Quote from GalspanicThat's a bad idea even for you.
Quote from kraus911 »This is the first deck I've seen in a long time that I flat out want to build and play as is. Awesome crafting and evolution!
Quote from GrenzoEDH »Any thought to Vindictive Vampire at all? It does provide additional sacrifice value in the same style as Zulaport Cutthroat. No non-token clause either.
Quote from scourge of the kitchen table »From my experience, since we're curving into Grenzo on turn three it is nice to have some two-drops to add value to the board. This sets us up for the mid-game as each creature already present on the board adds to the strength of each flip.
It depends how hard you want to prioritize the drain life effects. I wouldn't see anything wrong with playing all three (though Zulaport Cutthroat is the essential one).
Quote from PenThief »I am wondering if you have suggestions on how to tune this deck to play in no particular meta. I dont have a playgroup but go to a couple large stores in my area for FNM commander pods and some casual games. There are so many different people I end up playing with, its hard to pin down which cards should be a standard if I never know what im up against. Some people play really competitive, but others maybe 50%. I've flip-flopped on cards likeSilent Arbiter, Balthor the Defiled and Mindclaw Shaman though the deck always preforms really well. Its just tough when you know you dont happen to have a good answer for a specific problem when it comes up.
Quote from kraus911 »Got the deck put together, ready to play. Subbed in Hell's Caretaker as I love that card. Am also curious about Millikin... do you find it useful to get the random dump into the graveyard? Was thinking of swapping out Plague Myr for it.
Quote from manugl84 »@snowfox54119
First of all, congrats for your work on this deck. Insanely fun!
Second, I have a couple of questions:
1. No love for balthor the defiled? I see you got inspiration from Zervintz list, who plays it. I think it´s great for this deck (it won me a couple of matches last week).
2. How about your latest changes? (judith, the scourge diva, kuldotha forgemaster and emrakul's hatcher).
Quote from Dromar the Banisher »Been playing Grenzo for the past few years and I'm curious what people like for a graveyard hate package. I don't play against a ton of graveyard shenanigans but there is a Meren deck that can be annoying quite once it gets going. Of course there's our old buddy Junktroller who serves multiple purposes in this deck but I like to have access to a little more than that.
I've had some success with Withered Wretch as a 2 power creature that Grenzo can flip and it's something fairly cheap to activate. Also holding mana up for Wretch goes hand-in-hand with what Grenzo wants to do anyways so it interacts nicely in that regard.
Similarly I've also tried Nezumi Graverobber but I've never actually managed to flip it so it's basically a Withered Wretch that's more expensive to use (and also needs colored mana). The flipped version does have a strong effect but if that never comes up then I have to deem the card not worthwhile.
There's also stuff like Crypt Creeper and Heap Doll which are kind of neat as they sac themselves but probably a bit too weak of an effect overall.
Bojuka Bog is an obvious freeroll in this deck. One shot exile someone's grave is handy. Can be a bit awkward if you draw it too early but I'm usually pretty happy having one in my deck.
Yet to try some other non-creatures like Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb, Tormod's Crypt, Rakdos Charm, etc though I think for the most part I don't really want em since creatures tend to be better (especially in the case of Relic which nukes my own GY).
Looking through some cards I found Agent of Erebos which is a Tormod's crypt ETB effect on a creature. With a sac outlet/recursion you could in theory use it multiple times so that might be another good option. Anyone tested with it?
Also curious why no mention of Cloak and Dagger in the primer. This card is often better than any of the Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots type of effects in this deck since it not only auto equips to Grenzo but even boosts his power so you can save mana on casting him. Obviously adding non-creatures isn't ideal but I do think this equipment is worthwhile.
Quote from Hoboz »For Grenzo, I think it's easier to just focus on the actual pieces that are recurring instead of the cards in the grave. Kill Meren with more copies of Rav. Chups and friends, use Sharpshooter triggers to find ways to clear Meren out. When it comes to targeted graveyard hate, it can be really low impact. Better to nuke a grave, and we don't have a good creature choice for that (I think?).
Quote from PenThief »Ok so in my FNM randomish meta, i have run into a lot of superfriends or just janky PW style decks. Which do you think would be a better add Thief of Blood or Vampire Hexmage or both/something else?
Quote from Fajen Thygia »Petrified Field is another nice land. Getting back Urborg after you've flipped Ghast, getting back Nykthos after someone's Stripped it...
An old one that I've been considering for my deck is City of Shadows. Between my tokens and my opponent's wraths, I think this might actually fit.