Electrolyze1 Frantic Search1 Dream Fracture1 Comet Storm1 Stroke of Genius1 Chemister's Insight1 Fateful Showdown1 Commit // Memory1 Cryptic Command1 Mystic Confluence1 Spell Swindle1 Cyclonic RiftArtifact1 Elixir of Immortality1 Skullclamp1 Expedition Map1 Sky Diamond1 Fire Diamond1 Coldsteel Heart1 Izzet Signet1 Primal Amulet1 Gilded LotusEnchantment1 Rhystic Study1 Propaganda1 Ever-Watching Threshold1 Leyline of Anticipation1 Mindmoil1 Thousand-Year Storm
I've had a lot of fun with it!
MVP's were Jori En, Ruin Diver herself, both Niv's, any token producer or pinger in general and the win-conditions, especially: Thousand-Year Storm, Primal Amulet, Khorvath's Fury and Expansion // Explosion. The combinations of these only multiplies their strengths. Great cards.
Honorable mention: The Locust God together with Skullclamp is just so nasty!
I really didn't like the looting effects in this deck (or in EDH/Commander in general). What is your oppinion on Faithless Looting and Frantic Search. Discarding feels bad most of the time unless i'm sure i can reuse the spell i ditch.
Quote from SmauG »Thanks for the reply! The deck was fun enough to play to warant tweaking further!
On the topic of Unsubstantiate like effects, the card is very good and i have been considering and Into the Roil and Blink of an Eye to keep on theme. At one time i had Venser, Shaper Savant in the deck as it functions so well with the wizards toolbox side of my deck as repeatable interaction. In the end it got cut for something more straightforward and cheaper.
As to your last comment about shatter effects.
I had my eyes on Molten Frame and Smash as they both serve double purpose in the deck.
I'd still like to know how you feel about the looting effects. Are they really worth it? I've had hands where i wanted the draw, but really didn't want to discard