I think the write up is officially done! If anyone thinks I am missing any information, please let me know and I will change it accordingly.
Now, let's see if we can get Primer status!
The only thing I would like to see is budget alternatives for the crazy expensive cards. (cards over $100), and maybe you might want to think about playing around non-basic land hate. Blood Moon wrecks us for the most part. Might be something to think about.
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I could probably do a budger alternative section. Is over $100 a good starting point, or should I drop it down to $50+?
The thing about Blood Moon/Back to Basics is we would need to add more basics and less non-basics, so then our mana base becomes worse. So we either have to hope they don't play those cards, or keep an answer up in case they do get played. Or, you know, win before they get the chance to play them.
You can keep most of the list intact with $100 budget, but with $50 you lose Bomberman. My list runs a little more bounce and 3 islands, since I dont have Imp Seal. So far I have not run into Blood Moon or Back to Basics.
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That makes sense. Having Bomberman still be an option seems like a must. And yeah, I haven't ran into either of those lately, in paper or online. You'd figure they would be a bit more prevalent now with four colors being a thing.
I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.
I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.
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That's awesome to hear! How did you end up winning the first two games then? Worldgorger Dragon?
I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.
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That's awesome to hear! How did you end up winning the first two games then? Worldgorger Dragon?
I just tutored the pieces for Dragon, the 2nd game I had to blow my Yawgmoth's Will early to bounce a Felidar Sovereign, but still managed to cast Breya and sac her for a stop point to dragon by turn 5.
I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.
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That's awesome to hear! How did you end up winning the first two games then? Worldgorger Dragon?
I just tutored the pieces for Dragon, the 2nd game I had to blow my Yawgmoth's Will early to bounce a Felidar Sovereign, but still managed to cast Breya and sac her for a stop point to dragon by turn 5.
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I definitely enjoy hearing other people's game stories.
We did it! We got primer status for the deck! I hope to continue to improve on the deck and get better with it myself in order to help those that wish to play this beautiful Doomsday Queen.
Haven't had much time to play lately, but when I do get to, I'm never disappointed with her.
This deck looks awesome. I've been thinking about building a finely tuned competitive EDH combo deck and right now I'm leaning towards this one. I've been comparing all of the various Doomsday/AN combo decks out there. What would you say are the biggest advantages to playing this Breya deck over something like Zur or Thrasios?
Also, for the deck itself, have you considered adding Gush and/or Chromatic Sphere to cantrip and help your Doomsday piles? I don't have much experience with Doomsday myself, but from what I've read, Gush enables some very mana-efficient piles with LED and Yawgmoth's Will. Chromatic Sphere/Star are less exciting but they help you cantrip into your DD pile while fixing your mana. And, they happen to form a little draw engine with Salvagers if you're really desperate!
Edit:
What do you think about these budget substitutes if I were to buy into this deck?
Mana Drain -> Counterspell
Pact of Negation -> Negate
Imperial Seal -> Dark Petition
Dark Confidant -> Gush
I haven't seen it anywhere, so why isn't Angel's Grace in the list or comments? It goes well with ad nauseam and if someone else happens to combo faster than we do, it keeps us alive for one more turn.
Can anyone explain how the infinite mana combo, activates Breya's ability unlimited times ? She needs two artifacts to activate and other than the two she brings in and anything that might be in play, she will run out very quickly.
Would love to play the deck, just can't see the WinCon with her ability and infinite mana. Am I missing something obvious here ?
Assuming you have infinite mana. (you must have infinite mana of all colors, but both bomberman combo and dragon combo can do that)
1. Cast Breya
2. Sac Breya and 1 thopter to Breya to do damage.
3. goto step 1, repeat.
...in other news OP, I am thinking of adding Angel's Grace like all the cool Zur kids do, its adds some interesting Ad Nauseam plays...
- allows you to survive going below 0 life with AN when going for LabMan
- allows you to have your entire deck in your hand with AN and then cast a Windfall for a table kill. (since you cant die this turn)
Sorry for the lack of posts/replies. I've been dealing with some things in my personal life that have been taking up all of my attention. So, let's get to some replies.
This deck looks awesome. I've been thinking about building a finely tuned competitive EDH combo deck and right now I'm leaning towards this one. I've been comparing all of the various Doomsday/AN combo decks out there. What would you say are the biggest advantages to playing this Breya deck over something like Zur or Thrasios?
Also, for the deck itself, have you considered adding Gush and/or Chromatic Sphere to cantrip and help your Doomsday piles? I don't have much experience with Doomsday myself, but from what I've read, Gush enables some very mana-efficient piles with LED and Yawgmoth's Will. Chromatic Sphere/Star are less exciting but they help you cantrip into your DD pile while fixing your mana. And, they happen to form a little draw engine with Salvagers if you're really desperate!
Edit:
What do you think about these budget substitutes if I were to buy into this deck?
Mana Drain -> Counterspell
Pact of Negation -> Negate
Imperial Seal -> Dark Petition
Dark Confidant -> Gush
I haven't seen it anywhere, so why isn't Angel's Grace in the list or comments? It goes well with ad nauseam and if someone else happens to combo faster than we do, it keeps us alive for one more turn.
You know, for some reason, that card never crossed my mind. It definitely should be included to help with the Ad Nauseam win.
Can anyone explain how the infinite mana combo, activates Breya's ability unlimited times ? She needs two artifacts to activate and other than the two she brings in and anything that might be in play, she will run out very quickly.
Would love to play the deck, just can't see the WinCon with her ability and infinite mana. Am I missing something obvious here ?
trancer99 explained it well. You make the infinite colored mana and also sac Breya as part of her damage effect in order to continually recast her and activate her damage ability for the win. I'll have to go through the OP sometime and make sure I explain it better.
Can anyone explain how the infinite mana combo, activates Breya's ability unlimited times ? She needs two artifacts to activate and other than the two she brings in and anything that might be in play, she will run out very quickly.
Would love to play the deck, just can't see the WinCon with her ability and infinite mana. Am I missing something obvious here ?
Assuming you have infinite mana. (you must have infinite mana of all colors, but both bomberman combo and dragon combo can do that)
1. Cast Breya
2. Sac Breya and 1 thopter to Breya to do damage.
3. goto step 1, repeat.
...in other news OP, I am thinking of adding Angel's Grace like all the cool Zur kids do, its adds some interesting Ad Nauseam plays...
- allows you to survive going below 0 life with AN when going for LabMan
- allows you to have your entire deck in your hand with AN and then cast a Windfall for a table kill. (since you cant die this turn)
It seems cute enough to play.
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Thank you for explaining that. I thought it was clear how to win in the OP, but maybe it's not clear enough?
Yes, that is my deck, and yes I am trying to sell it.
My reasons are simple: I don't play enough locally, and even less so competitively to justify having multiple expensive decks. Breya is my most competitive, and holds a smaller part in my heart than Daretti, so I chose to try and part with this instead of the other.
That doesn't mean I won't maintain this list for the time being; I play this also on MTGO where I can play it more often, so I will continue to update and maintain this Primer for as long as I play it on MTGO.
I'm going to test cutting Night's Whisper and Thirst for knowledge for Angel's Grace and Gush. Both have been underwhelming in my opinion when I had them, and Gush is a "free" draw spell. If this doesn't work. I'll tell you how miserable it ends up being.
I'm going to test cutting Night's Whisper and Thirst for knowledge for Angel's Grace and Gush. Both have been underwhelming in my opinion when I had them, and Gush is a "free" draw spell. If this doesn't work. I'll tell you how miserable it ends up being.
Nights Whisper is mostly for DD piles when you are lacking enough blue, but have black, so if your manabase is working well, you really don't need it.
I'm going to test cutting Night's Whisper and Thirst for knowledge for Angel's Grace and Gush. Both have been underwhelming in my opinion when I had them, and Gush is a "free" draw spell. If this doesn't work. I'll tell you how miserable it ends up being.
Definitely let us know. Personally, I'd really hate to get rid of something that goes into a Doomsday pile, but it could end up working out for you.
We run quite a few low-cost mana rocks, and we also sport a pretty low 1.80 average converted mana cost in our deck, so all of our spells are relatively cheap to cast.
Update:
I actually ended up cutting cabal ritual for Angel's grace. I'm not too sure if this is a mistake or not. I like paying 2 to get 5, but most of the time I don't have threshold. I have only tested ag (haven't cast it a single time yet) because my gush hasn't come in yet.
I'm going to switch cabal ritual back in for night's whisper.
My list is exactly the list in the deck list in op with the exception of angel's grace over night's whisper now.
From my playing, I like tainted pact and pull from eternity because they act as 2 tutors when pfe is in hand. Pact past piece 1, take piece 2, pull piece 1 back into yard. Recursion isn't hard to find in this deck, so I feel like these should be kept. Also, tainted pact with lab man means "oh look my deck disappeared I guess I win."
Note: my local meta has 0 competitive decks, so my experience is probably not going to help much for those who are in competitive metas.
Due to my lack of time to play, and the lack of real competitive players, this deck is going to be taking a hiatus in paper as well as online. I'm working on another version of Breya that is more casual, but still can put up results. I'm looking for more longer games than quick ones. I will still maintain this thread to help answer any questions anyone may happen to have.
This deck is the one deck I play that no one wants to play against. I love it so much (85% foiled) but I'm starting to think it's just a mistake. You've made a beautiful monstrosity here!
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This deck is the one deck I play that no one wants to play against. I love it so much (85% foiled) but I'm starting to think it's just a mistake. You've made a beautiful monstrosity here!
Well I really appreciate you saying that. It definitely was a monstrosity, and because of that I ended up taking the deck apart. It was way too powerful for my group and it made games less fun. Still trying to figure out how I want to build her now.
This deck is the one deck I play that no one wants to play against. I love it so much (85% foiled) but I'm starting to think it's just a mistake. You've made a beautiful monstrosity here!
Well I really appreciate you saying that. It definitely was a monstrosity, and because of that I ended up taking the deck apart. It was way too powerful for my group and it made games less fun. Still trying to figure out how I want to build her now.
I'm dealing with the same issue, problem being that I foiled it as I bought the pieces so the deck is now roughly 85% foil. =/
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This deck is the one deck I play that no one wants to play against. I love it so much (85% foiled) but I'm starting to think it's just a mistake. You've made a beautiful monstrosity here!
Well I really appreciate you saying that. It definitely was a monstrosity, and because of that I ended up taking the deck apart. It was way too powerful for my group and it made games less fun. Still trying to figure out how I want to build her now.
I'm dealing with the same issue, problem being that I foiled it as I bought the pieces so the deck is now roughly 85% foil. =/
I already have a fully foiled/altered Daretti deck (I used to have a fully foiled Omrath as well), so I opted to not go for the foiling on this one, although some of the cards I did have in the deck were foiled.
That makes sense. Having Bomberman still be an option seems like a must. And yeah, I haven't ran into either of those lately, in paper or online. You'd figure they would be a bit more prevalent now with four colors being a thing.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
That's awesome to hear! How did you end up winning the first two games then? Worldgorger Dragon?
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
I just tutored the pieces for Dragon, the 2nd game I had to blow my Yawgmoth's Will early to bounce a Felidar Sovereign, but still managed to cast Breya and sac her for a stop point to dragon by turn 5.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
I definitely enjoy hearing other people's game stories.
I played a game online against Animar, Athreos, and Thrasios/Smasher. I'm slow-rolling them for about four turns or so with Mystic Remora. I cast Breya, and end of opponent's turn before mine, I Enlightened Tutor for Mana Crypt. My turn I cast Crypt, Merchant Scroll for Pact of Negation, then cast Buried Alive followed by Necromancy for the win.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
We did it! We got primer status for the deck! I hope to continue to improve on the deck and get better with it myself in order to help those that wish to play this beautiful Doomsday Queen.
Haven't had much time to play lately, but when I do get to, I'm never disappointed with her.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Also, for the deck itself, have you considered adding Gush and/or Chromatic Sphere to cantrip and help your Doomsday piles? I don't have much experience with Doomsday myself, but from what I've read, Gush enables some very mana-efficient piles with LED and Yawgmoth's Will. Chromatic Sphere/Star are less exciting but they help you cantrip into your DD pile while fixing your mana. And, they happen to form a little draw engine with Salvagers if you're really desperate!
Edit:
What do you think about these budget substitutes if I were to buy into this deck?
Mana Drain -> Counterspell
Pact of Negation -> Negate
Imperial Seal -> Dark Petition
Dark Confidant -> Gush
Assuming you have infinite mana. (you must have infinite mana of all colors, but both bomberman combo and dragon combo can do that)
1. Cast Breya
2. Sac Breya and 1 thopter to Breya to do damage.
3. goto step 1, repeat.
...in other news OP, I am thinking of adding Angel's Grace like all the cool Zur kids do, its adds some interesting Ad Nauseam plays...
- allows you to survive going below 0 life with AN when going for LabMan
- allows you to have your entire deck in your hand with AN and then cast a Windfall for a table kill. (since you cant die this turn)
It seems cute enough to play.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
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Red gives us a little more card draw in Wheel of Fortune, Faithless Looting, etc. It also gives us access to another win condition in Worldgorger Dragon.
I've never played Zur or Thrasios, so I'm not sure of any reason why Breya would be better, other than more efficient mana bases perhaps?
Gush would definitely be a good addition, as free card could help with the LabMan kill.
Those are all fine replacements as well.
You know, for some reason, that card never crossed my mind. It definitely should be included to help with the Ad Nauseam win.
trancer99 explained it well. You make the infinite colored mana and also sac Breya as part of her damage effect in order to continually recast her and activate her damage ability for the win. I'll have to go through the OP sometime and make sure I explain it better.
Thank you for explaining that. I thought it was clear how to win in the OP, but maybe it's not clear enough?
What did you end up cutting for Angel's Grace? Heavily considering adding that and Gush. Perhaps Pull from Eternity and Tainted Pact?
Yes, that is my deck, and yes I am trying to sell it.
My reasons are simple: I don't play enough locally, and even less so competitively to justify having multiple expensive decks. Breya is my most competitive, and holds a smaller part in my heart than Daretti, so I chose to try and part with this instead of the other.
That doesn't mean I won't maintain this list for the time being; I play this also on MTGO where I can play it more often, so I will continue to update and maintain this Primer for as long as I play it on MTGO.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
I cut Red Blast, but kept Pyroblast. (mostly because I did not have a black border Red Blast, but either is fine, they are the same)
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Nights Whisper is mostly for DD piles when you are lacking enough blue, but have black, so if your manabase is working well, you really don't need it.
Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
I haven't had time to update or test, but I feel like Tainted Pact/Pull from Eternity would be the safest cuts for my list.
Definitely let us know. Personally, I'd really hate to get rid of something that goes into a Doomsday pile, but it could end up working out for you.
We run quite a few low-cost mana rocks, and we also sport a pretty low 1.80 average converted mana cost in our deck, so all of our spells are relatively cheap to cast.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
I actually ended up cutting cabal ritual for Angel's grace. I'm not too sure if this is a mistake or not. I like paying 2 to get 5, but most of the time I don't have threshold. I have only tested ag (haven't cast it a single time yet) because my gush hasn't come in yet.
I'm going to switch cabal ritual back in for night's whisper.
My list is exactly the list in the deck list in op with the exception of angel's grace over night's whisper now.
From my playing, I like tainted pact and pull from eternity because they act as 2 tutors when pfe is in hand. Pact past piece 1, take piece 2, pull piece 1 back into yard. Recursion isn't hard to find in this deck, so I feel like these should be kept. Also, tainted pact with lab man means "oh look my deck disappeared I guess I win."
Note: my local meta has 0 competitive decks, so my experience is probably not going to help much for those who are in competitive metas.
Due to my lack of time to play, and the lack of real competitive players, this deck is going to be taking a hiatus in paper as well as online. I'm working on another version of Breya that is more casual, but still can put up results. I'm looking for more longer games than quick ones. I will still maintain this thread to help answer any questions anyone may happen to have.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
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Well I really appreciate you saying that. It definitely was a monstrosity, and because of that I ended up taking the deck apart. It was way too powerful for my group and it made games less fun. Still trying to figure out how I want to build her now.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya
I'm dealing with the same issue, problem being that I foiled it as I bought the pieces so the deck is now roughly 85% foil. =/
GBRJundGBR
URWJeskai NahiriURW
My Legacy Deck:
URBGrixis DelverURB
My EDH Decks:
GJarad, Golgari Lich LordB
GRhys, The RedeemedW
RWArchangel AvacynRW
UWDragonlord OjutaiUW
I already have a fully foiled/altered Daretti deck (I used to have a fully foiled Omrath as well), so I opted to not go for the foiling on this one, although some of the cards I did have in the deck were foiled.
[EDH Non-Primers] Newzuri | Breya