Quote from theCreecH »Okay I have to weigh in here: Possibility Storm why? I don't care that you get the extra cast trigger; if that really mattered then you would be better off playing Anointed Procession in every single possible way imaginable on down to crazy synergy with Purphoros, God of the Forge to everything else in the deck. But you don't like Anointed Procession so there's gotta be something more to it for you.
The chaos it sows?? No. This could backfire in so many ways imaginable and I don't like the unpredictable all that much. Everyone knows Wheel of Fortune is an amazing card because of it's card advantage vs. cost ratio plus what it does to wreck your opponent's hands in multiplayer.
I feel the deck would benefit more from Sensei's Divining Top. If you add Imperial Seal (and I believe you know that you should) not only does it help you draw into something immediately important with it but it has amazing synergy with my best friend, Dark Confidant.
Quote from Drain Life »Thanks for the reply and all the good content. I never see myself spending this kind of money on vampires any time soon, it is nice to see what a budgetless deck can do, and how different it looks.
On a budget, the flow of games is quite dofferent, and I personally value my vampires differently.
In your case, fetch lands into dual lands and expensive fast mana rocks and one mana fast tutors into necropotence allow you to throw out a pile of one drops and keep a full hand... all in the first 3 or 4 turns.
On my budget and my playgroup, we are buying mana confluence amd city of brass to reduce how many lands come into play tapped. Without Purphoros, God of the Forge or the ability to reliably hit Malakir Bloodwitxh whenever I want, a pile of 1 drops isn't going to give me nearly the value as it does in your build. Nevertheless, I can clearly understand why, after your reply and battle report(s), that they are what you prefer.
Quote from Drain Life »As far as money goes, I do not live in the USA. I teach English as a second language in Peru. For some perspective, my 2 bedroom 2 bathroom apartment is 1,400 soles, or about $410 a month. To say that a deck is about $1,500 or about 4 months rent is cheap is relative to your perspective.
Honestly, I own single copies of fetch lands, mana crypt, fast tutors and so forth thanks to eternal masters... which are mostly being used in my Breya artifact combo deck.
I could probaly build about 70% of this deck, minus some of the vampires and the red gods. I am unlikely ever to own some of the old cards, as shipping costs to peru is a joke along with our customs office. The best hope is arranging when magic players go to the states to bring stuff back... so it had better be worth it.
When you say a lower budget "only pushes you a turn or two back," that is an understatement if there ever was one. Turn one fetch land into a dual land into a fast tutor, turn 2 mana crypt and god of the forge, then turn 3 a pile of one drops to dish out tons of damage if MUCH different than playing Scry temples, signets, ambition's cost and diabolic tutor. It is more than just one or two turns... more like a turn 6 win is looking like turn 9 or 10 at best?
Please do not misunderstand me. I love what I see here and enjoy imagining and seeing what this can do. I applaud your efforts. I am just giving some perspective.
What interests me the most is the idea of churning out lots of vampires and giving them quality evasion like menace, then pumping the swarm after blockers are declared with mirror entity.
My current version of the deck has done its best on the budget I am working with. I recently added pain lands and replaced the bad etb tapped lands with scry temples. I added the likes of city of brass, mana confluence and unclaimed territory to color production. The red and white hideaway lands are quite interesting and came in last year's commander decks. They work perfect when you are going wode with tokens. It is easy to trigger either of them. Right now I am just focused on fixing, card draw, threats, removal, and anthem/evasion/protection effects for my army. Casting a rootborn defense or boros charm into a board wipe feels so good.
If my group gets really competitive, I might move cards over from breya and even print some place holder proxies and copy your list until I can get the missing cards. That is why the internet is so great.
I love these forums, if for nothing else, for the quality of the people here. This is the best community in magic and you guys are why.
P.S. Now compare that to Inalla, which my wife owns. That deck is only missing $3 Ashnod's Altar as a two card combo with her commander and our vampire wizard. She can go turn 2 signet, turn three cast a diabolic tutor or do wizard cycling with that common from future sight to find what she needs and she can go off on turn 5 on a budget of under $10... compared to your "$300" cards which might do something by turn 8?
That is some perspective as well.
Dragons can change to Scion and wreck our day with a fetched up a $3 Nicol Bolas from Tine Spiral before we get to turn 6 or 7. Slow8ng down a few turns changes the whole game, and is why your friends scooped. It wasn't that they coukdn't do anything... it was that they coukdn't do anything that quickly.
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I am waiting for some cards in the mail so I thought I would wait to play my list this week. I did come across Tainted Pact though due to another discussion in the banned list discussion forums and started wondering if it was a card I should consider running. My list as it is in the OP has only 4 swamps as the only redundancy in my list. Its interesting in that its cheap to cast and while its not a tutor really it could be a lot more interesting than something like Sign in Blood as it can keep going until we find a card we want.
I just thought I would start up some discussion to see if anyone else had a thought on the card.
Quote from Jund4Life »I noticed that you have 2 deck lists in the post now. Which one is current and updated?
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COMMANDER (1)1 Edgar MarkovCREATURES (39)1 Duskborne Skymarcher1 Falkenrath Gorger1 Guul Draz Assassin1 Guul Draz Vampire1 Indulgent Aristocrat1 Insolent Neonate1 Pulse Tracker1 Quag Vampires1 Serra Ascendant1 Shadow Alley Denizen1 Stromkirk Noble1 Vampire Cutthroat1 Vampire Lacerator1 Vicious Conquistador1 Viscera Seer1 Blood Artist1 Blood Seeker1 Bloodghast1 Bloodthrone Vampire1 Dark Confidant1 Olivia's Bloodsworn1 Stoneforge Mystic1 Tithe Drinker1 Vampire Interloper1 Zulaport Cutthroat1 Athreos, God of Passage1 Captivating Vampire1 Drana, Liberator of Malakir1 Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle1 Mirror Entity1 Rakish Heir1 Stromkirk Captain1 Tymna the Weaver1 Yahenni, Undying Partisan1 Bloodline Keeper1 Iroas, God of Victory1 Purphoros, God of the Forge1 Sanctum Seeker1 Malakir BloodwitchARTIFACT (6)1 Chrome Mox1 Mana Crypt1 Mox Diamond1 Skullclamp1 Sol Ring1 Tangle WireENCHANTMENT (8)1 Legion's Landing1 Reconnaissance1 Cover of Darkness1 Goblin Bombardment1 Dark Prophecy1 Goblin War Drums1 Grasp of Fate1 NecropotenceINSTANT (5)1 Enlightened Tutor1 Vampiric Tutor1 Anguished Unmaking1 Fire Covenant1 Ad NauseamSORCERY (7)1 Gamble1 Imperial Seal1 Demonic Tutor1 Diabolic Intent1 Mizzium Mortars1 Wheel of Fortune1 Austere CommandLAND (34)1 Arid Mesa1 Badlands1 Blood Crypt1 Bloodstained Mire1 Cavern of Souls1 Command Tower1 Fetid Heath1 Flooded Strand1 Gemstone Caverns1 Godless Shrine1 Graven Cairns1 Mana Confluence1 Marsh Flats1 Mountain1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx1 Phyrexian Tower1 Plains1 Plateau1 Polluted Delta1 Rugged Prairie1 Sacred Foundry1 Scalding Tarn1 Scrubland1 Strip Mine4 Swamp1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth1 Vault of the Archangel1 Verdant Catacombs1 Volrath's Stronghold1 Windswept Heath1 Wooded Foothills
Quote from Tev »I've been toying with the idea of Stromkirk Condemned. It's a great force multiplier, the only issue is if you have sufficient card draw. Considering you run much lower to the ground than me and you're more tribal than my agnostic tokens build, I was wondering why you haven't included it?
Quote from dachivale »@ Tev
I think that ISBP didn't add it, cause he didn't have anything he could potentially madness into play or abuse for the discard... I do agree that it is a great card though.. also I think he has said in an earlier reply that the double black would be sometimes an issue...
Am not sure if I am saying it correctly, but that is mostly what I have assessed from earlier discussions about card choices... ^^
@ ISBP, I think you are right in not adding Tainted Pact, as some have stated it's more a combo helping card, it's 2 mana and overall cost (removing cards) is not worth it's inclusion, I would even go so far as to say that the low costing draw cards are probably better included over this if you really need more draw/search... but even those are not the most optimal I would assume.. though I personally do play the low costing draw cards cause I don't own some of the better options or don't have them in my list (as I might have stated/said earlier)
Quote from benjameenbear »My brother recently built a list that is similar to this one, and he asked me to take a look at it and suggest some cuts. Well, it's so difficult that I could only really cut like 3-4 cards for him to slot in some new Vamps he purchased during Black Friday. The biggest issue, as noted, is how card advantage light he is. He runs out of gas quickly, and having a few wraths occur turn after turn is hard for him to come back from.
He and I were looking around and we rediscovered Cloudstone Curio for the deck. We think it's a great card because it allows you to maintain virtual card advantage, in that you're able to pick up actual vampire spells when Edgar spawns a token. It allows you to loop a couple of your CMC 1 Vampires a few times to build up your army quickly without totally dumping your hand onto the table. Curio is cheap in CMC so it can come down quickly in the early game and provide long-term value faster, it's decently easy to find with the various staple B tutors and Enlightened Tutor. The real question of course becomes "What to cut?" Anyways, I'm a blue player at heart, and swarming isn't really my style, but the deck is really quite good if you're playing with no-combo decks.
Quote from theCreecH »Holy ***** http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/rivals-of-ixalan/33684-vonas-hunger
Quote from ctaylor33 »Throne of the God-Pharaoh would be good in this deck.
Also, here are some possible vamps to consider:
Adanto Vanguard - for four life it can survive a wrath; plus its +2/0 is nice.
Bloodcrazed Paladin - his flash ability is nice. Your opponent wraths the board, you can flash in afterward and get the counters.
Asylum Visitor - possible card draw and 3/1 for two isn't bad either.
Metallic Mimic - not necessarily a vamp and does not trigger Edgar, but the +1/+1 counters is bonkers; even the tokens get the counters.
Quote from Decimator1 »Do we like Elenda, the Dusk Rose? We have a fair amount of sac outlets, so powering her up wouldn't be too much of a problem, but that seems a little iffy to me.
Also, Glorious Destiny seems like a good addition. At worst, it's an anthem, but we tend to get to 10 permanents pretty quickly, and it becomes a lot better once we do.
Quote from ISBPathfinder »Legion Lieutenant oh snap..... now that.... is a vampire. That is going in so fast my head spins. This is the kind of vampires I want to see. I could see like 8 more of them and every one of them would make the list lol.
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It seems that Rivals of Ixalan will provide some goodies after all! Hopefully you'll be able to swap out lukewarm cards for cards like Legion Lieutenant and similar vampires from the set.
Quote from theCreecH »Champion of Dusk for the win... The only thing it didn't have that really really really would have made this card over the top (it's already bonkers for our deck, but still I'm always looking for ways that a card "could" have been improved) is flying.
My new dream play is: Cast Malakir Bloodwitch and then cast Champion of Dusk
Yeah...I mean we could get to 10 black mana in one turn with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx so a guy can dream