Quote from Darksteel_Eye »As I lack the amount of planeswalkers to do this list, I'm thinking a bit of a tap down theme would be good. This list looks great tho, I felt burned out on izzet after playing Locus God, and I've barely had my Jhoira deck build for two weeks, it looks like I'll be having two izzet decks in my box that do different shenanigans!!!
Quote from Schreckstoff »I've finally been able to knock off the final cards needed for my build, didn't find a particular theme to stick to though nor did I go deep on the combos.
I went for a small nonbasic land hate theme to stall/lock the game out. The rest is a rather generic control deck.
Cards I've not seen mentioned have been Twisted Image and Inside Out. They work really well w/ Will's plus. Also haven't seen Time Spiral that generates mana w/ Will's minus.
Quote from Skulduggery Kain »This deck is pretty sweet, and has inspired me to take my own spin on it. Also, fyi you have 35 lands, not 34.
Quote from Schreckstoff »Got a couple games in w/ the Twins and won 2 of them on the back of Obliterate. Will is the centrepiece of the deck but he's only there to Ult Rowan. Finished one of those games by getting 6 Chandra Emblems.
Kefnet and Locust God, have been my overperformers at protecting Twins But getting in a position to comfortably cast either of them has been difficult. They are bad vs conuntermagic and need only few creatures on the field. You almost want another control deck on the table.
Quote from Are_you_even_capable_of_fun »So if the plan is making mana off planeswalkers, why no Chandra, Bold Pyromancer?
Quote from Schreckstoff »alright played a good 12 hours of EDH over the last 2 days w/ the Twins. Best I can describe how my version plays is midrange, it's not really a control deck or stax or superfriends but it tries to play big stuff and keep some control of the board until it can profitably cast Obliterate. I took out Inside Out for now for Jaya Ballard and Primal Amulet for Mana Vault.
Still trying to stay away from Teferi but that just might be a fool's errand.
Quote from Schreckstoff »I own one already from my Narset Superfriends list but didn't want to run him cause he pretty much invalidates the commanders imo, by being better than them in the same deck as the commander.
Gonna have to find room for Darksteel Citadel and Cascading Cataracts since the only anti synergy is Back to Basics.
Quote from Schreckstoff »With Obliterate and Jokulhaups overlooking Enchantments, it might be a good idea to go deeper in that regard. As Foretold would be an option if it wasn't so slow w/ the deck being as high CMC as it is. The only other option for mana generating enchantments is Trove of Temptation funnily enough, which might still be good as PWs are going to be attacked anyway. I basically never run Darksteel Ingot as it's a 3 mana rock that only ramps by 1 and w/ basically no extra utility but Indestructible is actually that in this type of deck.
Oboro is a good call but at some point adding theses lands makes Back to Basics, Vedalken Shackles, Koth of the Hammer and/or Crucible of Worlds worse by not running enough of them anymore or cutting fetchlands.
Quote from Are_you_even_capable_of_fun »Makes sense, Karn's only really good at being colorless. Have you considered Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain or Honor-Worn Shaku?
Quote from DementedKirby »I'm really looking to build a UR Superfriends with the twins at the helm since I can't run red planeswalkers in my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice build. So I'm really interested in where you take this.
However, I did see a mistake in how you're using Rowan's emblem with Chandra, Torch of Defiance. Her emblem doesn't allow duplicating mana abilities, so Chandra won't give RRRR.
Quote from Gashnaw »i am trying this deck out, but since i do not have money to buy 300 dollar cards. i have to make some tweaks.
I do wish that you however explained some card choices a bit better. Like why you chose those planewalkers as opposed to not using Chandra, Bold Pyromancer instead of Chandra Pyromancer. While i know what Tamiyo does, her other abilities are a littel sub par in my opinion. Why are you not running the other jaces (mainly beleren)
Quote from Gashnaw »True, tamiyo's emblem and any extra turn spell (aside form ones that shuffle into your deck (Beacon of tomorrows) or one that exile themselves (Expropriate) plus Omniscience is infinite turns.
I need to get ugin, i have scion and see little need for liberated. I mean i guess his +1 and -3 are good and all, but i am not about to spend 100 bucks on him. (ugin is still 45 and thus still appealing)
I think i will still run bold pyromancer, Her -7 is niche only. Downfall is that you need to activate Will twice to have her recast herself. (unless you have Rowan's emblem. Geeze rowan's emblem is pretty key in this deck.
Issue with Scion of urza is while he does give card advantage the secondary ability can be a problem. I would not want to get both cloudstone curio and The chain veil and then have karn killed before i can bring the one with a silver counter into play. Granted that is not the most likely of scenarios, but i can see to many times when i get two cards i want and end up losing one due to an attack at karn.
EDIT: Mu Yanling may be something to add to the deck. (I am buying the duel deck anyway to add to my battelbox.) And we need a blue PW that adds UU to the mana pool as a [+] ability.
Quote from Schreckstoff »Karn Scion of Urza is a win condition, his Constructs get out of hand fast especially doubled. He's also fantastic powered out early.
Something I've been thinking about is Stasis there's a variety of PWs (Tezzeret, Koth, Ral) that can keep it up indefinitely by plussing.
Quote from Schreckstoff »W/ just a 2 other mana rocks Karn spits out 3/3s if you have a Rowan Emblem 2 that pump each other, you're likely to hit for 10 the next turn. It's a fast clock and also a huge wall.
Anyway I adjusted my build today w/ including the indestructible lands and mana rock as well as As Foretold and am very happy w/ the changes. As expected As Foretold doesn't cast many things but it's fantastic w/ Obliterate, ended up cutting Ruination which I'm still conflicted over.
Once again Will has shown himself to be the support to getting an Emblem w/ Rowan, which then makes the deck play on a whole different level. Fetchlands become ramp! I don't even try to go for Will's emblem anymore.