Quote from rogerandover »Nice to see some love for Erebos. He do have a lovely hat!
On a serious note, he's also very powerfull and the manasink can draw an immensely number of cards (if you have the life to pay). My build is a variation over of a Pox-deck, running zero creatures and a lot of enchantments. The link in my sig is totally outdated, but should give you a good idea of what im planning to do, if you should be interested in seeing my list.
Venser's Journal, although its kinda of a flavour fail, has been very good in my deck. Giving back precious life most importantly. Since im not running creatures Spreading Plague, Lethal Vapors and Tainted Aether have been all stars. Descent into Madness have actually also been pretty good, since most of the time my opponents will be hellbent and have to sac permanents, while I'll draw cards to discards instead.
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The deck originally started out with Pox and Death Cloud, but I took them out because I felt bad blowing up lands. I don't want to lock my opponents out of the game, I want them to have hope so I can crush their spirits later. This is also why I excluded Infernal Darkness, despite it being a very good card.
I'm not sure about Venser's Journal. It can definitely generate quite a bit of life to fuel Erebos, but I'm wary of running cards that solely gain life. It's one of the better life gain cards for this deck, but I'm just not sure it's worth the slot. Drain Life and Consume Spirit can double as creature or planeswalker removal and typically give an abundance of life and along with Tendrils of Corruption, Kokusho, the Evening Star, and Gray Merchant of Asphodel keeps me from getting too low.
Spreading Plague is in the list and boy howdy does it do a lot of work. My list is creature light as well, and my general is Indestructable, so even if I play a Crypt Ghast or something else after the fact it doesn't hurt me at all. Lethal Vapors is interesting. I played it a couple of times in Chainer as a proxy and typically what would happen was that the aggressive player would pop it and then lose after their skipped turn. I dunno, I could give it another shot, since on paper it is very strong. Tainted Æther could be great. I like it better than Lethal Vapors actually. As for Descent into Madness, I'm on the fence. "Despair counter" makes me a little giddy, but I'm trying to avoid stax elements. It is a really cool card, though. I might give it a shot over Ad Nauseam which sounds like blasphemy but I'm loaded to the gills with card draw.
In other news, Torment of Hailfire was spoiled today and lordy lordy am I excited to find a place for it in this deck. Cuts are very difficult at this point but I think there's some fat left to trim, but I might be too biased towards the current list to be objective about it.
Quote from rogerandover »It can certainly feel bad being a rescource-denial deck, and thats why i don't play the deck very often, even though its one of the first decks I did made (my third I think), and therefore have a special place in my dark heart I used to play a casual Pox deck and wanted to transform it into EDH.
Being creatureless limits my lifegain options. I did play Drain Life and Consume Spirit at some point, but I took them out because they felt too clunky and mana intensive to my taste. I wanted them to be good, but I never had the mana to remove the creature I wanted - it's cheaper to cast Barter in Blood to get rid of 4 creatures.
You're right about Lethal Vapors, someone will eventually bite the dust and loose a turn, but in my experience it can take some time before someone does in a multiplayer setting. People tend to be greedy. There's also a neat trick, playing Pithing Needle before dropping the Vapors.
I see you don't much gy-hate - It might be a metacall, but I see many decks which relies on their graveyard, so I packed quite a few solutions. Leyline of the Void is the classic, and i'm "testing" (even though I rarely play the deck) Suffer the Past and Crypt Incursion.
And about Torment of Hailfire - I'm definitely adding it to my deck. Very cool card!
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I do want to say that I admire your creatureless list. I'm old school, so I have a very real bias against creatures, but the creatures I'm running are just too good. Maybe Kokusho, the Evening Star could go since it's a generic goodstuff card but the life gain and aerial defense is rather powerful. It's a solid rattlesnake card, which this deck often needs due to how quickly it can get out of control.
True, Drain Life and Consume Spirit aren't the most efficient removal spells, but that's just a secondary bonus. The main reason they're in is as win conditions. The life gain is also very relevant given how aggressive I can be with my life total. Also, they're pet cards. The mental image of Erebos shooting out death lasers makes me smile.
Hm, good point about the lack of GY hate. Most of the time Bojuka Bog and other people's GY hate is satisfactory, but there are times where The Gitrog Monster or Karador, Ghost Chieftain start getting out of hand. Suffer the Past is probably the most on theme given the amount of X spells I run and is potentially a way to knock opponents out in the late game. The art is also great.
Quote from rogerandover »Glad you liked Lethal Vapors. It's one of my pet-cards. In multiplayer games, there's a lot of "I'm not going to be the one losing a turn", so people are likely to take their changes and hope someone else will pop it. I did mention Pithing Needle (which I think is a good card on its own in monoblack) to shut down the opportunity to even destroy Lethal Vapors, but that might to be too staxy for your taste aswell. Tainted Aether and Descent into Madness certainly is, which is why I love them. I don't really have a wincon (outside Erebos beatings or the occasionally Exsanguinate), so having something that just shuts others cold until they eventually fold is something I value pretty high.
Quote from JDviant »Have you tested with Magus of the Will at all? Being on a delay is why I've never played it, but it seems fairly popular.
Quote from rogerandover »I actually play Worst Fears, but I can get behind it being a good cut. It's crazy expensive to cast, and doesn't even guarantee something good in return. Again, I have less wincons, and this is something that makes people moan and wanna fold I also play Mindslaver, and I did play a 1v1 game once, where opponent, tapping out, dropped Iona, Shield of Emeria naming black, only for me to play the slaver get his turn and use his own Swords to Plowshares to kill Iona. That was epic!
Quote from elfric »i used bubbling muck to great effect like you discribed. often people count your mana to assume the next possible plays. having some rituals makes for some unexpected plays. also in erebos it kinda cycles for itself because you can sink it into erebos's draw.
Quote from GloriousGoose »Does anyone have any suggestions for removing Words of Waste and replacing it with another solid 3cmc card? I've been pretty dissatisfied with it and there is a never ending supply of graveyard based decks in just about any meta, so sometimes it ends up helping them. I've been leaning towards Underworld Dreams. It's on theme, great at enabling devotion, and punishes opponents for recklessly drawing cards. Also the art is great.
EDIT 2: By the way, Torment of Hailfire is really, really good here.
Quote from EonAon »I know your trying to keep the cmc of this deck down but have you considered dread if you liked no mercy as much as you seem to? Also it can recycle itself if you can tutor it or draw it again.
Quote from EonAon »You may want to consider Raven's Crime or consider playing it alongside. Since this is multi player edh repeatable effects are always good. That and there has to be a cutoff for how much land you need in play even considering the amount of swamp boosters you use. As a bonus its never exiled from the yard you can use it over and over even on sequential turns. Minus its not direct targeted which could be a issue.
Quote from EonAon »This may be very Very VERY stupid, but I could see you getting some mileage out of it. Panoptic Mirror. I thought I recalled a sorcery speed scepter effect from way back in the day. The biggest question is how much do you recurse from the GY without using it vs with it.
I mean it could solve using effects like muck and damnation over and over along with thoughtseize. Minus side it is only 1 card in the entire deck that does this effect.
As to what swamps, your link is broken but the one I like to use is the Alex Horley-Orlandelli land from M10. I personally feel like it gives off a very black feel. The Lars Grant-West land from shadowmoor isn't a bad one either.
Quote from EonAon »As to the color purple..... eh its not so much the color as to the content of the picture. I mean seriously with a decent amount of exceptions have disliked a lot of the land art since after shards of alara block. The two I named are the ones that scream out swampland to me more than most in the last 7 years. I do like the Chippy swamp in shards of alara quite a lot as well, it reminds me of a dead labyrinth with horrors awaiting to pop out and get you. All the Innistrad block swamp lands both times and especially the Jung Park land is really evocative as well of black.
I get what they are trying to do with land art in the recent sets but it really doesn't evoke what the cards named as lately when you consider the artwork. I mean currently Ixalan really floats my boat on all the other colors....but the swamps are so bad and look more like decaying jungles not actual swampland.
Kaladesh has a good one in Adam Paquette, but that's the only one that screams swamp at me.